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    New York 2018: 2019 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Coupe and Cabriolet Follow in the Sedan's Footsteps

      Its all about the small changes


    Mercedes-Benz used the Geneva Motor Show to introduce an updated version of the C-Class sedan. Next week at the New York Auto Show, Mercedes will follow this up with the introduction of the 2019 C-Class coupe and cabriolet.

    The exterior is slightly re-worked with a new grille and LED head and taillights. C43 models feature more prominent diffuser and circular exhaust tips at the rear.  Inside, all C-Class coupes and cabriolets get a larger 10.25-inch infotainment screen as standard. A 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster is available as an option.

    The C 300's turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder sees a slight boost in horsepower from 241 to 255. On the other end, the C43's 3.0L twin-turbo V6 sees horsepower bumped from 362 to 385. 

    On the safety front, the C-Class coupe and cabriolet can be optioned with the Intelligent Drive suite of driver assistance technologies. This includes adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring, lane keep assist, land change assist, active steering assist, and automatic emergency braking.

    Like the 2019 C-Class sedan, the coupe and cabriolet will be available at Mercedes dealers later this year.

    Source: Mercedes-Benz
    Press Release is on Page 2


    The new C-Class Coupe and Cabriolet

    • The two-door C-Class models are now even sportier

    Mar 20, 2018 – Stuttgart: Just a few weeks after the world premiere of the newly updated C-Class sedan and wagon, the two-door version of the C-Class appears in top form with the redesigned coupe and cabriolet. Sportiness and driving pleasure have been enhanced with a sharper design, digital cockpit and new, more powerful engines. The new, efficient four-cylinder engine on the C 300 and C 300 4MATIC models and upgraded AMG-enhanced 3.0-liter V6 in the Mercedes-AMG C 43 4MATIC underscore the dynamic nature of this highly emotional and appealing C-Class model. The redesigned 2019 C- Class Coupe and Cabriolet will be celebrating their World Premiere at the New York International Auto Show in March 2018 and will go on sale in the U.S. by late 2018.

    The secret of the C-Class's success is partly due to the wide model range, also including two sporty two-door versions: the coupe, launched at the end of 2015, and the cabriolet, launched in 2016, each address the heart and mind in equal measure.

    Shortly after the redesigned C-Class Sedan was introduced, the two-door models too are benefiting from extensive revisions. The most important enhancements at a glance:

    • New four-cylinder engine for sporty driving pleasure with high efficiency
    • Advancement of the sporty design in particular at the front and tail end, new light-alloy wheels, new colors
    • Standard LED High Performance headlamps with new design; optional LED Intelligent headlamps with ULTRA WIDE Highbeam
    • Enhanced interior with larger central media display equipped as standard (10.25 inches), optionally available digital instrument cluster (12.3 inches) and new multifunction steering wheel with Touch Control Buttons. Many opportunities for individualization, e.g. through new Natural Grain trim elements
    • Future-oriented driving assistance systems from Mercedes-Benz with S-Class functions and cooperative driver support

    Sport plus efficiency: new four-cylinder

    The following C-Class Coupe and models are available:

    Coupe

    C 300

    C 300
    4MATIC

    AMG C 43

    Cylinders/arrangement

    4/in-line

    4/in-line

    6/V

    Displacement (cc)

    1,991

    1,991

    2,996

    Output (hp)

    255

    255

    385

    at rpm

    5,800-6,100

    5,800-6,100

    6,100

    Max. torque (lb-ft)

    273

    273

    384

    at rpm

    1,800-4,000

    1,800-4,000

    2,500-5,000

    Acceleration 0-60 mph (s)

    5.9 est.

    5.9 est.

    4.5 est.

    Top speed (mph)
    (electronically limited)

    130

    130

    130

     

    Cabriolet

    C 300

    C 300
    4MATIC

    AMG C 43

    Cylinders/arrangement

    4/in-line

    4/in-line

    6/V

    Displacement (cc)

    1,991

    1,991

    2,996

    Output (hp)

    255

    255

    385

    at rpm

    5,800-6,100

    5,800-6,100

    6,100

    Max. torque (lb-ft)

    273

    273

    384

    at rpm

    1,800-4,000

    1,800-4,000

    2,500-5,000

    Acceleration
    0-60 mph (s)

    6.1 est.

    6.2 est.

    4.6 est.

    Top speed (mph)
    (electronically limited)

    130

    130

    130

    More powerful, more efficient engine

    The 2019 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Coupe and Cabriolet will also benefit from a new 2.0-liter inline-4 turbo engine that produces 255 hp (vs. 241 previously), an increase in 14 hp, and 273 lb-ft of torque. The Coupe and Cabriolet are also equipped with a 9G-TRONIC 9-speed automatic transmission that affords a dynamic driving experience.

    Mercedes-AMG: More performance for the C 43

    With a multitude of carefully coordinated measures the AMG developers have enhanced the vehicle dynamics even further. The AMG-enhanced 3.0-liter V6 engine now produces 385 hp (vs. 362 hp previously), an increase in 23 hp. The peak torque of 384 lb-ft is available in a wide engine speed range from 2,500 to 5,000 rpm. The new C 43 Coupe accelerates from a standstill to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds (estimated), and the Cabriolet in 4.6 seconds (estimated).

    4MATIC all-wheel drive: Traction even in difficult road conditions

    At market launch the C 300 is available with 4MATIC permanent all-wheel drive for improved traction and driving stability, especially in adverse road conditions. The 4MATIC has an active all-wheel torque distribution of 45 % to the front and 55 % to the rear. As ever, the combination of the ESP® driving dynamics control system with the 4ETS electronic traction system makes regular differential locks superfluous. This saves weight and noticeably improves handling safety as well as ride comfort.

    The all-wheel drive is standard equipment for the Mercedes-AMG C 43, and features rear-biased torque distribution with a front/rear axle split of 31 to 69 percent.

    More dynamic design and LED High Performance headlamps as standard

    The newly redesigned C-Class combines emotion with intelligence. The vehicle's appearance is defined in particular by its front and tail end and the design of the headlamps and taillamps.

    The front design exudes sportiness at first glance. Powerful styling elements such as the new bumper and the standard-fit diamond radiator grille lend the two-door C-Class models an individual character. The standard-fit LED High Performance headlamps have a new design that lends an especially distinctive appearance. For the first time in this model series, LED Intelligent headlamps with ULTRA WIDE high beam are additionally available (see below for details).

    The rear appears broad and agile, thanks to dynamic details and a standard-fit two-pipe exhaust system. A particular highlight both day and night are the revised, more accentuated all-LED taillamps.

    The sporty design features are heightened with the AMG Line. For example, the AMG Line exterior includes the diamond radiator grille with chrome pins plus an AMG-specific front bumper with new geometry, sporty air intakes and its chromed trim element. The exterior with the Night Package sports an even more athletic look with its black design features. These include the black trim elements in the AMG front bumper and the AMG rear bumper plus exterior mirror housings painted in high-gloss black.

    The paint color spectrum has also been broadened. New colors are Mojave Silver Metallic and – exclusively for the coupe and cabriolet within the C-Class family: Graphite Grey.

    Digital cockpit

    The sporty interior with its individual integral-look seats is characterized by further-enhanced perceived quality and flowing shapes and the facelift takes it into the digital era.

    The center console is characterized by an elegant flowing trim element with new materials: Natural Grain Brown Walnut or Natural Grain Grey Oak.
    Magma Grey/Black are newly available as interior colors.

    The KEYLESS-GO starting function is standard. The start/stop button comes in a new turbine-look design. The vehicle key also features a new design.

    On the cabriolet, the soft top can be operated from the outside with the vehicle key and the "Open/Close" buttons.

    An eye on the future: fully digital instrument cluster available as an option

    The standard multimedia display above the center console has a 10.25-inch screen. The C-Class also features a new optional, fully-digital instrument cluster with the three visually distinguishable styles "Classic," "Sport" and "Progressive," which also transform the look of the central display when equipped with this option.

    The C-Class has touch-sensitive controls in the steering wheel that respond to swiping motions like the screen of a smartphone. They enable the driver to control the functions of the instrument cluster and of the entire infotainment system without having to take their hands off the steering wheel. The operation of DISTRONIC and cruise control with controls directly on the steering wheel is another new feature.

    The infotainment system can additionally be operated via the touchpad with controller (new: haptic feedback) in the center console or by means of voice control. Vehicle functions such as the seat heating can now also be voice controlled. The optional head-up display is now adjustable over an even wider range.

    Future-oriented assistance systems on a par with the S-Class

    The new C-Class features the latest Mercedes-Benz driving assistance systems offering the driver cooperative support, and therefore provides a higher level of active safety than its predecessor. The C-Class is able to drive semi- autonomously in certain situations. To do this it keeps a close eye on the traffic situation: improved camera and radar systems allow it to see up to approximately 1,640 feet (500 m) ahead. The vehicle's surroundings are scanned by radar across a distance of up to approximately 820 feet (250 m) to the front, 130 feet (40 m) to the sides and 260 feet (80 m) to the rear, while with the camera a range of up to 1,640 feet (500 m) is possible to the front, including 295 feet (90 m) in 3D.

    The C-Class also uses map and navigation data for assistance functions. For example, Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC as part of the Driver Assistance Package is able to give the driver map-based support in numerous situations, and predictively adjust the speed e.g. when approaching bends, junctions or roundabouts. Other new developments include intuitively understandable Active Lane Change Assist and Active Emergency Stop Assist as new functions of Active Steering Assist.

    The new C-Class comes with extended Active Brake Assist as standard. Depending on the situation, this can help to mitigate the consequences of rear- end collisions with slow-moving, stopping or stationary vehicles ahead, and even with crossing pedestrians and cyclists, or prevent them altogether.

    LED Intelligent headlamps: Optimum visibility in all conditions

    LED Intelligent headlamps are new and available on request in the coupe and cabriolet. These allow electronically controlled adjustment of the headlamps to suit the current traffic situation.

    In high-beam mode, Adaptive Highbeam Assist Plus enables continuous long- range illumination of the road ahead. When no other road user is detected, the road ahead is straight and the vehicle speed is above 25 mph, ULTRA WIDE high beam is switched on automatically. When there are oncoming vehicles or vehicles ahead, the high beam is automatically switched off. The ULTRA WIDE high beams are always active only if high beam mode has been manually switched on.

    The multimedia systems: Tailor-made information and music offerings

    The C-Class comes as standard featuring Apple CarPlayTM and Android Auto smartphone integration, two USB ports, an SD card reader, Bluetooth connection and media interface.

    The latest-generation COMAND Navigation available as optional equipment offers fast 3D hard-disc navigation with topographical map display, photo- realistic 3D buildings and 3D map rotations. Comprehensive information is displayed on the navigation map: in addition to real-time traffic density information it can e.g. include Car-to-X warning messages, the weather, filling stations including current fuel prices and free parking spaces.

    With the Concierge service (included for one year in conjunction with COMAND, and available as a subscription service thereafter), Mercedes me connect customers have a host of individual services at their disposal: from making restaurant reservations and obtaining tips about tourist routes, to gathering information on cultural or sporting events and sending navigation destinations directly to the vehicle.

    The C-Class uses NFC technology

    Mobile devices corresponding to the Qi standard can be charged conveniently while on the move with the optional wireless charging system. The charging surface in the quick stowage tray at the front of the center console is also suitable for large smartphones.

    Both C-Class Coupe and Cabriolet models are produced at the Mercedes-Benz Bremen plant. The redesigned 2019 C-Class Coupe and Cabriolet will be celebrating their World Premiere at the New York International Auto Show in March 2018 and will go on sale in the U.S. by late 2018.



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    19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Everyone likes LED lights, more power and bigger screens, so nice little improvements. 

    More power is the only thing I like in your list there.

    LED lights?

    Cool, I guess. Neat feature. Like chrome trim was back in the day. But it aint something that makes or breaks a deal for me.

    Bigger screens?

    The only bigger screen I want is bigger windows so I could see where the phoque Im driving...because I actually...um...drive. I like to look out the damned window when I.....um....drive.  Im not into TV screens on my console. I prefer buttons. No...I dont talk to my car to turn on the heat. I talk to my wife to turn HER heat on if you know what I mean...

    So...the more power part is the only thing I like.  The only thing I get excited for. That and when I get my wife excited...SHE still turns me on!  

     

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    What a BLAND auto, no Passion at all! :nono:

    A RWD 2dr convertible has 'no passion'??   BS.   Cadillac needs something like this...something fun instead of more boring, bland transverse engine FWD CUV lease appliances....

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    3 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    A RWD 2dr convertible has 'no passion'??   BS.   Cadillac needs something like this...something fun instead of more boring, bland transverse engine FWD CUV lease appliances....

    Or at the very least, some CUVs and SUVs that have sporty intentions...

    BMW and Mercedes offers those too...even though I dont like ANY CUV or SUV short of a Wrangler, I do recognize trends in the market place...

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    3 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Or at the very least, some CUVs and SUVs that have sporty intentions...

    BMW and Mercedes offers those too...even though I dont like ANY CUV or SUV short of a Wrangler, I do recognize trends in the market place...

    And BMW and M-Bs SUVs are RWD/AWD SUVs, not generic FWD/AWD transverse engine CUV appliances...(not talking about the entry level shit like the X1 and GLA, but the good stuff).  GM doesn't even have a RWD/AWD SUV unibody platform; so Cadillac gets stuck with the FWD/AWD transverse engine CUV appliances..

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    19 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    A RWD 2dr convertible has 'no passion'??   BS.   Cadillac needs something like this...something fun instead of more boring, bland transverse engine FWD CUV lease appliances....

    It is all yours, never got the convertible thing, does nothing for me. I have to laugh at the waste of seats in the rear as you can see they are useless when any real person drives and then they pull them up to make the rear headrests look like big space from the front headrests and yet they are then so close to the dash which means only small people can drive the car.

    As far as the look goes, BLAND, Dash just looks cheap and as I said your welcome to the Convertible thing, and all the skin cancer that goes with it. Just never saw or got the convertible thing even when riding in them, no big deal to me, but I do acknowledge that to others they love that open air driving.

    MEH, I take an MB CUV over this every day!

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    We know, you can only appreciate vehicles that can seat NBA players or NFL linebackers.  You can't seem to comprehend that not everyone wants or needs a 6000lb SUV.

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    12 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    We know, you can only appreciate vehicles that can seat NBA players or NFL linebackers.  You can't seem to comprehend that not everyone wants or needs a 6000lb SUV.

    I dont  need or want a 6000 lbs SUV.

    I do however want a 6000 lbs sedan or coupe. I dont need that either. But I want one. 

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    But Ill take a small convertible if anybody offered me one. 

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    *SIGH*

    Cadillac does NOT offer a car like this Benz though, so my choices are limited if I wanted to spend  a good chunk of my money on a small convertible and I wanted a luxury oriented convertible. Sure there is the Camaro convertible, but I want to buy something from a luxury brand....

    Yup...Benz it is! 

    So yeah...I  too call bullshyte MR. DFELT on the C Class convertible lacking passion!

    PS: It dont matter if the dash "looks" cheap...

    The 3 pointed Star up front is what counts...THAT is THE point!

     

     

     

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    I hate the rear end of the c-class; THAT at least is unquestionably bland, plus I get a strong toyota solara vibe off it. The rest of the car is fine, tho I wish MB would go back to distinguishing the noses on all their model lines from each other.

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    15 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    I hate the rear end of the c-class; THAT at least is unquestionably bland, plus I get a strong toyota solara vibe off it. The rest of the car is fine, tho I wish MB would go back to distinguishing the noses on all their model lines from each other.

    They were going for a consistent rear end with their other 4 seat 2drs--E-class, S-class, AMG GT all have similar rounded tails with horizontal lights, for better or for worse... 

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    It is all yours, never got the convertible thing, does nothing for me. I have to laugh at the waste of seats in the rear as you can see they are useless when any real person drives and then they pull them up to make the rear headrests look like big space from the front headrests and yet they are then so close to the dash which means only small people can drive the car.

    As far as the look goes, BLAND, Dash just looks cheap and as I said your welcome to the Convertible thing, and all the skin cancer that goes with it. Just never saw or got the convertible thing even when riding in them, no big deal to me, but I do acknowledge that to others they love that open air driving.

    MEH, I take an MB CUV over this every day!

    It's ironic that you defend the size of the 4 door ATS and how absurdly small the back seat is yet you get on a 2 door convertible for its back seat space.. go on.. :retard:

    LOL serously?!?! your defense for not wanting a convertible is mo-fckn SKIN CANCER?!? GTFO. 

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    15 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    It's ironic that you defend the size of the 4 door ATS and how absurdly small the back seat is yet you get on a 2 door convertible for its back seat space.. go on.. :retard:

    LOL serously?!?! your defense for not wanting a convertible is mo-fckn SKIN CANCER?!? GTFO. 

    Yeah, his obsession w/ full size SUVs and slagging on cars about rear seat room gets so one-note and tiresome...

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    13 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yeah, his obsession w/ full size SUVs and slagging on cars about rear seat room gets so one-note and tiresome...

    His posts are as predictable as they get. Every car thread gets the same comments, every SUV thread gets the same comments, and everything needs to be EV. Rinse and repeat. 

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    I really like this Benz... probably the best looking option in the respective segments, though those segments are rather thin.  I would put the Infiniti Q60 as a very close second place for coupes.   If Genesis ever does a G70 Coupe, it would also be an interesting entry. 

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    The Infiniti Q60 has got to be the most prettiest car in its class. Its got lines that only Italian car designers could only achieve. And that is definitely a good thing.  

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    It's ironic that you defend the size of the 4 door ATS and how absurdly small the back seat is yet you get on a 2 door convertible for its back seat space.. go on.. :retard:

    LOL serously?!?! your defense for not wanting a convertible is mo-fckn SKIN CANCER?!? GTFO. 

    Being a skin cancer survivor and having my face redone makes one think twice about being in the sun and especially in a convertible, but like I said even before I had cancer I never got the convertible thing. The rear seats, why bother, just make is storage room and give the front seats that much more room to be adjustable.

    1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yeah, his obsession w/ full size SUVs and slagging on cars about rear seat room gets so one-note and tiresome...

    Same as your obsession about cars.

    Both of you do the same Shampoo, Rinse, Repeat!

    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I really like this Benz... probably the best looking option in the respective segments, though those segments are rather thin.  I would put the Infiniti Q60 as a very close second place for coupes.   If Genesis ever does a G70 Coupe, it would also be an interesting entry. 

    But why bother with the back seats?

    You could give so much more room to the front two people with more adjustable seat options if you just made that unusable seat area storage area. I never got that even in the tight pony cars.

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    3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    But why bother with the back seats?

    You could give so much more room to the front two people with more adjustable seat options if you just made that unusable seat area storage area. I never got that even in the tight pony cars.

    Has to do with EPA classifications and such. That's why some cars like the FR-S/86 have back seats, but they're basically unusable. 

    Plus, MB already has 2-seater convertibles. You can still put kids in the back seat of a C-Class Cabrio

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    10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Both of you do the same Shampoo, Rinse, Repeat!

    That's not true at all. We enjoy more than 1 style of vehicle. 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I really like this Benz... probably the best looking option in the respective segments, though those segments are rather thin.  I would put the Infiniti Q60 as a very close second place for coupes.   If Genesis ever does a G70 Coupe, it would also be an interesting entry. 

    A Genesis coupe would be interesting.  I saw a Q60 up close and personal in a parking lot the other day, they really are sharp in person.  It was a medium/dark blue...lots of interesting contours.

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    7 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    A Genesis coupe would be interesting.  I saw a Q60 up close and personal in a parking lot the other day, they really are sharp in person.  It was a medium/dark blue...lots of interesting contours.

    Yes... this. Dark Blue is the color I'd pick also. 

    It's been a long time since a Japanese car has caught my eye.  It was probably the original Infiniti G-coupe too. 

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    I have a buddy in Denver that had a G37 coupe in a silver blue, was a sharp car..of all things, the manual transmission failed and had to be replaced under warranty..

    The Q60 I saw looked like this..

    Edit: this color is Iridium Blue.  They also have a light silver blue called Hagane Blue. 

     

    Infiniti_Q601_by_Dennis_Malcolm_Byron-1200x700.jpg

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    1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I have a buddy in Denver that had a G37 coupe in a silver blue, was a sharp car..of all things, the manual transmission failed and had to be replaced under warranty..

    The Q60 I saw looked like this..

     

     

    Infiniti_Q601_by_Dennis_Malcolm_Byron-1200x700.jpg

    :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

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    Speaking of Infiniti... Their Q50 Hybrid seems like one hell of a bargain on the used market. Makes me want one really bad. I really like the updated(whenever the current gen came out) styling and it seems like it'd be a fantastic daily driver. 

    One example: Q50 Hybrid

    The miles and price vary some but you could get in one for less than 25k with what I would still consider lower miles, <40k. 

    Another: Another Q50 Hybrid

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    If I'm going used bang for buck daily entry lux sedan with ICE I'm not fond of, I would probably just get a CTS VSport and put up with CUE.  The MPG on the Infiniti would definitely nice with the gas prices as they are up here currently.

     

     

     

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    Too bad Cadillac doesn't know how to design the rear 1/3 of a coupe. They call it quits at the end of the door and just sh!t all over the floor instead. 

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    3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Has to do with EPA classifications and such. That's why some cars like the FR-S/86 have back seats, but they're basically unusable. 

    Plus, MB already has 2-seater convertibles. You can still put kids in the back seat of a C-Class Cabrio

    I am 6'2" and can sit in the back seat of an E-class convertible, it has a very usable back seat.  The C-class convertible rear seat is small, I think I tried sitting in one once and it is tight, more for kids, but at least it is there.  It is no worse than the 3rd row in most SUVs which can only fit kids.

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Too bad Cadillac doesn't know how to design the rear 1/3 of a coupe. They call it quits at the end of the door and just sh!t all over the floor instead. 

    [shudder]

    Infiniti_Q60S_3.0t_AWD_Sport_Tech_(V37)_–_Heckansicht,_21._April_2017,_Düsseldorf.jpg

     

    THIS, while not especially remarkable, is 1000 times more appealing :

    2016-atsv-coupe-07-rear.jpg

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    4 hours ago, balthazar said:

    [shudder]

    Infiniti_Q60S_3.0t_AWD_Sport_Tech_(V37)_–_Heckansicht,_21._April_2017,_Düsseldorf.jpg

     

    THIS, while not especially remarkable, is 1000 times more appealing :

    2016-atsv-coupe-07-rear.jpg

    Based 100% on looks, I’d take the rear end of the Infiniti. 

    The ATS Coupe does look way better than the last CTS Coupe. Boy did I hate that thing. 

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    22 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Based 100% on looks, I’d take the rear end of the Infiniti. 

    The ATS Coupe does look way better than the last CTS Coupe. Boy did I hate that thing. 

    ATS V beats Infiniti

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    The lower you go the bigger any spoiler looks but when your right behind it, it looks well balanced and far better than the Jelly Bean Rear of the Infiniti.

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Based 100% on looks, I’d take the rear end of the Infiniti.

    Being brutally honest; I'm totally amazed by this.

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    7 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Being brutally honest; I'm totally amazed by this.

    I have to agree with @ccap41.  Looks wise I think Infiniti is much better, especially rear IMPO.

    I like ATS sedan a lot but I never liked how they did the coupe personally.  I think the rear quarter looks very awkward.

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    Not crazy about the kink in the rear windows but otherwise the design and lines are much more cohesive in Q60.

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    10 minutes ago, ykX said:

    I have to agree with @ccap41.  Looks wise I think Infiniti is much better, especially rear IMPO.

    I like ATS sedan a lot but I never liked how they did the coupe personally.  I think the rear quarter looks very awkward.

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    Not crazy about the kink in the rear windows but otherwise the design and lines are much more cohesive in Q60.

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    Toss in the Lexus RC, a bit busier styling and more detailing in the rear quarters..

     

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    Interesting. To my eye, the Q60 looks like pieces from 10 different cars were glued together, with a thin coat of bondo to try and smooth out the seams. It's a bewildering array of disharmonious lines. Those little plastic 'mud flaps' behind the  wheels, the tacked-on scoop on the front fender, the way toyota couldn't be bothered to make the quarter window 'black out' match the shape of the glass - too many pieces/lines; it's hugely incohesive.

    The lexus RC above (which could easily be from the same brand it's so remarkably similar) is noticably better... but we can't see either fascia from the profile view. ;)

    Like I stated- the ATS coupe isn't knocking socks off, but it's got a 'carved from one piece' look without being overwrought.

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    8 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Being brutally honest; I'm totally amazed by this.

    Cadillac can't make pretty coupes. They haven't for quite awhile now and it's all in the rear 1/3 of the vehicle. 

    1 hour ago, ykX said:

    I have to agree with @ccap41.  Looks wise I think Infiniti is much better, especially rear IMPO.

    I like ATS sedan a lot but I never liked how they did the coupe personally.  I think the rear quarter looks very awkward.

    vehicles-ats-coupe-trims-standard.png?im

    Not crazy about the kink in the rear windows but otherwise the design and lines are much more cohesive in Q60.

    2018-infiniti-q60-q60_2.0t_pure-small.jp

    Yeah! It's everything behind the doors that is just botched. It's like the quit trying and just pulled the body back to the required distances and said, "it's done."

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    You could replace this flat and bland section with a part of their Silverado bed and you'd never know the difference(I hope you grasp the sarcasm). 

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    @Cubical-aka-Moltar Personally, not crazy about Germans as well. Audi is probably the worst offender.  

    I think it is pretty hard to make a good looking coupe when the starting point a sedan. I think Q60 looks better mainly because the design is a bigger departure from Q50

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    I agree with that order almost 100% except I'd throw the ATS behind all of them.. It's like an eye sore in the middle of all of those coupes(in that angle). 

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    Challenger does the B pillar best, it’s not there. I thought the Mustang was like that as well but it looks like it might be from that pic. 

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    9 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Challenger does the B pillar best, it’s not there. I thought the Mustang was like that as well but it looks like it might be from that pic. 

    It's there on the Challenger, hidden by the glass like on the ATS, Q60 and Mustang. 

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    MB came SO CLOSE but still had to 'cheap out' & have that little fixed quarter window there instead of engineering a pivoting pane. Like this: fully retractable side glass, no fixed panes ~

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    8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    MB came SO CLOSE but still had to 'cheap out' & have that little fixed quarter window there instead of engineering a pivoting pane. Like this: fully retractable side glass, no fixed panes ~

     

    The Cadillac had a long wheelbase that allowed for the window to drop down...the M-B wheelbase isn't long enough for that kind of clearance..

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    Which reminds me...

    My favorite car of all time is EXACTLY what you folk are kvetching about...(the wheelbase of MY favorite car of all time just ekes it out, I guess!) 

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    I aint judging here..but none of those coupes hold a candle to MY favorite car of all time...

    Wait a minute...I lied...here comes the JUDGE!

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    Its all about the roll-over safety.

    Yes...yes...the M-B coupe's roof is engineered to not collapse in case of a roll-over....

    I applaud the fact that Mercedes Benz went all out to make a pillar-less roof. Its a good thing in my book. 

    But for modern coupes....

    This is my #1 side profile that I prefer.

     

     

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    Tied with this guy

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    2nd place belongs to this guy

    2015-ford-mustang-side-exterior-view_100499750_l.jpgAnd then everybody else...

     

    What I like about this guy

    Mercedes-Benz-E-Class_Coupe-2017-1280-18

     

    1. pillar-less roof line

    2. Long hood, short deck styling. But they all do that...

    3. That is about it. The lines are just as conservatively boring as the ATS coupe.   

    If you noticed, the Infiniti, The Challenger anf the Mustang all have hips....I like hips. I like curvy. In my women and in my cars... 

    The Mercedes Benz and the ATS are androgynous, sexless... 

    Not my style man.  Not. My. Style. 

     

     

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    • ^ See that fixed black pillar above the rear wheel? IMO that's not a pillarless roofline.

    • RE the '59 vs. the MB as pictured above- the MB has a much higher relative beltline & shorter glass, and both cars have the rearward point of the window ending well over the rear wheel... but only 1 of those 2 engineered a way to lower that whole pane of glass- the one with the bigger challenge to do so logistically.

    • Not seeing anything (modern) pictured on this page stirring my soul. I kinda like the Audi out on the road, it sometimes catches my eye, but in the pic above it just looks... weird/unpleasant. Also VERY depressing how --other than the Challenger-- every modern car is doing the exact same thing with the upper & lower horizontal bodyside peaks. Anyone going to try and do their own thing, ever?? 

    The infiniti is easily the worst/most awkward, the BMW is the most dated/boring. Base ATS in that straight profile also looking a bit boring.  The white MB looks decent, but there's a noticible distortion in the photo making either end appear truncated.

    It seems tough to balance clean vs. cluttered design and still get everything cohesive. Most of the above still look like pieces from multiple vehicles pasted together. The red MB is clean, no wierdness, but it looks like it could have been built in 2005. Probably the MOST cohesive design here is the Challenger, and I do like it, but it's also been around a while. No 9s or 10s for me.

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    3 hours ago, balthazar said:

    • ^ See that fixed black pillar above the rear wheel? IMO that's not a pillarless roofline.

    I'd say it's a hardtop.  There is no full B-pillar directly behind the door.  That's just a small fixed window at the back of the window opening. 

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    If you put the rear window down that black piece goes down and it is all open.  The black piece is only there to seal the windows when up.  S-class is the same way.

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    7 hours ago, balthazar said:

    s-class doesn't have that fixed quarter window- it's not the same way.

     Looks like the S-class has smaller windows and a longer wheelbase.

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      The AMG GLA 35 comes with a 2.0-liter 4-cylinder with 302 horsepower at 5,800 RPM and 295 lb-ft of torque at 3,000 - 4,000 RPM. And uses a modified version of the 8-speed DCT. Zero to 60 is estimated at 5.0 seconds.
      GLA 250 models equipped with 4Matic come with an Off-Road Engineering Package as standard.  It is an extra drive mode that adapts the characteristics of the 4Matic system and changes power delivery and ABS intervention.  The gauge cluster will present an animation of gradient, inclination angle, and technical settings to help the driver through the situation. 
      4Matic has been updated from being hydraulically activated to electro-mechanically activated.  In normal mode, the system splits torque 80:20 front:rear.  Sport mode changes that ratio to 70:30, while off-road mode moves it to 50:50. Being electro-mechanically operated allows the 4Matic system to be more efficient by not having to drive hydraulic pumps. 
      The GLA 250 is available with a host of driver assistance packages. They include:
      Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC with the functions: braking for stationary vehicles, extended automatic restarting in traffic jams in conjunction with Active Parking Assist and navigation, activation of "Gliding" in the ECO drive mode, Active Steering Assist with the functions: Active Emergency Braking Assist – with automatic unlocking and placement of an SOS call to the Mercedes-Benz emergency call center after the vehicle has come to a stop (depending on country) Active Lane Change Assist in conjunction with navigation, Emergency lane function: in freeway traffic jams at speeds below approx. 37 mph. Active Speed Limit Assist with reaction to changes in speed limits in conjunction with Traffic Sign Assist, Route-based speed adjustment when approaching bends, roundabouts, toll stations, T-junctions and before leaving highways – reduction of vehicle speed when encountering the end of a traffic jam, in conjunction with navigation, Evasive Steering Assist, Active Lane Keeping Assist, Active Blind Spot Assist, Active Brake Assist with cross-traffic function, PRE-SAFE PLUS: can detect a potential rear impact. If the danger of a collision persists, the system can also firmly apply the brakes of the stationary vehicle, minimizing the risk of whiplash injuries by reducing the forward jolt caused by an impact from the rear. The interior of the GLA is quite similar to the A-Class sedan. Mercedes MBUX is there and can be activated by voice simply by saying "Hey Mercedes". 
      AMG 35
      The GLA AMG 35 gets an AMG tuned suspension, including an optional ride control system that allows the driver to select between three different drive modes.  A high performance braking system with 13.8 inch disks up front and 13.0 inch disks in the rear is included. There is a speed-sensitive variable ratio steering that changes the amount of assistance offered at different speeds. The AMG also gets a special exhaust system with a gas flap to change the sound dynamics of the car depending on mode, engine speed, and engine load. 
      The exterior of the AMG GLA 35 gets a different front fascia from the regular GLA 250, fitting in with the rest of the AMG lineup. 
      The GLA 250 goes on sale Summer of 2020 with the AMG following after that.
       
       
      New GLA
      Predecessor
      Diff.
      Exterior dimensions
      Length
      in
      173.6
      174.2
      -0.6
      Width
      in
      72.2
      71.0
      +1.2
      Width incl. exterior mirrors
      in
      79.5
      79.6
      -0.1
      Height
      in
      63.4
      59.3
      +4.1
      Wheelbase
      in
      107.4
      106.3
      +1.1
      Track, front
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Track, rear
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Interior dimensions*
      Max. front headroom
      in
      40.8
      40.0
      +0.8
      Headroom, rear
      in
      38.1
      38.4
      -0.3
      Legroom, front
      in
      41.1
      41.9
      -0.8
      Legroom, rear
      in
      38.4
      33.9
      +4.5
      Elbow room, front
      in
      57.3
      56.0
      +1.3
      Elbow room, rear
      in
      57.3
      55.5
      +1.8
      Shoulder room, front
      in
      55.9
      54.8
      +1.1
      Shoulder room, rear
      in
      54.8
      53.1
      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5
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