A Horse With No Name

I'd settle for just a diesel 'Benz. Chris

(Way off topic but...) I can appreciate that, DF. My Concorde really liked curvy roads...a lot of the roads I now enjoy with my Miata are roads I found with the Concorde. And after seeing the CC at the local VW dealer, I can see what you see in both the CC and Concorde/Intrepid/LH cars. Besides, your young and horny and have other things to be doing with your hands than shifting. Chris

Actually 'blu it sounds like my kind of zoo... Chris

Do you have any pics of the 67 Catalina 2+2 428? Think I've seen earlier 2+2 Pontiacs but not sure I've ever seen a 67? Also, there is a website called the ultimate GTO pic site, is there a pic. site for the fullsize stuff? ...and pardon me for saying this, but I just love the nickname "batwing" for the 61 Cat. Chris

I've thought of that too...but the cheap car to own IMHO in that range is an old Caprice cop car. Saw a very clean dark grey ex cop car that must have been ex-FBI or something on the way home the other day. Looked sweet. But...no thanks on anything automatic...which DF is also why I am not going to get another Concorde or an Intrepid. I just can't handle life without a car with that third pedal. I really, really wish Chryco had made a car like the first gen neon with an upgraded interior and a little bit more of a refined feel. Chryco nailed the handling on the first gen Neon. Also really cool are the older Daytonas and Shelby Chargers. Chris

Trouble is first gen is cheaper and has more speed parts available for it. Second Gen ACR's are VERY hard to find...they only built a few of them before switching production to SRT-4 production. Chris

I like the 64-65 the best, followed by the '59. Also love the 70, and the 71-72. But to me 65 is the best. (Ducks before getting hit with a wrench) Chris

I'm thinking I'd like to try Rallycross, even though I am not fast at autocross. Plus, with 3 teenagers in the house I need another cheap car as a third car. I am thinking evil thoughts. Non GM Mopar thoughts, if you get my (four wheel past a cone in a field) drift. Chris

...and I would agree with the Caliber. I wonder how many SRT-4 Calibers they ended up selling....I seriously wonder if they even sold over a few hundred of them. A real damn shame because Chryco's previous turbo four bangers were at least fast and cool in their own way...the SRT-4 Caliber is fast but....ughhh. Chris

Thank you for the info and good. I like VW, but when people do stupid things they should suffer. Someone at VW needs to be taken out and shot. Chris

You've also never propably driven on any real racetrack either. Chris

To turn this thread to a positive note...so sad that you were not there at our last autocross DF, not the one today but the one last month. PRISTINE 20,000 mile Neon ACR two door, looked like it had never even been driven in the rain, came out and ran fast times. It even ran faster than the SRT-4 Neon. Watching that thing run through the cones was just beautiful, it was lifting a rear wheel through every turn and just getting with the program. God what a beautiful little car. Really nice Blue with white stripes Neon R/T (first gen with the hi po motor) running around grove city also. One of our local SCCA guys is selling an ACR cheap...thought about it but I really want a MINI. Playing with real cars is much more fun than just watching TV. Good luck getting the Intrepid back on the road...we're pulling for you... Chris

+1 Chris

Riiight...all those Nascar fans are ignorant sheep who can't get up from the couch long enough to take a dump so they soil themselves watching a race. There are actually a lot of intelligent race fans I know who watch Nascar, several with engenering degrees or rather advanced white collar jobs. I'm not saying I'm into Nascar because I'm really not all that into it...I'm just saying your making an ass of yourself. Chris

...and here I would have to agree with Satty and Cubical. GM has screwed the pooch on the basic transportation cars, esp. at the entry level. Just got back from our autocross, and I was corner working with Shawn, who is a Honda engeneer who helped develop the certain aspects of the FIT and the Civic SI for the US market. He was talking about all of the things Honda had done to make the Fit and Civic effective as entry level cars. The Fit and Civic have pretty much handed the Cobalt and Aveo their ass in terms of everyday entry level cars. Until GM fixes their entry level issues, it's going to be a sad day in mudville for GM. Chris

...and who knows, maybe Tony Stewart will be racing a Toyota again... Chris

I'm not anti Nascar, a lot of people who aren't white trash like it. I think Satty is bashing it because he doesn't understand it or want to understand it, and because bashing it gives him a feeling of superiority for no reason at all. Just like people bashing Satty's Prius gives them a feeling of superiority for no rational reason. For what it's worth, NO ONE on our board could drive fast enough or well enough to compete well in even the late model series at Columbus Motor Speedway. (here in Columbus we call it Columbus Monkey speedway) At 1/3 mile Columbus motor is the shortest sanctioned Nascar track in the nation. No way in hell...could the best drivers from that track compete at the next level very well...and no way in hell could the best drivers at that level step up to Nationwide series driving, much less Nextel Cup Driving. A few years ago, David Brown, a VW GTI SCCA driver who raced in showroom stock let Bryan Herta, a CART driver at the time, take his car out for a few laps. Dave was fast by SCCA standards, and Bryan took a good 3 or 4 Seconds off of Daves lap times right away. As SCCA racecar driver Randy Pobst said....there are two things every man thinks he can do, and one of them is drive a car fast in competition. Satty...perhaps you could put your money where your mouth is and drive in some form of competition, be it karting, autocross, drag racing, road rally, rallycross, road racing, or whatever...before you open your mouth and make god's own original ass out of yourself? Not trying to be mean, but I usually enjoy what you write. In this thread you really have sounded profoundly stupid. Chris

I could see you with a new Camaro, Sixty Eight. Not sure where I am going to head next with my interest. Chris

Ohio

Pick a few new cars that just make you say...what on earth were they thinking? Here are my pics. VW Routan-who thought VW buyers would want a rebadged Chryco minivan? Apparently VW has an 18 month + supply of them. Nissan Cube-not even going there BMW X6-Cpying the Aztec? Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix-bigger, uglier, heavier, less fun to drive than the previous model and less fuel efficient also. The Routan is by far the worst, imho. Chris

This one is pricy...but looks damned nice in the blue with the redlines... http://www.oldride.com/classic_cars/977154.html Chris

Check out this Firebird-not everyones cup of tea, but the exact car I would have loved to have bought from Pontiac http://www.oldride.com/classic_cars/933670.html Chris

That would be very correct sir. The problem is that there are very specific things you need to do to get a rotary to run right and keep it running...things most owners won't do. I've got some friends in the SCCA who run RX-7's, fast light cars (Ken runs a first gen rX-7, another friend runs a second gen RX-7) but easy and low maint they are not. Best idea is an LS1 motor in a RX-7 Chasis. Lots of power, lots of handling.... Rotaries are an amazing motor. They will run at 9,000 RPM's for a whole 12 hour enduro without thinking a thing about it. Low wieght of components helps, I think perhaps. Chris

I know you don't like Yellow but to me the modern GTO looks damned good in it. Chris

BMW seems to be going less cutting edge and more mainstream. The new Z4 is decent, but its more of a hair dressers car and less of a sports car. The 3 series is allright but nothing to write home about. BMW IMHO needs to steal a page from the VW/Audi playbook and learn how to be creative and cutting edge again. And then we need to find a time machine and send that playbook page back to Oldsmobile...back in 86 or 97 or 78 or something... Chris