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    Rumorpile: Chrysler's Future Lineup Is 'Under Re-evaluation'


    • Changes Could Be Affoot for Chrysler's Future Lineup

    FCA's second five-year plan had some interesting products for Chrysler, including a new compact called the 100 due in 2016. But there could be some changes in store for Chrysler's lineup due to current situation in the market.

     

    Allpar reports that investor presentation mentioned that Chrysler's future lineup was “under re-evaluation”. Causes for the re-evaluation include fuel prices going down and are predicted to stay there for the next few years, the increasing popularity of crossovers, and the decline in small car sales.

     

    The original plan for Chrysler in the second five-year plan included,

    • Compact 100 sedan to be launched in 2016
    • Next-generation minivan to be launched in 2016, with a PHEV to follow a year later
    • New full-size crossover to be launched, with a PHEV in 2017
    • 200 sedan is refreshed in 2017
    • Midsize crossover is launched in 2018
    • Next-generation 300 is launched in 2018


    Allpar believes that the 100 might morph into a crossover, complementing the Fiat 500X and Jeep Renegade. But there could be the possibility of 100 being sold elsewhere in the world and not the U.S. and Canada. The midsize crossover is speculated to be the replacement for the Dodge Journey and is expected in the near future.

     

    Source: Allpar

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    Or is this FCA getting stuck between government regulations and market forces? Car company needs to sell cars to make money. Car company needs to sell the right cars to be compliant. Good luck.

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    I foresee crossovers gaining, compacts diminishing and Hybrids being the sweet spot with a few more EVs coming onto the scene.

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    A Chrysler 100 as an Encore/Trax competitor leaning on the luxury side of things rather than the Off-Road side like the Renegade would probably be a better move than a Chrysler Dart. 

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    A Chrysler 100 as an Encore/Trax competitor leaning on the luxury side of things rather than the Off-Road side like the Renegade would probably be a better move than a Chrysler Dart. 

     

    So in other words your advice to FCA would be to build an Encore competitor as the Chrysler 100?

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    Yes.  They already have the "rugged" version in the Renegade.  There is the Italian connection in the 500x.   But I couldn't sell either of them to my partner as he likes the more luxury feel of the Encore.  It would be a good fit for Chrysler I think and it is the hottest growth segment right now. 

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    Do they really need Chrysler and Dodge?  They could move the 200 to Dodge as an Avenger, give Dodge a new crossover, Dodge has the minivan already.  You could argue that they don't need Chrysler at all anymore.  I could argue they don't need Fiat or Alfa either, or Maserati for that matter.  Maybe they should just have Jeep, Ram and 1 car brand.

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    I don't think they need Fiat or Alfa.... but as long as Serg is at the helm, those two brands are untouchable.

     

    Chrysler (the brand) is a lot healthier than you give them credit for SMK. They might even outsell the entire VW brand in the US this year... and with only 3 vehicles in their lineup.

     

    Chrysler needs to be Buick but with a broader range of product. Premium cars without going all the way to Cadillac/Benz level. They are so close to being able to do this with the cars they have now.... better interiors and upgraded powertrains would be all it takes.

     

    Dodge can handle the family car business.

     

    Ram and Jeep have their respective niches.

     

    Let Maserati handle the luxury end as it has more brand recognition than Alfa. 

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    How about something a little larger more Escape/Nox/CR-V-like instead of another Renegade/500x? I know Jeep has the Cherokee but that's the only SUV of that size FCA really has. It'd put a second, more luxurious, vehicle in that class. I'd assume it would more compete with the Terrain Denali or Escape Titanium.

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    How about something a little larger more Escape/Nox/CR-V-like instead of another Renegade/500x? I know Jeep has the Cherokee but that's the only SUV of that size FCA really has. It'd put a second, more luxurious, vehicle in that class. I'd assume it would more compete with the Terrain Denali or Escape Titanium.

     

    You're forgetting the Journey.  But yes, I think a lux version of the Cherokee would be a nice Chrysler.   It's just that the small CUVs are the hottest new segment right now, so get in while they can with an Encore/Trax car.  Easier to win customers when the segment is new.  In the CR-V segment, people just turn in their CR-V and lease another without thinking.

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    The minvan without sliding doors? lol Yeah, I always forget that because it doesn't seem to compete with anything, in my opinion at least. I passionately hate the Journey. It just seems so..awkward to me..

     

    But would they be stealing their own sales from a Renegade or 500x though?(doubtful they'd steal 500x sales as there aren't many dealers around to steal from). I guess the same could be said for the Cherokee though...

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    The Avenger Journey still sells decent, and just a year or two ago was over 100k units a year... so it's competing with something.  It's CR-V/Nox priced but with a third row for tiny tots, and it actually comes with a V6 which the CR-V/Rogue/RAV-4 do not.  So it has its place. 

     

    I don't think Encore sales and Renegade sales are very interchangeable.  While both vehicles are in the same size class, they appeal to very different types of consumer.  I would expect a Chrysler CUV of that size to appeal to an Encore consumer rather than a Renegade consumer.

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    Wrong car, right platform
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    Is it normal to go under all those re-evaluations as FCA seems to do lately...

     

    I  mean...I get the part where a manufacturer is pro-active in dealing with the ever changing automotive scene and reacts to the fast changes that the industry seems to do, but in my opinion, FCA seems to be re-evaluating every 6 months...

     

    Just engineer a bloody product and send it out already for crikey's sake...

     

    Chrysler needs a LX  platform replacement as of yesterday.

    Ditto Dodge.

     

    Chrysler needs that 100 sedan as of yesrterday.

    Chrysler ALSO needs a 100 based CUV as of yesterday...not either or...

     

    Alpha Romeo needs that RWD sedan that Sergio is showing us...as of yesterday...

    Alpha Romeo needs luxury SUVs and  CUVs and 4 door coupes and 2 door coupes as of yesterday...

     

    Fiat...needs more cars than that 500 vehicle and the spin off of it as of.....yesterday...

     

     

    You people dont know how much I HATE this expression..."I need this yesterday"

    And I NEVER thought Id EVER use it...however...in this case...I deem it to be very very appropriate.

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    Chrysler is a US/Canada brand not a global brand.  Volkswagen could sell zero cars in the USA and still sell 8 million elsewhere.    FCA just has too many niche brands that are too localized to certain regions.  Sergio wants industry consolidation, but he can't even consolidate his own house.  And they can't keep product fresh across 7 or 8 brands, they are like GM of 10 years ago without the sales volume.  

     

    Alfa should be killed and all those cars to Maserati, then they'd have 3 sedans, a coming crossover and the 4C sports car.  I still think Dodge and Chrysler could merge to one brand, unless Ram is killed and Dodge becomes a truck, van and muscle car brand.  Jeep is fine, Chrysler would be car and crossovers, no crossovers to Dodge.

     

    There was a time when people thought, how can GM kill Pontiac or Saturn or Hummer, etc.  Where will that volume go.  Well those brands are gone and not really missed, and they still have volume, and they are more profitable.    If FCA cut half their brands in time they would not be missed.

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    I think making Chrysler more a Buick/Lincoln/Acura competitor is a fantastic idea.  Same too making the 100 an Encore sized crossover based on the renegade.   I like the idea of Dodge as an all performance division, but sure that is feasible in he long run. 

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    They need to focus on PHEV/EV  NOW.

     

    FCA was at the bottom of the most recent Union of Concerned Scientists emissions rankings for carmakers.  When it comes to fuel efficiency, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is among the lowest of all U.S. automakers and had to buy 8.2 million megagrams of emissions credits.

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    They need to focus on PHEV/EV  NOW.

     

    FCA was at the bottom of the most recent Union of Concerned Scientists emissions rankings for carmakers.  When it comes to fuel efficiency, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is among the lowest of all U.S. automakers and had to buy 8.2 million megagrams of emissions credits.

     

    Get the low hanging fruit first. They need a new family of fuel efficient 4-cylinder engines.  The Tigershark just isn't cutting it. 

     

    Mazda is the most fuel efficient of all manufacturers aside from Tesla.  They have zero hybrids.

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    They need to focus on PHEV/EV  NOW.

     

    FCA was at the bottom of the most recent Union of Concerned Scientists emissions rankings for carmakers.  When it comes to fuel efficiency, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is among the lowest of all U.S. automakers and had to buy 8.2 million megagrams of emissions credits.

     

    Get the low hanging fruit first. They need a new family of fuel efficient 4-cylinder engines.  The Tigershark just isn't cutting it. 

     

    Mazda is the most fuel efficient of all manufacturers aside from Tesla.  They have zero hybrids.

     

    Bingo, the new family of 4s can't come soon enough. 

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    They obviously need to pilfer more from Mazda. ActiveTiger or...er SkyShark. I like SkyShark. Yes, that one!!!

     

    Mazda will rake in the monies, and again it proves... being the biggest, isn't always best.

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    They obviously need to pilfer more from Mazda. ActiveTiger or...er SkyShark. I like SkyShark. Yes, that one!!!

     

    Mazda will rake in the monies, and again it proves... being the biggest, isn't always best.

     

    The Tigershark is actually a collaboration between FCA, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi.  Each manufacturer tunes it differently to their own needs.   But you're right, it would have been better if those three had paid Mazda to do the engine.

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    I have always thought them and Mazda would have a good synergy.  Get 4 cylinders from Mazda and give them access to the excellent Pentastar V6 (which would make the 6 far more interesting IMHO). 

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    I have always thought them and Mazda would have a good synergy.  Get 4 cylinders from Mazda and give them access to the excellent Pentastar V6 (which would make the 6 far more interesting IMHO). 

    Does Mazda even want a V6 anymore though? If they are the most efficient lineup, like Drew said, then they're probably content with a family of 4's. They'd probably prefer to boost a 4 banger rather than throw in a heavier V6 because they put so much emphasis on driving dynamics. 

     

    Afterthought: I completely forgot about the CX-9. To me, that would be the only application for a V6 in their lineup. Everything else can be done with an I4, boost or n/a. 

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    I have always thought them and Mazda would have a good synergy.  Get 4 cylinders from Mazda and give them access to the excellent Pentastar V6 (which would make the 6 far more interesting IMHO). 

    Does Mazda even want a V6 anymore though? If they are the most efficient lineup, like Drew said, then they're probably content with a family of 4's. They'd probably prefer to boost a 4 banger rather than throw in a heavier V6 because they put so much emphasis on driving dynamics. 

     

    Afterthought: I completely forgot about the CX-9. To me, that would be the only application for a V6 in their lineup. Everything else can be done with an I4, boost or n/a. 

     

     

    The CX-9 is getting a boosted 2.5 liter 4-cylinder with 250 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque.   No need for a Pentastar.

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      Dodge brand sales up 10 percent; four Dodge brand vehicles post sales gains Ram Truck brand sales up 6 percent; Ram pickup sales increase 6 percent year over year Jeep® Grand Cherokee sales increase 22 percent compared with same month a year ago Fiat 500 sales up 12 percent for the month April 3, 2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC today reported U.S. sales of 190,254 units, a 5 percent decrease compared with sales in March 2016 (199,467 units).
       
      In March, fleet sales of 43,992 units were down 15 percent year over year as FCA US continues its strategy of reducing its sales to the daily rental segment. Fleet sales represented 23 percent of total FCA US sales in March. FCA US retail sales of 146,262 units were down 1 percent for the month, and represented 77 percent of total March sales.
       
      Dodge brand and Ram Truck brand sales increased year over year in March. Dodge brand sales were up 10 percent, led by the 100 percent increase in Dodge Journey crossover sales. Ram Truck brand sales were up 6 percent in March as the Ram pickup and Ram ProMaster van each posted year-over-year sales gains. Sales of the Jeep® Grand Cherokee – the Jeep brand’s volume leader in March – were up 22 percent compared with the same month in 2016. Sales of the Fiat 500 and the all-new Chrysler Pacifica minivan increased year over year as well in the month.
      Dodge Brand
      Four Dodge brand vehicles posted year-over-year sales increases in March, led by the Dodge Journey crossover’s 100 percent sales gain. Sales of the Dodge Challenger were up 17 percent in March. The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon – the Dodge brand’s new ultimate performance halo car – will be unveiled this month during the 2017 New York International Auto Show week. The Dodge Grand Caravan minivan and the Dodge Viper also turned in year-over-year sales gains for the month. Dodge brand sales were up 10 percent compared with the same month in 2016.
       
      Ram Truck Brand
      Ram pickup truck sales increased 6 percent in March, compared with the same month a year ago. In addition, sales of the Ram ProMaster van were up 24 percent for the month. Ram Truck brand sales, which include the pickup, ProMaster and ProMaster City, were up 6 percent in March. The brand last month unveiled a new exterior color shade for its luxurious and capable Laramie Longhorn line of pickup trucks. RV Match Walnut Brown will serve as the model’s new two-tone contrast color, replacing White Gold. The Ram Laramie Longhorn is the Texas Auto Writers Association’s Luxury Truck of Texas.
       
      FIAT Brand
      Sales of the Fiat 500 increased 12 percent in March, compared with the same month a year ago. Fiat 124 Spider sales were up 39 percent compared with the previous month of February. Experts at Cars.com consider the all-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider best in its segment, naming it the “Best New Convertible” of 2017.
       
      Jeep® Brand
      The Jeep Grand Cherokee – the brand’s volume leader for the month – recorded a 22 percent year-over-year sales increase in March for its best sales month this year. The all-new 2017 Jeep Compass – the most capable compact SUV ever with the most advanced 4x4 systems in its class – began shipping to Jeep dealerships in March. The new Compass expands the Jeep brand’s global reach with an unmatched combination of attributes that includes legendary and best-in-class 4x4 off-road capability, advanced fuel-efficient powertrains, premium and authentic Jeep design, superior on-road driving dynamics, open-air freedom, and a host of innovative safety and advanced technology offerings.
       
      Chrysler Brand
      Sales of the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica – the most awarded minivan of 2016 and 2017 – were up in its third month of year-over-year comparisons, and increased 3 percent compared with sales in the previous month of February. March also was the Pacifica’s best sales month so far this year. The Pacifica continues to earn a plethora of awards and accolades in 2017, landing on Kelley Blue Book’s list of the “12 Best Family Cars of 2017” in the best minivans category, and “2017 North American Utility of the Year.”
       
      Alfa Romeo Brand
      Alfa Romeo brand sales of 555 units were up 1,191 percent compared with the same month a year ago.
       
      Maserati Brand
      Maserati brand sales of 1,312 units were up 32 percent compared with the same month in 2016.
      U.S. Sales Summary March 2017
                      Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
      Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Compass
      2,651
      7,823
      -66%
      8,552
      22,987
      -63%
      Patriot
      5,968
      9,264
      -36%
      16,180
      29,211
      -45%
      Wrangler
      16,336
      17,586
      -7%
      41,311
      41,922
      -1%
      Cherokee
      14,589
      16,302
      -11%
      40,755
      48,438
      -16%
      Grand Cherokee
      20,374
      16,693
      22%
      56,600
      47,658
      19%
      Renegade
      8,065
      8,872
      -9%
      25,345
      22,154
      14%
      JEEP BRAND
      67,983
      76,540
      -11%
      188,743
      212,370
      -11%
      200
      2,565
      4,971
      -48%
      6,620
      15,915
      -58%
      300
      4,969
      6,172
      -19%
      15,063
      17,141
      -12%
      Town & Country
      95
      14,200
      -99%
      341
      37,228
      -99%
      Pacifica
      9,340
      30
      New
      25,052
      140
      New
      CHRYSLER BRAND
      16,969
      25,373
      -33%
      47,076
      70,424
      -33%
      Dart
      1,578
      5,137
      -69%
      4,658
      16,241
      -71%
      Avenger
      0
      8
      -100%
      0
      23
      -100%
      Charger
      8,236
      8,798
      -6%
      22,319
      26,345
      -15%
      Challenger
      6,225
      5,325
      17%
      15,725
      16,128
      -2%
      Viper
      71
      65
      9%
      178
      137
      30%
      Journey
      11,858
      5,931
      100%
      34,400
      23,892
      44%
      Caravan
      15,602
      13,124
      19%
      40,054
      38,057
      5%
      Durango
      6,506
      7,241
      -10%
      16,729
      20,093
      -17%
      DODGE  BRAND
      50,076
      45,629
      10%
      134,063
      140,916
      -5%
      Ram P/U
      46,384
      43,647
      6%
      119,199
      113,298
      5%
      Cargo Van
      0
      1
      -100%
      0
      3
      -100%
      ProMaster Van
      4,048
      3,263
      24%
      10,047
      8,302
      21%
      ProMaster City
      1,317
      1,886
      -30%
      3,333
      4,551
      -27%
      RAM BRAND
      51,749
      48,797
      6%
      132,579
      126,154
      5%
      Giulia
      484
      0
      New
      966
      0
      New
      Alfa 4C 
      71
      43
      65%
      140
      158
      -11%
      ALFA BRAND
      555
      43
      1191%
      1,106
      158
      600%
      500
      1,671
      1,494
      12%
      4,020
      3,595
      12%
      500L
      106
      535
      -80%
      284
      1,262
      -77%
      500X
      726
      1,056
      -31%
      1,966
      3,258
      -40%
      Spider
      419
      0
      New
      961
      0
      New
      FIAT BRAND
      2,922
      3,085
      -5%
      7,231
      8,115
      -11%
      TOTAL FCA US LLC
      190,254
      199,467
      -5%
      510,798
      558,137
      -8%
          Total Car & MPV
      51,432
      59,902
      -14%
      136,381
      172,370
      -21%
          Total UV's
      87,073
      90,768
      -4%
      241,838
      259,613
      -7%
          Total Truck & LCV
      51,749
      48,797
      6%
      132,579
      126,154
      5%
                    MASERATI BRAND
      1,312
      997
      32%
      3,288
      2,250
      46%
                 
    • By William Maley
      We know Cadillac is planning a major product offensive beginning with the XT3 crossover next year, along with a few other products such as a seven-seat crossover and a competitor to the Audi A3 and Mercedes CLA. Automobile Magazine reports that Cadillac is planning eight all-new or redesigned models by 2022. They include,
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      Source: Automobile
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