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    Rumorpile: Cadillac's Upcoming 4.2L Twin-Turbo V8 To Appear in Escalade, CTS-V?

      See if you can spot the odd vehicle out!

    Back at the New York Auto Show, Cadillac unveiled an all-new twin-turbo 4.2L V8 that produces 550 horsepower and 627 pound-feet of torque. This engine was destined for upcoming CT6 V-Sport. But with the CT6 lineup destined to go away in the near future, what will happen to the new V8.

    Roadshow has learned from a source that Cadillac will be using this engine in the next-generation Escalade and CTS-V (don't you mean CT5-V?!).

    Let's begin with the next-generation Escalade. The current model uses a 6.2L V8 engine that makes 420 horsepower and 460 pound-feet of torque. We know that Cadillac was planning to offer a slightly detuned version of the 4.2L V8 on the regular CT6, producing somewhere in the range of 500 horsepower. Whether Cadillac decides to go with this or push power down a bit further remains to be seen.

    Now to the CTS-V, or CT5-V. This is where we begin to question the source. We know that Cadillac will be retiring the CTS and ATS in the next couple of years for the upcoming CT5. Why the source said, "next-generation CTS-V sedan" has us scratching our heads. Maybe the source misspoke or GM is thinking about continuing forward the CTS-V nameplate. We're likely putting too much thought into this.

    Nevertheless, we would expect Cadillac to bump up horsepower to 600 or so to keep up with the likes of the Germans.

    Source: Roadshow



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    The 4.2L TT V8 I suspect is greatly understated at 550 hp / 627 lb-ft of torque. 

    I expect the next Escalade to have their normal and at least a V-Sport if not a full blown V edition.

    I believe we will see the Escalade with a normal DI V8, then V-Sport with a current TT V8 and the V edition will be the dialed up TT V8 SUV. I also would not be suprised to see this show up in the XT6 or 7 what ever they call it.

    As for cars, CT5 and if they keep the CT6 or CT7 or what ever, I expect GM to maximize the return on investment by having it at various power levels in these cars too till they can no longer support them due to customer demand for EVs replace it.

    My gut tells me they could push the TT V8 to around 800hp and 1000 lb-ft of torque.

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    This is entirely hot. I will gladly give up GM trying to be everything to everyone with lots full of cars at deep discount if they can bring me this.  Holy S#!% this thing is lustworthy.

    2 hours ago, dfelt said:

    My gut tells me they could push the TT V8 to around 800hp and 1000 lb-ft of torque.

    You know tuners will....where is that hellcat...here kitty kitty kitty....

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    Lmfao if they come out and say.. "JDN came up with that naming scheme, for the trucks it was cool.. But the the CTS, ATS are keeping their names.. Oh.. The CT6 is only being sold in China, but we'll be selling an identical car here as the new XTS" 😂

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    I think every enthusiast is surprised there hasn't been a V-Sport or true V version of the Escalade already... GM has had plenty of different engines to drop in there then they just need to work on a break and suspension package. It seems like a obvious big money maker. 

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    27 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I think every enthusiast is surprised there hasn't been a V-Sport or true V version of the Escalade already... GM has had plenty of different engines to drop in there then they just need to work on a break and suspension package. It seems like a obvious big money maker. 

    It would really be hot.

    Interested to see how the Edge ST does.  Even I am kind of starting to like that a little bit...

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    35 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    It would really be hot.

    Interested to see how the Edge ST does.  Even I am kind of starting to like that a little bit...

    From the little I've read on it, it seems like a more powerful Edge Sport.. It isn't exactly "sporty" or "ST" worthy. I also don't think a buyer of an Edge ST really wants a super tight suspension setup. If they did, they probably aren't buying an SUV..or a sporty one at that. 

    I think something like that would be perfect for me. "Hello 45k? Where are you?"

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    55 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    From the little I've read on it, it seems like a more powerful Edge Sport.. It isn't exactly "sporty" or "ST" worthy. I also don't think a buyer of an Edge ST really wants a super tight suspension setup. If they did, they probably aren't buying an SUV..or a sporty one at that. 

    I think something like that would be perfect for me. "Hello 45k? Where are you?"

    I do like the visual packaging on it...it does not need to be a sports car...just a performance vehicle.

    9 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    There is a guy over at GMAuthority who says Cadillac just lost him as a customer because they are going to stop making a big Cadillac.

     

    He owns a 2010.. I said 2010.. a 9 year old Cadillac and he says this.. THIS IS HOW IDIOTIC PEOPLE ARE. I responded with:

    My name over there is MiatsoCi 

    No offense.. but GM/Cadillac built 2 large sedans for U.. for the last 3(2016-2019 CT6) and 6(2013-2019 XTS) years. Both have won gobs of praise. One is literally a superior version of your DTS, while one is a direct competitor to the S550 (3.0LPlatinum CT6) and U still haven’t bought.. maybe.. they just tired of waiting. BTW.. there are still new XTSs and CT6s on the showroom floor til the end of 2019… a year that hasn’t even happened yet.

    My name is Cmicasa the GreatXvX.. and I approve this message LOL


     

    So let them loose him as a customer. Trying to be everything to everybody all of the time hasn't helped GM. They do not need a car for every buyer...just cars for people willing to pay a reasonable premium for.

    Economically it makes no sense to be bottom feeders in any market. But especially cars.

    I for one am curious what Cadillac has in store for us.

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    The reduction in horsepower in favor of the twin-turbo setup still won't be enough for @smk4565... he'll find something wrong with the headliner or the insides of the glovebox.

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    I still don't buy that the CT6 is being discontinued.  If so, Cadillac is fully to blame for how they have packaged and priced the car.  But apart from that, they have now created the sweet v8 for that car and they will announce either a production move to China or will stage a dramatic PR plant rescue for the car here in the states.  Again, the collateral damage of Cadillac not having a big sedan to me means Cadillac becomes a crossover heavy company with no essence.  Might as well shut it down.  When does Mercedes get rid of the S Class?  Not yet.

    Aside from that, you might as well put it in the Escalade.  If they put it in the CT5 or CtS replacement whatever it is, it's a completly useless proposition to the market if they don't give it all wheel drive.  If their plan is to only make it RWD in the CT5 than Cadillac's braintrust is on to the next level of stupidity, surpassing the overall level of GM stupidity for the last 10 years or so.

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    Read between the lines.... the official line is that the CT6 is no longer going to be produced in North America.  It will remain in production in other countries.

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    4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Read between the lines.... the official line is that the CT6 is no longer going to be produced in North America.  It will remain in production in other countries.

    Does that mean that the CT6 (or its replacement) will be imported here from wherever else it is built?

    As for the 4,2L TTV8, where was this engine five years ago?  This engine deserves to be MORE than just an option engine for the Escalade or a Corvette.

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    If they are killing off cars, then Motor1.com has shown the 15 worst cars that should also die.

    https://www.motor1.com/features/282006/worst-selling-cars-trucks-2018/

    • Units sold since the start of 2018
    • 15th - Audi A7 at 1,959
    • 14th - Jaguar XF at 1,944 
    • 13th - Jaguar F-Type at 1,925
    • 12th - Mercedes-Benz SL-Class at 1,787
    • 11th - Mercedes-Benz SLC-Class at 1,692
    • 10th - Lexus LC at 1,688
    • 9th - Acura RLX at 1,556
    • 8th - Jabuar XJ at 1,365
    • 7th - Fiat 500L at 1,327
    • 6th - Toyota Mirai at 1,263 - Seems crazy to include Hydrogen autos
    • 5th - Audi TT at 1,244
    • 4th - Smart For Two at 1,054
    • 3rd - Audi A8 at 909
    • 2nd - Kia K900 at 277
    • 1st - Alfa Romeo 4C at 217 units

    I would say if Cadillac cannot make a profit on the CT6, then how can any of these auto companies make a profit and all these cars should be killed off for the US.

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    Everybody is ASSUMING that the supposed discontinued cars don't make a profit. When/where was that ever stated? A vehicle can be 'profitable' yet still not meet the goals of the OEM and be discontinued. Happens all the time.

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    33 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'm guessing the CT6 will be imported from China. That's my guess.

    I wonder if we can get it with a side of Moo-shoo pork? :P

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'm guessing the CT6 will be imported from China. That's my guess.

    Probably truth but now with tariffs and such, and just image wise I think the top sedan coming from China is problematic. 

     

    I think Cadillac could still manage 30-40k volume on the CT6 a year in the US once the XTS is gone and then realign the trims. 

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    That would be an excellent approach- discontinue the XTS and pump the CT6 volume up. Put it in another US plant, because I'd never buy a Chinese-built version and I don't think it does Cadillac any favors to import it.
     

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    2 hours ago, balthazar said:

    That would be an excellent approach- discontinue the XTS and pump the CT6 volume up. Put it in another US plant, because I'd never buy a Chinese-built version and I don't think it does Cadillac any favors to import it.
     

    Problem is.. that only because its GM would anyone know. Seriously.. I've never seen a company that inspires so much press about what it does for Americans.. while at the same times have American openly say how much they hate GM..not even for the cars.. just because.

    Either way.. the average American.. if GM were to properly market the vehicle.. hell the way they are currently doing with the XT4.. they could sell 3X what they have been.. As Americans don't really care where the car comes from.. just look at Volvo. 

    Sales numbers technically and surprisingly are a lot considering the segment. 

    808 per month as of Sept..

    vs 681 per month for the 7 Series

     741 for the Lexus LS

    284 for the Audi A8 and A7 COMBINED.. (I said the Audi A8+A7 have only sold 2560 units this whole year combined and GM is king the CT6 for selling 7272🤔)

    BTW.. I never could figure out how they expected the CTS or the CT6 to truly show a real un-touched number with the vehicles being so closely aligned in either size or price. The XTS and the CTS we exactly the same price.. while the CT6 and XTS were damn near the same size.. visually the were exactly the same size.. and after the exterior redo of the XTS recently.. even I had to do a double take to tell the difference. 

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    2 hours ago, balthazar said:

    That would be an excellent approach- discontinue the XTS and pump the CT6 volume up. Put it in another US plant, because I'd never buy a Chinese-built version and I don't think it does Cadillac any favors to import it.
     

    Yet they import and sell all the S-Class from Germany, so why would the 1% care about where the auto is built?

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    1 minute ago, dfelt said:

    Yet they import and sell all the S-Class from Germany, so why would the 1% care about where the auto is built?

    Cause MT, C&D, Jalopnik, Truth About Cars.. etc will SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS that GM is doing it. Now.. me personally.. I'm hoping that Cadillac is keeping the CT6 and just changing the name as I said before. Call it CT6=Escala. Change the back.. I would scoop this up in a NY sec

    261611_Cadillac_Escala_-_Le_nouveau_look

    Cadillac-Escala-Concept-Rear-Three-Quart

     

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    41 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Cause MT, C&D, Jalopnik, Truth About Cars.. etc will SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS that GM is doing it. Now.. me personally.. I'm hoping that Cadillac is keeping the CT6 and just changing the name as I said before. Call it CT6=Escala. Change the back.. I would scoop this up in a NY sec

    261611_Cadillac_Escala_-_Le_nouveau_look

    Cadillac-Escala-Concept-Rear-Three-Quart

     

    Wish they would allow two Emoji on a post as my first was :roflmao: and the second was 👍

    Totally agree with you, Escala with AWD Electric would rock! :metal:

    Talk about being the most quiet smooth ride around! Truly World Class Leading.

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