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    Rumorpile: Chrysler's Future Lineup Is 'Under Re-evaluation'


    • Changes Could Be Affoot for Chrysler's Future Lineup

    FCA's second five-year plan had some interesting products for Chrysler, including a new compact called the 100 due in 2016. But there could be some changes in store for Chrysler's lineup due to current situation in the market.

     

    Allpar reports that investor presentation mentioned that Chrysler's future lineup was “under re-evaluation”. Causes for the re-evaluation include fuel prices going down and are predicted to stay there for the next few years, the increasing popularity of crossovers, and the decline in small car sales.

     

    The original plan for Chrysler in the second five-year plan included,

    • Compact 100 sedan to be launched in 2016
    • Next-generation minivan to be launched in 2016, with a PHEV to follow a year later
    • New full-size crossover to be launched, with a PHEV in 2017
    • 200 sedan is refreshed in 2017
    • Midsize crossover is launched in 2018
    • Next-generation 300 is launched in 2018


    Allpar believes that the 100 might morph into a crossover, complementing the Fiat 500X and Jeep Renegade. But there could be the possibility of 100 being sold elsewhere in the world and not the U.S. and Canada. The midsize crossover is speculated to be the replacement for the Dodge Journey and is expected in the near future.

     

    Source: Allpar

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    Or is this FCA getting stuck between government regulations and market forces? Car company needs to sell cars to make money. Car company needs to sell the right cars to be compliant. Good luck.

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    I foresee crossovers gaining, compacts diminishing and Hybrids being the sweet spot with a few more EVs coming onto the scene.

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    A Chrysler 100 as an Encore/Trax competitor leaning on the luxury side of things rather than the Off-Road side like the Renegade would probably be a better move than a Chrysler Dart. 

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    A Chrysler 100 as an Encore/Trax competitor leaning on the luxury side of things rather than the Off-Road side like the Renegade would probably be a better move than a Chrysler Dart. 

     

    So in other words your advice to FCA would be to build an Encore competitor as the Chrysler 100?

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    Yes.  They already have the "rugged" version in the Renegade.  There is the Italian connection in the 500x.   But I couldn't sell either of them to my partner as he likes the more luxury feel of the Encore.  It would be a good fit for Chrysler I think and it is the hottest growth segment right now. 

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    Do they really need Chrysler and Dodge?  They could move the 200 to Dodge as an Avenger, give Dodge a new crossover, Dodge has the minivan already.  You could argue that they don't need Chrysler at all anymore.  I could argue they don't need Fiat or Alfa either, or Maserati for that matter.  Maybe they should just have Jeep, Ram and 1 car brand.

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    I don't think they need Fiat or Alfa.... but as long as Serg is at the helm, those two brands are untouchable.

     

    Chrysler (the brand) is a lot healthier than you give them credit for SMK. They might even outsell the entire VW brand in the US this year... and with only 3 vehicles in their lineup.

     

    Chrysler needs to be Buick but with a broader range of product. Premium cars without going all the way to Cadillac/Benz level. They are so close to being able to do this with the cars they have now.... better interiors and upgraded powertrains would be all it takes.

     

    Dodge can handle the family car business.

     

    Ram and Jeep have their respective niches.

     

    Let Maserati handle the luxury end as it has more brand recognition than Alfa. 

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    How about something a little larger more Escape/Nox/CR-V-like instead of another Renegade/500x? I know Jeep has the Cherokee but that's the only SUV of that size FCA really has. It'd put a second, more luxurious, vehicle in that class. I'd assume it would more compete with the Terrain Denali or Escape Titanium.

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    How about something a little larger more Escape/Nox/CR-V-like instead of another Renegade/500x? I know Jeep has the Cherokee but that's the only SUV of that size FCA really has. It'd put a second, more luxurious, vehicle in that class. I'd assume it would more compete with the Terrain Denali or Escape Titanium.

     

    You're forgetting the Journey.  But yes, I think a lux version of the Cherokee would be a nice Chrysler.   It's just that the small CUVs are the hottest new segment right now, so get in while they can with an Encore/Trax car.  Easier to win customers when the segment is new.  In the CR-V segment, people just turn in their CR-V and lease another without thinking.

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    The minvan without sliding doors? lol Yeah, I always forget that because it doesn't seem to compete with anything, in my opinion at least. I passionately hate the Journey. It just seems so..awkward to me..

     

    But would they be stealing their own sales from a Renegade or 500x though?(doubtful they'd steal 500x sales as there aren't many dealers around to steal from). I guess the same could be said for the Cherokee though...

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    The Avenger Journey still sells decent, and just a year or two ago was over 100k units a year... so it's competing with something.  It's CR-V/Nox priced but with a third row for tiny tots, and it actually comes with a V6 which the CR-V/Rogue/RAV-4 do not.  So it has its place. 

     

    I don't think Encore sales and Renegade sales are very interchangeable.  While both vehicles are in the same size class, they appeal to very different types of consumer.  I would expect a Chrysler CUV of that size to appeal to an Encore consumer rather than a Renegade consumer.

    Edited by Drew Dowdell
    Wrong car, right platform
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    Is it normal to go under all those re-evaluations as FCA seems to do lately...

     

    I  mean...I get the part where a manufacturer is pro-active in dealing with the ever changing automotive scene and reacts to the fast changes that the industry seems to do, but in my opinion, FCA seems to be re-evaluating every 6 months...

     

    Just engineer a bloody product and send it out already for crikey's sake...

     

    Chrysler needs a LX  platform replacement as of yesterday.

    Ditto Dodge.

     

    Chrysler needs that 100 sedan as of yesrterday.

    Chrysler ALSO needs a 100 based CUV as of yesterday...not either or...

     

    Alpha Romeo needs that RWD sedan that Sergio is showing us...as of yesterday...

    Alpha Romeo needs luxury SUVs and  CUVs and 4 door coupes and 2 door coupes as of yesterday...

     

    Fiat...needs more cars than that 500 vehicle and the spin off of it as of.....yesterday...

     

     

    You people dont know how much I HATE this expression..."I need this yesterday"

    And I NEVER thought Id EVER use it...however...in this case...I deem it to be very very appropriate.

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    Chrysler is a US/Canada brand not a global brand.  Volkswagen could sell zero cars in the USA and still sell 8 million elsewhere.    FCA just has too many niche brands that are too localized to certain regions.  Sergio wants industry consolidation, but he can't even consolidate his own house.  And they can't keep product fresh across 7 or 8 brands, they are like GM of 10 years ago without the sales volume.  

     

    Alfa should be killed and all those cars to Maserati, then they'd have 3 sedans, a coming crossover and the 4C sports car.  I still think Dodge and Chrysler could merge to one brand, unless Ram is killed and Dodge becomes a truck, van and muscle car brand.  Jeep is fine, Chrysler would be car and crossovers, no crossovers to Dodge.

     

    There was a time when people thought, how can GM kill Pontiac or Saturn or Hummer, etc.  Where will that volume go.  Well those brands are gone and not really missed, and they still have volume, and they are more profitable.    If FCA cut half their brands in time they would not be missed.

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    I think making Chrysler more a Buick/Lincoln/Acura competitor is a fantastic idea.  Same too making the 100 an Encore sized crossover based on the renegade.   I like the idea of Dodge as an all performance division, but sure that is feasible in he long run. 

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    They need to focus on PHEV/EV  NOW.

     

    FCA was at the bottom of the most recent Union of Concerned Scientists emissions rankings for carmakers.  When it comes to fuel efficiency, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is among the lowest of all U.S. automakers and had to buy 8.2 million megagrams of emissions credits.

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    They need to focus on PHEV/EV  NOW.

     

    FCA was at the bottom of the most recent Union of Concerned Scientists emissions rankings for carmakers.  When it comes to fuel efficiency, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is among the lowest of all U.S. automakers and had to buy 8.2 million megagrams of emissions credits.

     

    Get the low hanging fruit first. They need a new family of fuel efficient 4-cylinder engines.  The Tigershark just isn't cutting it. 

     

    Mazda is the most fuel efficient of all manufacturers aside from Tesla.  They have zero hybrids.

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    They need to focus on PHEV/EV  NOW.

     

    FCA was at the bottom of the most recent Union of Concerned Scientists emissions rankings for carmakers.  When it comes to fuel efficiency, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is among the lowest of all U.S. automakers and had to buy 8.2 million megagrams of emissions credits.

     

    Get the low hanging fruit first. They need a new family of fuel efficient 4-cylinder engines.  The Tigershark just isn't cutting it. 

     

    Mazda is the most fuel efficient of all manufacturers aside from Tesla.  They have zero hybrids.

     

    Bingo, the new family of 4s can't come soon enough. 

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    They obviously need to pilfer more from Mazda. ActiveTiger or...er SkyShark. I like SkyShark. Yes, that one!!!

     

    Mazda will rake in the monies, and again it proves... being the biggest, isn't always best.

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    They obviously need to pilfer more from Mazda. ActiveTiger or...er SkyShark. I like SkyShark. Yes, that one!!!

     

    Mazda will rake in the monies, and again it proves... being the biggest, isn't always best.

     

    The Tigershark is actually a collaboration between FCA, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi.  Each manufacturer tunes it differently to their own needs.   But you're right, it would have been better if those three had paid Mazda to do the engine.

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    I have always thought them and Mazda would have a good synergy.  Get 4 cylinders from Mazda and give them access to the excellent Pentastar V6 (which would make the 6 far more interesting IMHO). 

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    I have always thought them and Mazda would have a good synergy.  Get 4 cylinders from Mazda and give them access to the excellent Pentastar V6 (which would make the 6 far more interesting IMHO). 

    Does Mazda even want a V6 anymore though? If they are the most efficient lineup, like Drew said, then they're probably content with a family of 4's. They'd probably prefer to boost a 4 banger rather than throw in a heavier V6 because they put so much emphasis on driving dynamics. 

     

    Afterthought: I completely forgot about the CX-9. To me, that would be the only application for a V6 in their lineup. Everything else can be done with an I4, boost or n/a. 

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    I have always thought them and Mazda would have a good synergy.  Get 4 cylinders from Mazda and give them access to the excellent Pentastar V6 (which would make the 6 far more interesting IMHO). 

    Does Mazda even want a V6 anymore though? If they are the most efficient lineup, like Drew said, then they're probably content with a family of 4's. They'd probably prefer to boost a 4 banger rather than throw in a heavier V6 because they put so much emphasis on driving dynamics. 

     

    Afterthought: I completely forgot about the CX-9. To me, that would be the only application for a V6 in their lineup. Everything else can be done with an I4, boost or n/a. 

     

     

    The CX-9 is getting a boosted 2.5 liter 4-cylinder with 250 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque.   No need for a Pentastar.

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