Drew Dowdell

My '81 Toronado is 3800lbs. Or a different perspective, your truck is only about 100lbs less than a Buick Regal GS AWD.

I wouldn't mind a nicely loaded Passat TDI for those deals.

Bogotá Columbia - Makes the Spark, Sonic, Sail, a Cobalt that is different than what we got here, an odd looking number called the Onix, and the Isuzu cab over trucks. Gravatai Brazil - Chevy Onix/Prisma Quito Ecuador - Astra, Aveo GT (our Sonic hatchback), Chevy/Suzuki Vitara Rosario Argentina - Agile, Classic (AKA Sail), Cruze (the same one as we get) São Caetano do Sul and São José dos Campos Brazil - A bunch of Gamma platform variants plus the Chevy S-10... the overseas version of our Colorado

That's something that always bothered me about generators seeing how @HoLottaBuicks '57 Century discharges at idle.. ... if they didn't produce electric until they hit a certain RPM, why wouldn't a pulley size change help fix that? I realize there's gotta be more to it than just spinning the generator faster.

You need some weight on them there back tires... a high(er) speed emergency stop could have you tip uncomfortably forward. I can't believe you haven't driven a manual in 20+ years.

Both are true... but the second half of that should be handled by the lower courts and GM should not be able to hide behind the BK

Back on topic NOW. Hell, even go back to socialism if you want....at least that is relevant to the article!

Yeah, I don't get the torque comment either. It's not like we don't already have DSGs running behind engines with 250 lbft to 400 lbft. The physical size of the engine will change, but an X3i X-Drive-E Drive-Blue CrossCoupewagon will still be putting out about that same amount of power even if it's only from a 1.5 liter engine in 2045.

There is a new feature coming in the software, Clubs. They work much in the same way that Facebook groups do. That is, any standard member can create and run a club. Clubs can have their own topics, galleries, blogs, and calendar. You can literally run your own mini-forum inside of CheersandGears if you wanted. If you create a club, you can have control over its membership, appoint moderators, or have it be invisible to the general public (Admins can still see everything of course). Topics from Clubs can be moved to the general forum and vice versa. If a bunch of you are Game of Thrones fans and want to chat together in a "Club" here on C&G, you can set it up. Or Hockey... or fans of Oldsmobiles... whatever you want as long as it is not X-rated. What I'm looking for is feedback on how you guys might want this to be structured or any specific rules you think should be put into place. I expect the feature by mid-Summer.

How about not and we move on.

Exactly.

The main point is the perspective of the bigger picture.... inside of that, there are multiple points. One is that Chevrolet is not as big priority for GM in China. Chevy still needs to perform, but it's not make or break. Ford brand is literally all Ford has in China at this point... Lincoln is just barely getting started and Ford has no other brand partners like GM does. The second point is that sports cars have never been a Chinese priority, posh chauffeur driven sedans and MPVs are, so I can't really fault GM for not putting any effort there. I can certainly fault Lincoln for only joining the market in 2014. Mustang outsold Camaro in China.... yippie.... GM sold 3.8 times as many vehicles as Ford did in China. Lincoln sold 32,588 cars in China in 2016. Cadillac (which isn't even doing that well in China compared to Benz or Audi) does that in 2 months. Buick does that every 2.5 weeks. I'm sure Mary Barra is crying over the 310 units per month she's losing out to Mustang sales. Really.... three hundred and ten vehicles per month in a country of 1.37 billion people is what @FordCosworth is tap dancing over. Perspective. Unfortunately, this story is a molehill that a giant mountain has been made from.

I think the issue is with the why and when people are getting downvoted. If you get downvoted for something like one of Hyper's long posts that is full of opinion and such, sure, that can be valid if you're simply disagreeing with that poster. There is a small group of posters here who will downvote a post simply because of who posted it. It could be something as simple as "Air contains Oxygen" and they get downvoted for it. That is what causes the irritation. Downvoting out of pettiness and personal vindictiveness is the problem... not downvoting due to disagreement. Most of the time, if I downvote someone, I'll also reply as to why I disagree. I'll also point out that the people who are doing the downvoting out of vindictiveness are the ones who ruined the system and forced me to put a limit on how many downvotes they could make in a day. Those people were going through and downvoting EVERY POST certain people made without regard for the content of the post. They either didn't realize or didn't care that I can see all of their activity on the site. They would log in and do nothing but downvote a particular person and then leave. They are, in fact, Downvote Trolls... doing so specifically, and immaturely, to irritate other users of this website. One of them was already found guilty of other high crimes and misdemeanors, and consequently executed. Another has seemly left the site. A third is currently on a severely restricted probation.

The Mustang is getting it's ass kicked by a mommyvan. Again, Chevrolet is not GM's brand of choice there, Buick, Cadillac, and Wuling, and Baojun are. Wuling and Baojun sell over 1.5m vehicles annually. Buick adds another million. Those three brands alone are 2.5 million units annually. That's 208,333 cars a month from just three brands... add to that GM also has Cadillac, Chevrolet, and some other China-only brands as well (Opel is/was there for some reason) Ford isn't even in the 6 digit per month figure. GM has 4 cars in the Top Selling Cars in China list. Ford has zero. But Mustang beat Camaro.... so...

Does that kind of excuse work in China? You yourself said that the Camaro has been selling there since 2011.... the Mustang is new.

You're the one who brought up the Puritans man..... you got your facts wrong about them escaping religious persecution. On the point of the Quakers.. of which I am a descendant as well, I concede that yes they were being persecuted in England... but they were NOT the Mayflower pilgrims.

Camaro was busy stomping on the Mustang here in the US during 4 of those 5 years. GM's more interested in growing Buick and Cadillac. Buick is a huge money maker for them over there where they can sell re-badged Daewoos at the low end for big markups and charge Benz like prices for the Encore and the GL8. Buick has been a prestige brand since the last time China had an Emperor. Where is Lincoln? Just getting started. Let's compare numbers.... During March the Ford sold 90,457 units, down biggly. General Motors delivered a March record of 345,448 vehicles GM sold 2.5 times as many Envisions as Ford sold Mustangs. GM sold nearly as many Buicks in China (88,519) than Ford sold vehicles of any brand and any size. Chevy just isn't one of the bigger brands for GM in China. They use their other brands there.... so it's not a big surprise that Camaro sales are low. In the end, I'm not really all that concerned about Camaro or Mustang sales in China... as the original article implies, muscle cars (or more properly, pony cars?) have never been a big deal to the Chinese, so the sales of these two cars there is a relatively new phenomenon. The Chinese go for big, soft luxury... being chauffeur driven has been the prestige there. Hard to have a chauffeur with a Camaro or Mustang.

I can Zero you out if you want to start from scratch

Voting is going to change in a few months anyway. I"ve been testing out version 4.2 of the software and it has "reactions" rather than voting up or down.

I'm not sure GM was even trying with the Camaro over there.... leaving it with limited importation due to cost. It was a big deal that they even imported the Enclave over there.

The problem is when you and a select other few vote troll. Meaning, someone who you don't like posts "Air contains oxygen" and you vote them down for it. Unfortunately, this software doesn't have a mechanism for dealing with that sort of pettiness, so I have to spank you manually.

Yeah, Capitalism did similar things to Detroit as well. When they starting to put short term profits over long term product quality. When they started considering people disposable. When they started moving jobs overseas because they forgot the lessons of Henry Ford; pay your workers a wage that they can afford the products they build. You can head over to Detroit and survey the destruction of rampant capitalism all you want.