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MISCONCEPTIONS GALORE.... Carl Benz...SOLD (one aspect of the misconception part) the first INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE (the second aspect) car. https://www.daimler.com/company/tradition/company-history/1885-1886.html There were MANY MANY other "automobiles" that were running around in Europe and in the United States of America waaaaay before 1886. Those automobiles were powered by STEAM engines and ELECTRIC motors... The first GASOLINE powered automobile was sold by Benz... Not that Benz INVENTED the automobile... 2 different things entirely...

Tech-Mogul companies in California want to act as if touch screens and multi-display screens and computers were invented in the late 1990s and early 2000s... Yet Detroit saw this future way back in the mid 1980s... And although Steve Jobs and other tech gurus were one of the reasons for this in the 1980s and 'twas these guys that started this technological revolution and they decided upon Silicon Valley to start their headquarters to spear what we got now in 2017... Many dont realize that Detroit...even as battered that it was in the 1980s and even more so now...its still a city that has had 100 years of innovation...and that was 100 years in the 1980s...we are now in 2017...we could add another 30 years to that number... Silicon Valley has a long ways to go... What does that have to do with Thor? Production. Automobile production. Mass production of said automobile. Good luck to you...you are gonna need it!!!

Thanx for the additional information. I usually do read a link and I especially read a link before commenting. In this case though, semi-trucks are not usually of my interest so I went ahead and assumed some stuff and commented anyway. Los Angeles...Silicon Valley. NoCal and SoCal. OK...I see where I erred and it bit me in the butt. I read it quickly and glanced ove the Los Angeles part. But would I be wrong in assuming that even SoCal entities are living very much in a dream world as compared to the rest of the planet? I mean...Los Angeles is nick-named LA LA Land. Holyweird (especially now when the bloody place is imploding with all that #metoo stuff going on...) is in LA LA Land... This is why I glanced over the L.A. part and just painted the people of California with the same brush. OK...what I just wrote is another pile of dog poo....but is it really? Thor... Norse God of thunder and lightning. So I get why the name. Thor... This paragraph did not sit well with me. 1. Mentioning Ford and GM... Ford and GM have not made class 8 trucks in several decades....if ever... I know GM made military trucks that might or could be classified as class 8 trucks...but I dont think GM is in that game anymore. So why even mention Ford or GM? To announce their superiority over Detroit? THAT is why I mentioned Silicon Valley viewing Detroit as dinosaurs... Yet Detroit was, is and continues to be AMERICAS HUB for mass production. Detroit was the home for the first mass produced automobiles and Detroit continues to be the forefront of mass production technology in the US... GM and Ford DO have the money, technology, know-how and FACILITIES to BETTER mass produce shyte...on time, on schedule, with minimal quality issues that if any, could and would be corrected IMMEDIATELY to offer the WORLD a very competent product. Ford and GM have the skills and manpower to do it. NO....NO START-UP COULD challenge GM or Ford in THAT regard... The other part of that paragraph that made me cringe is the tech-mogul stuff Other than Tesla...and they are in production hell....and EVEN THEY GOT HELP FROM DETROIT TO HELP THEM GET STARTED IN MASS PRODUCTION with the Model S...there is NO OTHER TECH-MOGUL company that PRODUCES AUTOMOBILES... Tech-Mogul companies in California....mass produce little electronic gimmick devices...in CHINA... GM and Ford...have produced radios and dash board electronics for their cars a longer period of time than before there was a Silicon Valley in the first place. And sure...DELCO was a company that GM bought to produce these radios for them...it goes to show you how arrogant California based companies could be regarding how much tech Detroit really has under its belt... And so...this rant has NOTHING to do with Tesla or Thor.... It just shows you how I feel about certain EV start-ups that are based in California... Faraday Future...also based in Los Angeles...they arent doing so hot as of now either... So...like I said... Tesla...at least has more or less SUCCESSFULLY designed , produced and sold 3 models albeit with a few teething problems in the beginning but now those hiccups are more or less resolved. Roadster, Model S and Model X They are now on their 4rth with the Model 3...yes. Production hell. Tesla probably will find a solution for that. If not....they wont see the light of day to get the semi-truck on line... Thor.... Its a wait and see moment for me. Kinda like Faraday and its...um...future.

Sure. But there will come a time when Tesla will figure it out. Perhaps never...but if they never figure it out, that will spell the end of their existence. If the Model 3 never comes out of production hell, then Tesla goes will cease to exist ending their bid for semi-trucks in the process as well...and Pepsi and Wallmart could kiss their deposits good-bye...because I have a feeling, Tesla will NOT refund those. Those deposits that were made for the trucks were to line Tesla's coffers so they could continue to burn through billions of dollars... Thor...whose to say that they wont see production hell as well? Thor is based in California? Silicon Valley? Yeah...as if Silicon Valley idiots know about mass production of goods. They shun Detroit because they see Detroit as dinosaurs and the electronic toys they do create, well, their facilities to produce are in China....slave labour... So...I dont have much faith in Thor either.

Function over form and I fully understand that...but I find both Tesla and Thor trucks very ugly. So...Im not a fan for either truck regarding looks. Im not a trucker, so I dont know what is more better, comfortable, useful for them. Side by side seating versus center seat central with 2 rear seats after that. Ill go with function over form with that as well and listen to a trucker or two for their input as to what they prefer on that issue. Regarding the performance specs. Ill just wait and see when indeed the real trucks come out and are tested in reality to form an opinion on that. And on that bombshell...Ill answer the question that was asked. Which company will produce and be ready to deliver first? Thor is a brand new company? Another start up? At least Tesla HAS mass produced some models so far even though the Model 3 is still stuck in hell. I think Im gonna sit this one out coach...I have no answer. The odds...could go either way...

The logo... Looks like a pissed off version of Tesla's logo. A Tesla logo that uses the Dark side of the force.

Yikes... That generation of Bimmers has GOT to be the nicest...its when they had their A-game in style and in mojo. I dont wanna know what generation of Bimmers you find nice as I probably would want to puke as soon as you reveal to me what those are. I could handle a couple of 1980s Bimmers. There are plenty from the 1990s that I like. But Bimmers from the 1970s and Bimmers from 2000s-2017....NO THANK-YOU!!! (M6 Grand Sport has got to be the sole exemption) (maybe another model that Im certainly forgetting...ah yes...the 1M of a couple of years back and the M2 that followed it)

I literally can do anything...Im GOD! Bitterness is sweet!

I want Camaro to continue being what it is. A V8 muscle (pony) car. Yeah yeah...a Camaro is nowhere near being the classic muscle car it once was as now its a world class 2+2 sports car handling twisties and accelerating like mad and being basically a world class performer. Its still a big V8 brute though... With that being said, how the Camaro evolved into this new persona since its resurrection is how it should re-define itself moving forward into the future by also being a Tesla roadster fighter...with both convertible and coupe EV offerings. Eventually the V8 will be gone... Im not saying this transformation (pun intended: Bumblebee robot transformer and electrical transformer...) Im not saying this transformation should be done tomorrow...but sometime in the next decade. In the meantime, hybridization should be introduced shortly.

One of the few Bimmers I love. I really really love this car!!! But...under the hood of a Chevy SS lies an LS engine. One of my favorites of V8 engines during these modern times....No need to do an LS swap on it as it already adorns one... Unlike what these poor bastards did to their E39 Bimmers... Plus I get magnetic shocks and stuff with a very nice luxurious interior worthy of a high end Bimmer anyway with the Chevy SS... So...If Im to choose, Id choose the Chevy SS. Or...maybe Id do a Pontiac G8 Firehawk instead.

I just realized I did the same thing... X...J220 If a Camaro does indeed get an inline 6 sometime in the future... IF is all Im saying.... What a strange turn of events it would be... I think there is more of a chance it get the Bolt battery technology and powetrain, but that would be for another conversation elsewhere in this website...

Whoa! The ATS is EXACTLY what enthusiasts were asking for from a performance "entry level" luxury compact car. It would be the first of its kind to actually give a BMW 3 Series run for its money. Mercedes all through the 1980s, all through the 1990s, all through the 2000s tried and failed BIG TIME and decided to quit on that formula. Cadillac FINALLY got it right! Problem is: 1. That type of car is no longer in vogue. CUVs from lux brands are what is in vogue. 2. That type of car was needed for Cadillac in the 1990s. After 2010, many wanting to return to Cadillac seem to want Cadillac to go back to their own true roots. Cadillac seems to not only miss the boat in 1990 in ignoring that segment and half-assing it, but they seem to be ignoring the cry from their own Cadillac following from the 2010s that to be relevant going forward, Cadillac needs to be Cadillac... So...although its a sales flop, the ATS is....its NOT because its a bad car. Its just the wrong car for the brand!

Very low volume. 224 built. Even a Buick Grand National GNX had more production numbers than that of an XJ220. Handbuilt...could it be a moot point as AMG engines are handbuilt? Either way, your point will always be valid. The inline 6 from Mercedes is intended to be mass produced and to be used in a plethora of vehicles. The inline 6 from Mercedes would be akin to the 3.8 liter V6 from Buick or the ecoboosted 3.5 from Ford. Designed to be mass produced to be used in all sorts of cars, but a special few would be made into something special and put into special halo cars...

ZJ220. As in Jaguar ZJ220. Production from 1992-1994. The concept car and promise was for it to be a 12 cylinder. Many deposits for it. When Jaguar decided for it to be a Twin Turbo V6, many of those deposits were canceled. Pretty little thing. From the front.... Not so pretty from the back. In my opinion.

If you guys dont know, I have 70 DIECAST model cars in scale 1:18. I used to have over 100. I since have downsized the collection to 70 and only recently have I displayed them. I got rid of the doubles and the redundant models. It makes for a more tighter and focused collection. I decided to stop at 70. Problem is....I dont have the Alpines (new and old) in my collection and I would LOVE to have them. Problem is...they wouldnt fit as I dont have any other room in my display cases (I could make room of I wanted to...but it be too crowded messin' up the perfect view points I have know)) and they wouldnt fit my display themes either.

Robocop...if it aint the Taurus we are talking about...then its the one and only 6000 SUX. An American Tradition getting a shytty 8.2 m.p.g. It even comes with a Blaupunkt radio... Based on a 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme. http://robocop.wikia.com/wiki/6000_SUX About the Robocop 5 reference though. Could it be satire?

Call it the opposite of a Corvette. If the Corvette packs a huge V8 in a front mid-engine configuration powering the rear wheels, the Alpine has a diminutive 4 cylinder in a rear mi-engine layout powering the rear wheels. (For it to be 100% the opposite, it have to be powering the front wheels...) One thing for sure is that both Alpines (new and old) are awesome little race cars. I want me one. The new one. I could park it next to my Fiat 124 Abarth. (the new one as well.)

Would that be anybody that I have communicated with? Just curious and a yes or no answer would be suffice if privacy may be an issue if names are not to be divulged.

I too, hope the GMC version is nicer. It usually is. At least that is how it was for the last couple of generations.

Sure...why the hell not???!!! Shyte...Id be a George W. Bush Jr. constituent had the F Series pick-up been as attractive as it was back in the day... Its sad though...that the most macho-est truck out there with the most intimidating motorvation ever is a decade old and never coming back... These new Chevys and Fords though...

Why is Ford and Chevy creating these ugly trucks? Its bad enough that Nissan's and Toyota's full sized offerings are ugly as sin. (with Toyota's mid-sized offering being uglier than that still...) There is no need for Ford and Chevy to over style these. There is no need to go overboard with the machismo.

The 2 generations of the 1960s A-Body from GM (1964-1967 & 1968-1972) and the last generation of GM's G-Body (1978-1987,1988) have got to be one of my favorite muscle car stylings of all time. And that would be across all the brands that used these platforms. It dont matter if it be Chevy or Pontiac or Oldsmobile or Buick. Awesome stuff!

Take this quote: And rebuttal that quote this way: which is a fair and decent way to counter. But...dont be a-cryin' when jobs in your country are that much less and the "real" jobs are leaving to go to to "foreign" lands. Dont be a-complainin' about your Presidential leaders not doin' enough to create "new" jobs and dont be a-fussin' and yellin' that the country needs more education in schools...and that your country needs to bring back manufacturin' jobs...