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You'd think it's common sense...

Yeah, I can't imagine taking a 9000lb, 7 ft wide Canyonero-wannabe EV on a narrow Rocky Mountain trail...

GTU(nder-sized) ~

i bet you would have liked an Ipad slapped over the top of that nice linear dash...... odd coincidence, I'm not sure if this is the same "K-Pop" but last night for the first time i opened up a bottle of Korean K-Pop sauce and made some grilled chicken with it. was really good.

This man from Brazil obviously does not know his political geography too well. I don't know if I'd call him fat, but he's definitely dumb and happy. I had neither the money nor the time to buy a complicated ship model when I was an early teen. However, I did build some less expensive models of 747s I had bought.

Good grief man. It's also not a FULL SIZE pick up. It is far closer to a Ranger size than an F-150. Now show me ONE current mid-size truck with an 8 ft bed. Then, you have a legitimate gripe. Don't bother David. It doesn't need to have an 8 ft bed to begin with for the reasons I mentioned above. Just a dumb argument at this point IMO.

So; no 8-ft bed or even 6.5-ft bed test mule pics. Same thing I found when searching. 'One has to wonder what's behind the claim that they're testing longer / long bed versions, and that it actually IS "easier" to stretch the chassis than it is for a IC vehicle... I mean; what do those making such claims have to GGAAIINNNNnnn n nnnn n nn ... . . . .. . a-are they beholden to protecting -ahem- the stock price for investors?' One wonders, one does.

The only thing I saw was the 'extended cab' mule version; the bed is only a little longer because they took the space out of the cab- it appears to be the same wheelbase. That would make it a circa 5.5' bed, not 8'. It's interesting how we seem to be moving into a 'don't ask questions or raise doubts' scenario WRT battery electrics; just... accept.

Rivian does have their commercial van for Amazon and other delivery services. https://rivian.com/fleet

I think it's a safe measure to say almost all homes are "old", built prior to 2020 or whenever these 220v garage requirements become standard. This was more getting to the point I mentioned yesterday in that public charging completely negates any fuel savings you'd have buying an EV. If you don't have a charger at home, you're not saving anything. There's only real potential for savings if you're charging at home. Which, that would be 99% of my charging. I'd only consider an EV if I can charge it at home for cheap.

It would look less stupid with an extra 6 inches or so of roof...the amateur customizers that make these shortened cars always seem to take so much out that the side window opening looks waaaay too small.

Neat model ship photograph, next to a real ships lantern.

For Dfelt...

I love a straight blade shave. We cleaned Campus this morning of snow with about a quarter of our crew, Covid and Orthodox Christmas have a bunch of folks off.

First snow of the winter here that is more than a dusting...cold, 16F this morning, a couple inches of snow on the ground, more coming...the commute from the kitchen to my home office wasn't bad, though.

My wife cuts the little hair I have left. Yaah...with a Wahl clipper as well. No hot shaving cream either. One word. Lacordaire. And yeah...the barbershop was between Lacordaire and Langelier. LOL. You most definitely passed by it if you say "and beyond". "Too Guido!" LOL There is like 20 boroughs within the city of Montreal... I forget what legal entities that entails though since I dont live on the Island anymore. Sometime in the 2000s, these 20 boroughs merged with the city of Montreal. Before, these boroughs were separate cities withith the city of Montreal on the Island of Montreal. I dont remember how the civil responsibilities are administered since the merger. Responsibilities such as snow removal and garbage collection and the like.

I know Saint-Leonard, way out Jean-Talon toward La Cordaire and beyond! I go out that way to get pastries when I'm in your great city and area. Saint-Leonard is definitely Italian while Petite Italie proper no longer is ... far from it. I'm guessing borough means that it has its own neighborhood identity, but is still within the city of Montreal proper. This barber finished up and he had combed the top straight back. I told him that I have wear it slightly messed up, with no part, and that that looked too Guido, which kind of took him aback, but he said okay and fixed it. Exactly ... the hot shaving cream and blade for sideburns and the neck clean up. I definitely never got that at Great Clips.

^ re: barbers—I was a regular Great Clips customer for years, across 3 states. But for the last 2 years, I’ve been DIY with my Wahl clippers, 2-3 times a year. Bzzzt

Once upon a time ago, when I had hair and was a young adult, I too, got my haircuts from a family business that happened to be a bunch of older, crusty but funny Italian guys. Right in the middle of Saint Leonard. On Jean-Talon street. A borough of Montreal on the island. Saint Leonard in the '70s was Montreal's Italian mafia headquarters. Never occurred to me then, that these guys might have clipped some mafiosos back in the day. And yes, I do mean clipped with a double entendre.... But I do miss the hot shaving cream and straight blade when they shaved my neck hairs and that cologne they would dab on me after.

150k miles at 20mpg average at $3.25 a gallon is $24,375 or 16.25 cents per mile to fuel. Very roughly, a Tesla can travel at 0.25 kW per mile. (98 kw battery / 405 mile range). My peak electric rate is 14c/kWH and my off peak is 7c/kWH. 150,000 miles would take 37,693 KW, meaning my cost to fuel could be as much as $5,276 or as little as $2,638. I don’t know the full specs of the EValanche but the numbers probably run similar. But if it’s a $10k spread like you said @balthazar, the EValanche or Lightning would start to pay back after about 75k miles if you’re only talking fueling. Throw in savings from 10 $75 oil changes, and 2 sets of brakes, and it’ll happen even faster. EVs as trucks make way more financial sense than EVs as cars.

Wrangler is not competing for the same buyers as pickups, tho, is it.

sorry, this is all i had time for ?

While I have not found the stories again, I do now that somewhere in the Rivian threads I had posted what was in the Bloomberg / WallStreet / CNN interviews where RJ the CEO said they are exploring alternative bed lengths to add down the road due to the flexible nature of their Skateboard platform. All one has to do is look at the Fleet section where you have your choice of 500 / 700 / 900 cubic feet vans on the same platform and see how much bigger they are and the fact that you can get them in FWD or AWD format for delivery services. AWD is focused on the Northern States where ice and snow make delivery more challenging. As such, I see them around Seattle all the time since this is the HQ market. Even in the testing in California where they have been caught with an R1T which you can clearly see is much shorter than the Van. So, 6- and 8-foot trucks are possible, and I tend to believe since the photo slipped of the king cab or extended cab version, that they would also have other formats.

Except it is not and I am not just talking about size and powertrain, when you consider what you get with each. Honestly, the little SMK routine is tiring so unless you have some info. on a mid-size puck up with an 8 ft bed (your "original" gripe), I'm done with it.

As has been stated the same platform has been used for extended length Amazon Prime Delivery vans which proves they can easily build them longer no problem. Then on top of this, this story with leaked picture of a extended length truck got the CEO to say in other interviews they do have longer bed lengths being tested. Did Rivian Accidentally Leak An Extended Cab Version Of The R1T Truck? (insideevs.com) This of course led to these images.

@surreal1272 @Robert Hall Here are the specs of Unimog versus Hummer EV Truck. Unimog U 4023/U 5023: Technical data - Mercedes-Benz Trucks - Trucks you can trust (mercedes-benz-trucks.com) 6 to 13 tones of weight depending on which model and configuration. Wheelbase = 3,850 mm = 235-inch Body spec = 4,100 x 2,280 x 1,400 mm = 161.4 x 139.1 x 55.1 inches Length x Width x Height Turning Radius = 16.4 meters = 54 feet Ground Clearance = 10 to 20 inches depending on tire size. Approach Angle = 41 to 46 degrees depending on model Departure Angle = 39 to 50 degrees depending on model Breakover Angle = none stated Introducing the GMC HUMMER EVs | Electric Truck & SUV Truck & SUV Weight = 9,046 lbs or Wheelbase = 135.6 or 126.7 inches Height = 79.1 or 77.8 inches Width = 73.3 inches for both Length = 216.8 or 206.7 inches Turning Radius = 37 or 35 feet for 4-wheel steering / 44 or 45 feet for 2-wheel steering Truck Ground Clearance = 11.9" to 15.9" SUV Ground Clearance = 12" to 16" Truck Approach Angle = 44 to 50 degrees Truck Departure Angle = 33 to 39 degrees Truck Breakover Angle = 25 to 32 degrees SUV Approach Angle = 44 to 50 degrees SUV Departure Angle = 41 to 50 degrees SUV Breakover Angle = 27 to 35 degrees Overall, I think the Hummer is a very capable off-road EV due to the hydraulic suspension system.

Yeah, who knows what's going on..if Rivian is developing other bed length versions they are keeping it internal and quiet for now...

I think his point is there isn't anything that comes up when you search for that. I googled it and came up with zero spy shots or articles on it other than Insideevs.com saying they should make one.

True... about the only off-roading I did in the summers was to drive up to Pinetop, Jerome, or Flag and take some back country gravel and dirt trails. Though I did a lot of summer drives across the void on the 10 or the 8 to the OC or San Diego to visit beaches... As far as the desert in the summer, I had one insane runner co-worker that used to go out at noon for running in triple digit weather.

Where /how did they “prove” this? Any pics of the 8-ft bed mules?

The Hummer EV is awfully long and wide, though...maybe more suited for wide-open desert trails.

It will be interesting to see what the EV truck market looks like in 5 years.

Rivian has proven that the skateboard chassis is actually easier to extend as they have their 8ft test mules out now. I expect this is more of a keep thing close to the vest. GM having stated they will have an HD EV line while ford has stated no plans for Super Duty EVs (Ford: No plans for all-electric Super Duty trucks (freep.com)) and yet has proven in their EV truck that it can pull more than Diesel with the Million pounds tow of the train and trucks. I fully expect since GM has shown they can scale up and down the Ultium platform for various auto size needs that 6- and 8-foot trucks are in our future. As Mary Barra has stated, HD Trucks will be out before 2035, yes long ways away, but does give them time to perfect their Ultium Platform.

That would suck...I spend a lot of time at the national park, state parks, beaches, etc in nice weather..don't see the coal-roller diesel shit around thankfully.

Mini Nomad proporations as a phantom wagon would be killer.

So one state and only since 2015, that's SUCH a small percentage of homes. Federal and state rebates means we're still the ones paying for it.

I think that all depends what demand looks like. If they can make a business case for a single cab, 8' bed, they'll make one. If there's resistance in the commercial market towards EVs, they may hold off longer yet.

Of course one does, even if it specifically states the circumstances. In other words; doubt every claim anyone makes.... unless it aligns with your preferences. Got it.

Yet... they sell. 6.5' beds are workable, but on the edge. That final foot off (5.5') is not made for a LOT of commercial work. Why a pickup should 'be fine' with smaller & smaller beds, when commercial vehicles include vans that are large and go up from there, makes little sense to me; more room for more materials & equipment is moving forward, not less. RE the Midgate extending the bed to 8-ft; that's fine for homeowners / occasional use. It's far less than ideal for contractors / commercial work, who seldom have the rear seat totally empty to enable spontaneous Midgate-dropping. If you're picking up a dozen sheets of plywood for a job... where are your tools going to be for installation of such? I understand & accept that most pickup are not used commercially, and the 5.5' bed is the majority (I take note on the road)... what I'm advocating for is the same level of choice going forward- independent cab/beds with a multitude of configurations to cater to the steady customer base. One single crew cab / short box isn't going to do that. When will we see the 'mainline' Silverado EV multi-series / multi-configuration reveal??

Looks like one of those customized Clown Cars.

Wife bought the hair cutting kit from Costco 20 years ago as she hated the local barbers and hair saloon on how they would cut my hair after I told them what I want. She has done this now since then and a few kits we have gone through from Costco for cutting hair. I now have a couple of water jugs filled with quarters as every time, once every 5 to 6 weeks, I then put a roll of quarters in the jug for the haircut. Our Bali travel fund once we get through this Pandemic. Was supposed to be last December for our 30th wedding anniversary, but Covid stopped that, so we will go once we are comfortable with travel. I love my close commute for haircuts, work and having lunch with the wife. A nice walk from the office to the kitchen or garage depending on what is going on.

Just interesting information. https://news.yahoo.com/really-costs-more-charging-ev-153301789.html "Electric vehicles and gas cars have always come with a tradeoff. Fully electric vehicles are more expensive to buy, but they’re cheaper to own because they’re cheaper to fuel and maintain — and they produce zero emissions. Traditional cars cost less up front, but you pay more in the long run thanks to the high cost of dirty gas. That dynamic is still widely accepted as true, but compelling new evidence reveals a disconnect between the metrics used to analyze fuel costs and the realities that EV drivers face on the ground. So, are EVs really cheaper to power than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles? Well, that depends on the yardstick you use when measuring. It’s Cheaper To Charge Than To Pump In 2020, the Department of Energy (DOE) released a study that was more comprehensive than those that had come before. Using a state-level assessment of EV charging costs, the study’s results were much more granular than what came out of previous studies, which assumed a singular value. It found that the national average to charge an EV is $0.15 per kWh, which DOE determined translated into savings of as much as $14,500 over 15 years on fuel costs alone. On top of that, EVs are cheaper to maintain — $0.04 cheaper per mile, according to the DOE — which adds another $8,000 in savings for EV drivers over the course of 200,000 miles. The jury had returned a verdict. Yes, EVs cost more to buy, but they paid their owners back for the difference and then some over the life of the car — plus the whole zero-emissions thing — and that’s not even counting state and federal tax credits and other incentives. But a different study was about to get even more granular. Study Reveals Different Findings On Oct. 21, 2021, the Anderson Economic Group — a respected economic consulting firm with decades of auto industry experience — released the results of its own study, which was six months in the making. It was the first installation in a larger economic research series that is still being conducted. Anderson parsed the costs of EV charging much more finely, going beyond just a state-by-state breakdown to examine rural/urban variations. The new methodology also separated vehicles by segment, use and cost. Titled “Comparison: Real World Cost of Fueling EVs and ICE Vehicles,” the report’s startling results were summarized in its official synopsis: “Electric vehicles can be more expensive to fuel than their internal combustion engine counterparts.” There’s More to It Than Just Gas and Electricity DOE says that the average cost of electricity for an EV is $0.04 per mile, which means it costs $9 to fully charge a battery with a 200-mile range. By comparison, it costs between $0.07 and $0.10 per mile to fuel a gas car, according to AAA. The Anderson study, however, challenged the presumption that EVs are cheaper to drive — or even cheaper to fuel. It found that powering EVs comes with four hidden costs: the purchase of a home charger, the greatly inflated price of commercial charging at public stations, “deadhead miles” spent driving to find far-flung charging stations and registration taxes that states slap on EV drivers to make up for the fact that they don’t pay gas taxes. The study also factored in the cost of time spent searching for reliable charging stations, which — even when located — can take a half-hour for a charge of 20% to 80%. Traditional research — like the industry standard provided by DOE — doesn’t take any of that into account. It also presumes a heavily lopsided reliance on cheap, at-home charging instead of expensive commercial charging. Again, the new research is just the first installment in a larger series, but its results are undeniably head-turning. The study found that: Commercial charging rates are two to four times higher than residential rates. Level 1 chargers cost an average of $600 to install and can take 20 hours to fully charge an EV. Level 2 chargers are much faster but cost $1,600. “Full charge” is a misleading term because charging past 90% is slow, difficult and unadvised, which means you get far fewer miles than the advertised ranges would have you believe. Gas vehicles, on the other hand, are good for 300-400 miles per tank. Considering all of those factors, and presuming a greater reliance on commercial charging, it would cost $8.58 to fuel a mid-priced gas car that gets 33 mpg for 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon. Comparatively, a mid-priced EV — Tesla Model 3, Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt — would cost $12.95 per 100 miles. Annually, presuming 12,000 miles driven, it would cost $1,030 to drive a gas car versus $1,554 for an EV."

I heard the church bells ringing late last night...about a 1/2 dozen Orthodox churches within 5 miles of me.

The Hummer EV sounds like it's pretty capable off road, though it's massive size and weight would be a hindrance, IMO.

Are you sure about that? Now, I'm not saying that the Tahoe Z71 is a "Jeep killer" but apparently it's also not slouch off road. One quote from it, "As the Tahoe slowly made its way past the first obstacles, I learned to trust in the 34.9-degree approach angle that comes as a result of the Z71's trim-specific front bumper, realizing the machine could climb higher step-ups than I'd ever imagined. (For context, the most capable Ford Bronco Sport has a 30.4-dgree approach angle, and a Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro comes in at 33.0 degrees.)" https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/chevrolet-tahoe-z71-road-trip-review/ Oh and why has no one mentioned the fact that the Hummer EV/SUV is coming out as well. Is SMK going to tell me that it is not an off road SUV?

Looks like more snow coming! Winter is finally here……

No, you’ll spend the $1500 to get a charger installed at home because of the convenience of it and you’ll plug it in each night.

Still a HUGE gulf in costs to purchase the same truck as a BE.

The LED screen is not curved...