Drew Dowdell

Ch#$r%*et has lied before. What makes you think they didn't do it again? They told everyone that the Lumina replaced the Monte Carlo, just because the Lumina took over in NASCAR. Styling and evidence proves otherwise. According to the book _Chevrolet: The Complete History_ [copyright 1996 by Publications International LTD], on page 348: "With the new Lumina coupe and sedan effectively replacing their Celebrity counterparts...." And, on page 359: "Taking the place of the aging Celebrity sedan was the Lumina sedan ... a coupe version followed in the fall." Also, the Lumina shared types (Eurosport), dashboards (flat/horizontal), tail lights (3 square on each side, across the back panel, more or less) and FWD with the Celebrity.....NOTHING with the Monte Carlo (or Impala, for that matter). Cort | 38.m.IL | pigValve + paceMaker + cowValve | 5 MCs + 1 Caprice Classic CHD.MCs.CC + RoadTrips.hobbies.RadioShows.us66 = http://www.chevyasylum.com/cort "My depth perception must be off again" __ Saliva __ 'Rest In Pieces' " "With the new Lumina coupe and sedan effectively replacing their Celebrity counterparts...."" -....... key word there. I still say your book has it a bit wrong... and you as much as anyone knows there was a lot of name jumble in that era. The Lumina didn't replace the Celebrity directly because the Beretta/Corsica also replaced the Celebrity as well. The Lumina did replace the Monte Carlo in that it solved the problem of Chevy lacking a large family coupe after the death of the G-body Monte Carlo. The Beretta replaced the Celebrity coupe in pricepoint though was a bit smaller in physical size. The Celebrity sedan was essentially split with the lower 75% of the price range taken up by the Corsica and the upper 25% of the price range taken up by the new Lumina which was intended to fill the rather massive gap between Celebrity and Caprice. It is rather similar to the split Ford went through 3 years earlier with LTD/Granada/Thunderbird combining to Fairmont and then splitting to Tempo and Taurus and Thunderbird. The 1988 W-Body Cutlass Supreme took over from the G-Body Cutlass Supreme Classic and not the A-Body Cutlass Ciera..... The Cutlass Ciera was replaced by the Cutlibu and NOT the Intrigue. The 1988 W-Body Grand Prix took over for the G-body Grand Prix/Bonneville and not the A-Body 6000 which continued on until 1991.... no matter what Wikipedia says. No one in the world believes that the Grand Prix replaced the 6000. The 1988 W-Body Regal took over from the G-body Regal and not the A-Body Century which continued on until 1996. Thus...The 1990 W-Body Lumina took over for the G-Body Monte Carlo and it only looks like it took over for the Celebrity because Chevy was caught flat footed by the Taurus and ended up "missing" a proper upper mid-size car for a few years. The Corsica/Beretta took on the lower end of the market (the proof is in the sales) and Chevy just suffered with the Celebrity as the Caprice/Corsica in-between car until the Lumina came out. and everyone had a flat/horizontal dash in 1988... if that is going to be a criterion for "sharing"... then the Lumina shared a horizontal dash design with the Taurus as well.

Yes to more wagons please!

To the best of my knowledge, there was never a FWD LTD in the US.

Other direction entirely

What is the point of oil and chips other than as a stimulus package for local detailers and windshield repair shops?

First person to post the shortened 70s Seville, 80s Seville, or 80s Eldorados gets banned.

if I'm understanding it correctly, it is a 2 cylinder, 2-stroke engine, without the need for an oil gas mixture, in addition, it has two more cylinders that serve as compression stroke "pumps"?

I would think more than an example of one T&C with a bad motor need to come up before we call this a trend.

But....why should you want to do this?

Honda was worried about precedent. Imagine all of the Civic hybrid owners suing them in small claims for $10,000.

I did like the AeroBird and AeroCougar

I need to book a trip to Fl!

Any Ford brand.... Lincoln Mark VII

Not just any Toyota...

Yes, I think POPS is newer than 2006, but I'd have to double check that. And, how did you map it? I bought SEVERAL books, but the most-helpful was the "EZ Guide", which gives turn by turn directions and detailed maps to guide you on taking all the different alignments that you won't know are 66, unless you research and dig into it. Cort | 38.m.IL | pigValve + paceMaker + cowValve | 5 MCs + 1 Caprice Classic CHD.MCs.CC + RoadTrips.hobbies.RadioShows.us66 = http://www.chevyasylum.com/cort * rNw-CC+event: http://rdwhl-caprice...rd=whatsgoingon * "But those days are gone" __ Anne Murray __ 'Time Don't Run Out On Me' years of library research, mapping websites (Google maps follows it pretty well), and other fellow rt66 fans, both online and off, that have shared their findings. I've been wanting to do a full non-stop Rt66 trip since i was in high school, so that shows you how long I've been trying to set this up. also is there one alignment that's more well-known than others or more recent, or whatever? or would a full trip constitute following several different alignments just to stay on the road? nothing is unnavigable in the right vehicle.

I bet a 2.0T Ecotec would move it around quite nicely and still get decent (or relatively better) fuel economy.

I think everyone understands the "your mileage may vary" part. But Honda did an ECM flash to the Civic as part of a TSB and fuel economy was further reduced by a significant amount.

Typically, the person most active in getting the sales figures up other than myself has been BlackViper, though others have helped too.... but he hasn't been around much lately and has even been rumored to have crossed over to the dark side.

See? lol!

Oh wow, that does end up being cheap

Are there states that you can get away with a gas to diesel swap? I know you can't do it in PA

The 80s B-body wagons

Could totally rock that as a daily driver!

Which model?

I find myself strangely drawn to it.