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    Jeep Grand Commander is a Three-Row SUV for China

    Jeep has introduced a new three-row SUV for the Chinese market called the Grand Commander.

    There is a lot of design inspiration from the Yuntu concept shown at the Shanghai Motor Show last year. The Grand Commander has squared-off corners, large glass area, and front-end styling similar to the Grand Cherokee. In terms of dimensions, the Grand Commander is about two inches longer in overall length than the Grand Cherokee. But it is two-inches narrower than the Grand Cherokee.

    Only one engine will be available, a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder with 230 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque. This is sent through a nine-speed automatic to either the front wheels or four-wheel drive system. Underpinning the model is FCA's Compact U.S. Wide (CUSW) platform.

    The Grand Commander is expected to go on sale sometime later this year.

    Before anyone asks, this is not the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer that is expected sometime in 2020 or so.

    Source: Motor Authority



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    So based on the Cherokee...transverse 4cyl?  Has the unfortunate FWD based front axle to door length issue.      But since it's not for the US, it's a moot point.   Other pics of it show some weirdness around the rear window--the back edge of the c-pillar doesn't line up with the rear window/hatch opening, so there are cheesy black trim pieces on each side of the rear window...ugh. 

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    Another reason it looks so odd...the wheelbase is almost 5 inches shorter than the GC.    Another odd factoid--the wheelbase is the same as the old Grand Wagoneer (110 inches).   Not sure why they would do a 3 row on such a short wheelbase.   Remember the Commander from a decade ago?  Had an even shorter wheelbase. 

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    I have to say, this is kind of growing on me over time.  It would never be a replacement for the Grand Cherokee, but I think it still might have a place in the Jeep lineup to let the JGC move up market.

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    59 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Maybe with a facelift it could be the next Dodge Journey...

    I'm guessing we don't see it here.  If this is indeed a stretched Cherokee, it is unlikely it would meet US side-impact standards.

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    I think they should do a Comander or Wagoneer 3 row SUV that is like a Traverse/Explorer competitor, that doesn't matter if it is it front drive the a turbo 4.  But they should also have a Grand Wagoneer that is like a 3-row more luxurious version of the Grand Cherokee.  More like a Yukon Denali competitor on the latter.

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    43 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I think they should do a Comander or Wagoneer 3 row SUV that is like a Traverse/Explorer competitor, that doesn't matter if it is it front drive the a turbo 4.  But they should also have a Grand Wagoneer that is like a 3-row more luxurious version of the Grand Cherokee.  More like a Yukon Denali competitor on the latter.

    On the first one, why should they dilute the brand like that? Just for volume? Every Pacifica clone with a Jeep grille and standard doors would devalue the premium that the JGC can sell at.

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    8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    I think they should do a Comander or Wagoneer 3 row SUV that is like a Traverse/Explorer competitor 

    The Pacifica and Durango fill the family hauler niche, Jeep doesn't need to go there..

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    10 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    On the first one, why should they dilute the brand like that? Just for volume? Every Pacifica clone with a Jeep grille and standard doors would devalue the premium that the JGC can sell at.

    Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't have a 3rd row, so it is already off the radar of about 500,000 buyers or more.  VW, Subaru, Honda, Toyota, Mazda, GMC, Ford, Chevy, Buick all make a 3 row SUV.  Jeep does not.

    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    The Pacifica and Durango fill the family hauler niche, Jeep doesn't need to go there..

    What happens when the Chrysler brand dies and Dodge might also?  And they don't sell Chrysler and Dodge in international markets or at least not in any measurable volume.

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    On 4/26/2018 at 12:24 PM, William Maley said:

    Before anyone asks, this is not the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer that is expected sometime in 2020 or so

    This line makes none of this matter... 

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    The First Robo Cop movie, the Original  was a telltale sign of the future. They talked about Big is Better and Room inside is King The all new 6000 SUX, a hybrid or pure electric CUV.

    I can see a limited market for Cars in the Future, SUV/CUV/Truck will be KING as we meet fuel standards via the new power trains.

    Welcome to the Future!

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't have a 3rd row, so it is already off the radar of about 500,000 buyers or more.  VW, Subaru, Honda, Toyota, Mazda, GMC, Ford, Chevy, Buick all make a 3 row SUV.  Jeep does not.

    What happens when the Chrysler brand dies and Dodge might also?  And they don't sell Chrysler and Dodge in international markets or at least not in any measurable volume.

    I fully expect a 3-row from Jeep... but making it a vanilla crossover with no off-road capability isn't the way to go about it. 

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    Yeah that's not the Jeep way. If they offer a Trailhawk version in the baby Renegade..They'll have one in their range topper as well. 

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    19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Yeah that's not the Jeep way. If they offer a Trailhawk version in the baby Renegade..They'll have one in their range topper as well. 

    I don't expect a rebadged and rebodied Pacifica to get the Trailhawk rating... but that type of vehicle is what SMK is suggesting. 

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    12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I don't expect a rebadged and rebodied Pacifica to get the Trailhawk rating... but that type of vehicle is what SMK is suggesting. 

    No I am not, it could be a fwd or rwd platform it just has to have 3 rows and interior like a base Grand Cherokee or higher trim Cherokee.  The Renegade, Compass and Cherokee are on fwd car platforms so I don’t see what the difference is on platform when that is what they do now.

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    FWD platforms but not necessarily "car" platforms. 

    The Grand Cherokee and Wrangler are on RWD platforms... if that's what they do now, why change? 🙄

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    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    FWD platforms but not necessarily "car" platforms. 

    The Grand Cherokee and Wrangler are on RWD platforms... if that's what they do now, why change? 🙄

    Well the Renegade and Compass are built on this platform:

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    And the Cherokee is built on this platform:

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    So if they could make that work, I am sure they can find a platform out of the FCA parts in that can produce a 7 passenger SUV for $35k that is as good off road as a Cherokee.

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    Why would they want that when they're trying to keep Jeep a more premium brand? 

    The vehicle in this article isn't going to be made for this market so I'm kind of confused on all of the hoopla over it in general.

    The Grand Wagoneer is what we will get and that'll be a big 7 seater. 

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    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Why would they want that when they're trying to keep Jeep a more premium brand? 

    The vehicle in this article isn't going to be made for this market so I'm kind of confused on all of the hoopla over it in general.

    The Grand Wagoneer is what we will get and that'll be a big 7 seater. 

    They could make a different vehicle for this market, the Durango is a 3 row SUV, they can make a Wagoneer out of that, and make some Escalade or Navigator competitor for a Grand Wagoneer.  

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    • Jim Farley is an interesting guy who has flipped back n forth between ICE and EV. Be interesting to see where he leads the company.
    • Jim Hackett's tenure as Ford CEO will be coming to a close on October 1st as he will retire from the position. His replacement is Jim Farley, currently Ford's Chief Operating Officer, a role he took on at the beginning of this year. In a press release, Ford said the two will be working together over the next two months on the transition. Hackett will stay on as "special advisor" for some time after. “I am very grateful to Jim Hackett for all he has done to modernize Ford and prepare us to compete and win in the future. Our new product vision – led by the Mustang Mach-E, new F-150 and Bronco family – is taking shape. We now have compelling plans for electric and autonomous vehicles, as well as full vehicle connectivity. And we are becoming much more nimble, which was apparent when we quickly mobilized to make life-saving equipment at the outset of the pandemic,” said Ford executive chairman, Bill Ford. Hackett became Ford's CEO in 2017 after the ousting of then CEO Mark Fields. His short tenure brought forth some major and controversial decisions such as Ford killing off most of their passenger car nameplates to focus on trucks and utility vehicles; spending $11 billion in electric vehicles by 2022, and the introductions of the Mach-E, 2021 F-150, and Bronco. He has also dealt with a lot frustration from various groups as The Detroit News outlines, Hackett admitted that his tenure did cause a fair amount of friction, but said his efforts are starting to show. "I aimed for moving ahead versus just moving fast. Could we aim for a longer-arc kind of reward. In this case, for the three years it takes to get products to market, you're starting to see the fruits of our labor." Farley, who has been with Ford since 2007, knows he has a tough road ahead. Aside from realizing the various paths laid out by Hackett, he also has to deal with the issues of the COVID-19 pandemic and hopefully launch two of Ford's key product without any issues. Source: Ford Press Release is on Page 2 FORD ANNOUNCES JIM HACKETT TO RETIRE AS PRESIDENT AND CEO; JIM FARLEY TO SUCCEED HACKETT AS COMPANY CONTINUES TRANSFORMATION Jim Hackett, who has led Ford Motor Company’s transformation since 2017 as president and CEO, has elected to retire from the company Jim Farley, currently chief operating officer, becomes president and CEO of Ford effective Oct. 1. He was also elected to the Ford board of directors. He will work closely with Jim Hackett on the transition over the next two months Seamless CEO transition underscores strength of Ford’s leadership team, succession planning, and company progress over the past three years, Executive Chairman Bill Ford says DEARBORN, Mich., Aug. 4, 2020 – Ford Motor Company today announced that Jim Hackett, who has led the company’s transformation since 2017, plans to retire from the company. Jim Farley has been named the company’s new president and CEO and will join the board of directors, effective Oct. 1. Hackett, 65, and Farley, 58, will work together on a smooth leadership transition over the next two months. Under Hackett, Ford moved aggressively into the new era of smart vehicles and drove a deeper focus on customers’ wants and needs. At the same time, Ford improved the fitness of the base business – restructuring operations, invigorating the product portfolio and reducing bureaucracy. “I am very grateful to Jim Hackett for all he has done to modernize Ford and prepare us to compete and win in the future,” said Bill Ford, Ford’s executive chairman. “Our new product vision – led by the Mustang Mach-E, new F-150 and Bronco family – is taking shape. We now have compelling plans for electric and autonomous vehicles, as well as full vehicle connectivity. And we are becoming much more nimble, which was apparent when we quickly mobilized to make life-saving equipment at the outset of the pandemic.” Farley, an automotive leader with deep global experience and a successful track record, collaborated with Hackett over the past three years to develop and execute Ford’s Creating Tomorrow Together plan to transform Ford into a higher-growth, higher-margin business. “Jim Farley matches an innate feel for cars and customers with great instincts for the future and the new technologies that are changing our industry,” Bill Ford said. “Jim’s passion for great vehicles and his intense drive for results are well known, and I have also seen him develop into a transformational leader with the determination and foresight to help Ford thrive into the future.” Farley joined Ford in 2007 as global head of Marketing and Sales and went on to lead Lincoln, Ford South America, Ford of Europe and all Ford global markets in successive roles. In April 2019, Farley was chosen to lead Ford’s New Businesses, Technology & Strategy team, helping the company determine how to capitalize on powerful forces reshaping the industry – such as software platforms, connectivity, AI, automation and new forms of propulsion. He was named chief operating officer in February of this year. Hackett, who will continue as a special advisor to Ford through March of 2021, said the time is right to pass the mantle of leadership to Jim Farley. “My goal when I took on the CEO role was to prepare Ford to win in the future,” Hackett said. “The hardest thing for a proud, long-lived company to do is change to meet the challenges of the world it’s entering rather than the world it has known. I’m very proud of how far we have come in creating a modern Ford and I am very optimistic about the future. “I have worked side-by-side with Jim Farley for the past three years and have the greatest confidence in him as a person and a leader,” Hackett said. “He has been instrumental in crafting our new product portfolio and redesigning our businesses around the world. He is also a change agent with a deep understanding of how to lead Ford in this new era defined by smart vehicles in a smart world.” Said Farley: “I love Ford and I am honored by the opportunity to serve and create value for Ford’s employees, customers, dealers, communities and all of our stakeholders. Jim Hackett has laid the foundation for a really vibrant future and we have made tremendous progress in the past three years. I am so excited to work together with the whole Ford team to realize the full potential of this great company in a new era.” View full article
    • I had sooooo wanted to post a 1955 Chieftain when I posted the Buick pic a couple of days ago. I just ran out of steam. I have been tired from work these past few days.  I was just too lazy to search for the perfect picture of one. But then Balthy posted the front end.   Great minds think alike. So Ill do Balthy, myself and the car some justice right now.  
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