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Sorry, like I said, it was looking at sales. http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2019/01/small-and-midsize-luxury-car-sales-in-america-december-2018/

??‍♂️ I agree, anything over 50k is expensive for an automobile to me. I was just pointing out the 3.6 +AWD can be had at a "reasonable" price as well, not just the 2.0T. CT6 is classified as a mid-size sedan.. I don't know if they're wasteful on the interior volume or what but it gets classified with the CTS when I'm looking at sales ??‍♂️

His says $99 Weekly. I had to do some small font reading because it didn't make sense to me. $99 a WEEK. It doesn't seem that special of a price.

Hmmm.. I'm not a huge fan of it not saving the setting but it isn't the worst thing in the world. However, I think for most people buying these it should default to AWD.

Having the option is nice but if it does not save the setting for the next start, that would drive me nuts.

I agree that more options is always welcomed but it seems like an odd thing to make an option. I don't know much about the GM system but does it default to on or off when you turn the vehicle on? Does it retain the setting for the next time you start the vehicle?

What about Tesla?

Yeah, if it is compared to those it sells very poorly. E Class/CLS: 46,424 5 Series: 43,937 I agree it is expensive buuuuut a CT6 3.6 + AWD starts at 54,990.

Ahhh okay, I get them mixed up as I'm not much of a Lexus fan. Thank you!

Yeah, I was just sticking to the vehicles mentioned but that Lincoln has been selling disappointingly as well. I don't know much about Lexus/Toyota, is the LS a rebadged Avalon?

^ That was per goodcarbadcar.com's numbers.

I was curious so I had to look them up... CT6: 9,669 7 Series: 8,271 S Class: 14,978 A7: 3,852 A8: 1,599 ? Nearly 10,000 units of CT6 isn't bad at all entering a segment the S Class owns and is very established.

Exactly, these expensive trims with base engines just don't sell. Nobody spending that kind of coin wants a little 2.0T engine in their luxury barge.

That's how STL is run as well.. It's a really weak effort, for the most part. I go when I can but there is rarely anything truly NEW there. I remember two vehicles that stood out to me before they were on dealer lots and one was the Challenger and the other was the 2019 Ram 1500.

They also make it public that they're making the changes. I don't recall Ford, GM, Mercedes, or anybody else making these kinds of press releases three or four times a year. That seems so absurdly stupid that it's funny to me.

I would agree. I was just stating that while he thought the ML fit what was being discussed didn't really fit his description of "full-size". I think what @balthazar said as "first influential" would be a better describer than "first ever" for a lot of things. I still do not think the ML fits that, fwiw.

They are ALL OVER THE PLACE with their pricing. In the last year, I feel like they've adjusted prices three or four times.

I didn't realize this didn't already have AWD.

He did mention full-size though. ML is a luxury SUV but it isn't full-size.

They could do the off-road thing too. Those don't need some monster motor crammed in there.

Get on your General boys to do this. Their CUV lineup is as bland as anybody else's. No CUV as a high performance street version and no CUV has a high performance off-road version.

Like he already said, "Such a slow news day today. hardly anything to write about."

At the very least 2018 but it should have been the same year or a model year earlier than a Ford.

Random Ford Lincoln fact... Them doing crap like this is what has helped hold Lincoln back. Hopefully since the Navigator and Aviator they've turned a new page buuuuut Ford released an upgraded 2.0T for the Escape, Edge, MKX, MKC, and Fusion but in 2017 the Escape for the new engine and the MKC is just getting the update in 2019. relatively minute changes but a twin scroll replaced the single scroll for a 5hp/5tq bump but throttle response was supposed to have been improved. Isn't this the kind of thing that should start in the Lincolns THEN spread to Fords if Lincoln is supposed to be the premier company? ??‍♂️

That'll also get one engine choice and you guessed it, n/a 3.6. That'll be anther show stopper!