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@Robert Hall I misread the sales figures. I went back to re-check... Truth be told, the sales figures of the Escalade that I saw only go until March or April. And for those 3 or 4 months. The Navigator and the Escalade sell about the same. So...you are most definitely right to say that the 3.5 ecoboosted 'Gator just does fine. I still think the 'Slade needs a 6.2 liter V8 though.

Yet they buy crappy Hyundais and Toyotas and VWs... And Mercedes Benzes and Audis (part of VW) and Bimmers... And Nissans... To my knowledge, all these car companies all had there share of crappy, non-reliable products. Some of them even killed people with their greedy schemes. Yeah! Like GM! So... Try again!

The Navigator had to re-invent itself somewhat. and a quick google search I saw that the Escalade sells to the ratio of 2:1 versus the Navigator. The 'Gator is a new model. Ill keep my opinion that the Escalade needs big displacement. Its true that we are no longer in a muscle car race for big displacements, but I believe with Cadillac and its Escalade, that there is no replacement for displacement.

This Mercedes is not that much better. Not as ugly, but not far from Panamera ugliness. Between the two? Ill think Ill pass... The Porsche Taycan however, would be something Id consider. If you wanted me to choose an ICE vehicle from Europe. Id go for a Maserati GrandTurismo. About the same price, slower, not as roomy...oh but that sound that V8 makes...and you got to admit, the GrandTurismo is sexier that all of them, Taycan included!

I dont think IRS was needed in the Escalade. For many reasons, but for one big one. It was kinda the only game in town, and it sold (and continues to sell) like hot potatoes. Dont fix if it aint broke. Their sedans and coupes and in their car based CUVs desperately need DOHC. In the Escalade, I dont think it matters much. But I do believe that displacement is a must in the Escalade. @smk4565 thinks that 0-60 times, and all that, is important to the Escalade buyer. It is not! The Escalade buyer just wants his big ass Cadillac. And big ass Cadillacs are big in every way. In bling, in grilles, in length, in width, in arrogance, in engine size. Rolls Royce Phantom...seems like their 6.75 liter V8 was under the hood since forever. And their V12 that they put in their cars and SUVs today? Seems like BMW did not want to fool around with that formula and for the last 15 years or so, the BMW V12 that Rolls Royce uses is exactly the same displacement as that V8: 6.75liters!!! The Escalade needs a big displacement V8. The 6.2 liter LT Series all aluminium V8 is a perfect fit. And it seems that many buyers and leasers want it that way.

Well...Im mad!!! Im mad about all those things I mentioned in my post to you!!! Im mad at Justin Trudeau for not actually talking to Mary Barra or any GM CEO about this. Im mad at Justin Trudeau AND Doug Ford for just kissing each other on the cheek and agreeing with each other that nothing can be done instead making a BIG stink about it to General Motors AND Donald Trump. ESPECIALLY not making a BIG stink to Donald Trump. If his tyrades were only targeted at the right subjects... Because you just know, that GM closing 5 plants, 4 in the US, is just GM giving the middle finger to Donald Trump for Donald Trump giving several middle fingers to GM since he became POTUS... But who pays the price for all these middle fingers? 18 000 North American workers is who!!! Im mad at North American consumers for neglecting what made North America the envy of the world. Im mad at ourselves for allowing our politicians selling us off to corporate greed way back in the 1980s when we started this trend of overconsumption... But...with Hyundai...I can see that corporate greed on their end is the same as anywhere else that puts money in front of anything else... And we got ourselves to blame for that... We North Americans, we do overconsume. And corporations feed on our voracious appetite. Despite all these plant closures, and possibly more to come, we havent learned our lesson from the last economic crisis in 2008-2009... We continue to overconsume... What does this have to do with Hyundai? Well...everything!!! If we just keep what we got and we demand as consumers better products...and we vote with our pockets, not with our voracious appetite for junk and overconsumption, but with truly well built stuff when we buy, with cash, not credit, and we dont replace every little thing we own every other month...then and only then corporate greed might come to an end... Also, if we go in the streets and riot once in a while, like the French in Paris just did...maybe just maybe, corporate greedy CEOs, lobbyists and crooked politicians might actually listen to us... Did we riot in the streets when GM released the news of these plant closures? Did we riot in the streets when we heard that Hyundai or GM or VW or whatever corporate thief did something bad to our society whether it be ignition switches or the diesel scandal or whatnot? The French had enough with their governments tax hikes...Makron had no choice to retract...

She kinda looks like she could be a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader though... Tall, buxom blonde...

Im not surprised. GM has brought this upon themselves too... Starting with, what is good for GM is good for the country. GM became too big to fail. GM then became complacent and arrogant, much like some Canadian provincial and federal Premiers and certain American Presidents...and well, you get cutting corners on ignition switches and bailout fallouts and closing factories that really piss off people.

You just mad because GM is shutting down Oshawa... Be mad at GM for shutting down Oshawa, but do not confuse the two things here... Actually, be more mad at Unifor for facilitating GM's decision for Oshawa. Be mad at Ontario's premier's for not allowing Ontario to be more competitive for factories... Be mad at North Americans for choosing CUVs and SUVs instead of buying the Impala, Regal and Cadillac XTS... I think the Equinox was built at Oshawa, so there is that, but then again, be mad at Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau and the present political climate and be mad at Mexico for having its factory workers being paid slave wages and the US having trade deficits (not with Canada though but still...) and all that... Be mad at GM's decision to put all their eggs in their electric and autonomous basket and because Ontario and Unifor were NEVER kinda fair for GM and its Oshawa plant, this was a long time coming for Oshawa...

Yet Hyundai's leaders, after Toyota, VW, GM and the others, with their respective scandals, still did not learn from past history, and decided to screw the consumer anyway... I wouldnt be laughing at these people here... In fact, Id invite these people in here to laugh at you in failing to troll them successfully...

I beg to differ. The Escalade is not one of those wannabe nimble track handling SUVs like a Porsche Cayenne or Lamborghini Urus or BMW X6... The Escalade is the original (Lincoln Naivigator is truly the original) large land yacht SUV... Kinda like how 1960s Lincoln Continentals or 1970s Cadillac Fleetwoods used to be... That is why the Escalade sells... People want and love their big land yacht Cadillacs. The Bentley and Rolls Royce made their Bentayga and Cullinan in the Escalades image... Because Bentley and Rolls Royce never abandoned their floaty land yacht images...unlike Cadillac. But you see, the Bentayga has got a (as its top engine) a 6.0 liter and the Rolls Royce has a 6.75 liter under their hoods. Both V12s. But it dont matter. Both are 6.0 liters and above...and for a reason... Even Mercedes Benz with their GL class SUV has got a 5.5 liter as its biggest V8 offering in theirs. For Cadillac to go with a 4.2 liter in their Escalade would be a mistake in my eyes... The irony (and hypocrisy) of today's world is this: At a time when electrics are gaining status more and more in the market place, at a time when everybody has gone "save the planet" and view the internal combustion engine as the Devil, the world seems to not want to let go of V12s and V8s....especially in high displacements... The Challenger rides on a 20 year old platform, yet the world has gone bonkers over its 2.7 and 2.4 (Demon and Hellcat respectively) liter supercharger on top of a 6.2 liter V8 and continues to sell at a voracious rate... The Scatpack at 6.4 liters is also revered... Let us not forget the Jeep version of the Hellcat... Ferrari...Ferrari has dropped a 6.5 liter V12 in their latest GT sports car. UP from 6.3 liters... 6.5 liters...in a Ferrari... Remember this logo? Yes...it belongs on a GTO...not a Ferrari GTO, but a muscle car Pontiac GTO...in 1967... A 6.2 liter V8 with a 2.65 liter blower attached to it in the Escalade would be a very welcomed status symbol... A better status symbol than that: EV Escalade.

You would rather be a real and true Macedonian...Greece? Then I love you and I give you a pass... You would rather be a FYROM "Macedonian...then Ill have to ask you one thing...what did Dallas and the Cowboys do for such hatred and lunacy? America's Team? You just KNOW that they are!!!! ?

You just HAD to bring that up...? ?

Hates on grey interiors...Dallas Cowboys ? Im thinking, the Dallas Cowboys' colours are actually silver... Also hates on compact cars and subcompacts... Im thinking that the Dallas Cowboys are anything BUT compact and subcompact Im thinking, that maybe, you do like the Dallas Cowboys... 1. Sliver, not gray. 2. Grand, not puny and weak like a Chevy Sparx or the New York Giants... Common, admit it!!! Ill help you cheer them on

I will admit, the Continental with a 6 inches longer wheelbase looks good. This 6 inches longer wheel base should have been the Continental for sale when it went on sale a year or two ago... Suicide doors or not, Lincoln should have made THIS Lincoln Continental... That hood though where the hood meets up with the top of the grille. THAT has got to go... A more snug fitting like the concept should have been Lincoln's goal then...and now!!!

The time I took off from this place, I felt the same way... I still loved the Hellcat brothers and the Demon. The Mustang was a close second. Tesla got on my nerves... Went to Greece for vacation. Saw a few Euro cars. Fell in love with the Mercedes Sprinters. They are everywhere in Greece. Hotel/airport/small island transit/ shuttles for locals and tourists. Very versatile. It took a passenger van with different wheel bases and configurations to rekindle my love with the automobile. And then, my neighbour got his Tesla Model 3 delivered in the early fall. A white AWD performance model. I took a ride in it. (did not drive it) but WOW! In between seasons I saw a couple of 4.7liter V8 Maseratis. The sound these make... And the way it looks, the GrandTurismo, its just...well, lets just say that in my muscle car dream garage, there would be a Challenger (Hellcat or Scatpack), a 1970 Oldsmobile 442, a 1973 Trans Am SD455, and a brand new 2018/2019 Maserati GrandTurismo S/MC/MC Stradale. With the latest news on Ford canceling its sedans, GM almost doing the same thing, and with Cadillac, the CT6...its just laughable. But, I look at the Maserati, then I see my neighbour drive away to work in his awesome Tesla Model 3 AWD performance, than I go to youtube to see the Superfast 812 Ferrari, and I just sing to myself, what a wonderful world...

This should have had the the suicide doors... If I was Lincoln, I wouldnt be spending the engineering costs on a vehicle they are about to kill off, Id be spending the dough on this Aviator and Id demolish the competition with it... Oh...as a hater of CUVs and SUVs...I LOVE this one!!!

The 2018 Escalade's 6.2 liter is the truck engine of the 2014 release of the LT1 in the Corvette Stingray. Its also called a Gen V of Chevy small blocks Gen IV were the LS engines. Gen III were the LT engines again. No...the Gen V small block LT is NOT a Gen III LT small block. No...the Gen III LT small blocks have nothing in common with Chevrolet's original 1950s small block V8s... Yes...the Gen IVs are different from the Gen IIIs. Yes...the Gen Vs have some similarities to the LS based Gen IVs, but... All Gen V engines are aluminum blocks with aluminum cylinder heads and include features such as direct injection, piston cooling jets...something that the Gen IV LS engines do not have... The Gen Vs are...brand new and employ state of the art technology keeping them on par in technology and sophistication with exotic V8s from exotic V8 makers such as Ferrari... Mercedes V8s are good. AMG V8s are awesome. The Chevrolet Small Block V8...is legendary. You may not agree with this. But its OK. I, would love to see the new TT 4.2 liter in a new Cadillac product, in the Escalade though, I am more than happy to see a detuned LT5 under the hood. Why? Its a truck. Its the Escalade. 4.2 liter versus 6.2 liter. Twin turbo sure. Its good. 2.65 liter supercharger....think about that for a moment... Cadillac should always be about arrogance... Unless Cadillac puts 2 supersized turbos the size of 1 gallon paint, on the possible Escalade 4.2 liter to produce that 700 or so horsepower, I would prefer the 2.65 liter supercharger under the hood of my 'Slade. But that is just me. Trying to retain some American Muscle, Cadillac arrogance in my American automobiles...something that the dudes that run Cadillac should be thinking about as well...

Oh of course, there's no other explanation.

And to quote you on this...the experience on a Tesla blackhole/retail location could not be worse than a stealership one... And laughable how this movie scene may be, this type of stealership experience is still continuing in 2018 for realz...

I do not doubt that. Gasoline powered cars as it seems, have problems also. The Nasa space shuttles and rockets also had problems. German WW2 tanks. Problems. Airplanes of any era...had and continue to have problems. Boats and trains, diesel powered or gasoline or coal. Problems. Nuclear powered subs and aircraft carriers...yup, you guessed it...all have and continue to have problems... You know what...horses die sometimes...resulting in what we are calling it in this thread...problems. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/caleche-horse-collapses-and-dies-in-old-montreal-1.4163205 It seems that everything that humans use to move us around, all seem to have...problems...

If it aint staged, the other explanation would be that this aint her car...and she does not know what a Tesla is and what kind of car it is...that she borrrowed it from somebody else. Tesla, electric vehicles, are specialty cars at this time... If she actually bought the car, she would actually want that car, she would actually go out of her way to actually buy an electric vehicle. Telsa cars are not exactly in the Toyota appliance realm of the automotive spectrum. And remember, no dealerships for a Tesla...that means that she would literally know where to buy it...not stumble across a stealership and get duped into buying something she knows nothing about buying something she does not need... She would have to order what type of battery she would want. What type of charger she wants to buy for her home. The reps over at Tesla would also tell her how to use her smartphone Tesla app and superscreen to found out where the Superchargers are at in her vicinity when she needs to charge up and ultimately, the Model S itself would warn her where to charge her vehicle via the Tesla superscreen... Therefore, if these people filming this episode of epic fail youtube vids, if these people want to fool us and sell us on the notion that a human being willfully sought out a Tesla store in a shopping center where everything about a Tesla store just smells of electricity, not gasoline then yeah...I do not believe it... Therefore fake. If not fake, she burrowed that Tesla from somebody, and yes, she might be clueless, but then again, if somebody does not know about cars, then somebody does not know about cars...Tesla or otherwise...

On the Tesla fail. Funny. But fake. Just another reality TV/youtube/facebook garbage entertainment meant for clicks and views for revenue streams and thumbs up posts...

I dont think the interior quality of these had any bearing of the success (or lack of success) of these. Seeing that Pontiac and Saturn were shutdown shortly after the Kappa twins were introduced to the world. I think the lack of success of the Kappa twins were in fact just a symbolic gesture of the lack of focus and attention their respective brands got from parent company General Motors. Saturn did not really need a roadster at this time. Saturn needed to get back to what made Saturn a success in the first place. And that was product that was not badge engineered from the GM umbrella. The whole purpose of Saturn was to be a different kind of car company. Pontiac, had lost its identity when they started ditching their engines and went for Chevrolet/GM corporate engines. And then the whole FWD badge engineered platforms they shared with virtually every other GM brands...and into the 1990s and the 2000s, with Saturn too... Pontiac at this time did not know if they wanted to be plastic cladded boy racer FWD appliances that appear to be sporty, or plastic cladded boy racer FWD soccer mom vehicles that appear to be sporty or hanging on to RWD...ditching RWD but then going back to RWD with 4 cylinder roadsters and muscle cars from Australia that have ZERO Pontiac DNA...(those muscle cars from Australia were awesome, but they were more or less GM corporate affairs than anything else...OK...Chevrolet DNA with a "put another shrimp on the barbie" accent... GM badge engineered the Kappa twins(triplets) and lost focus on what their respective brands actually needed. Twas Pontiac only that really needed the RWD roadster to spark excitement into the brand. Opel and Saturn did not need these. And in turn, the Kappa twins(triplets) were wrongfully marketed to their respective brands. And in turn, the other GM brands, including the recipients of the Kappa twins(triplets) were starved of funds and R&D for much needed better product planning... On the Fiat 124 roadster. Abarth or Lusso. Very Italian. Very Nicely done. The Kappa twins were good, but I think Fiat was wise to go to Mazda. GM tried to do it on their own, came up short. This Fiat on all trims (124, Lusso, Abarth) is a winner, and if Im not mistaken, has outlived the Kappa twins(triplets)...

Firstly, Secondly, To whom? To you of course. Sometime in the near future when all pistons and cylinders have gone the way of the