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    2018 Dodge Durango SRT To Begin At $64,090


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    For the 2018 model year, Dodge will be introducing the 475 horsepower Durango SRT. Before it hits dealers later this year, Dodge has announced pricing for this high-performance crossover.

    For $64,090 (includes a $1,095 destination charge), you get a 6.4L HEMI V8 hooked up to an eight-speed automatic and all-wheel drive. 0-60 will only take 4.4 seconds and will reach the quarter mile in 12.9 seconds. Other performance tweaks include adaptive dampers, new springs, larger Brembo brakes, and a new body kit. Buyers will also get a day session at the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving in Chandler, Arizona to hone their driving skills.

    “The new 2018 Dodge Durango SRT is America’s fastest, most powerful and most capable three-row SUV. This is what you get, when you take everything great about the Durango and combine it with the performance of the Charger SRT: a 12-second quarter mile, 8,700-pound-toy hauling, three-row muscle car,” said Tim Kuniskis, Head of Passenger Cars Brands, Dodge, SRT, Chrysler and FIAT – FCA North America in a statement.

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    Dodge Announces Pricing for 2018 Dodge Durango SRT: America’s Fastest, Most Powerful and Most Capable Three-Row SUV

    • New Dodge Durango SRT starts at a U.S. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $62,995 (excluding $1,095 destination)
    • New 2018 Dodge Durango SRT is the most powerful three-row SUV with its 475-horsepower legendary 392-cubic-inch HEMI® V-8 engine
    • Fastest and most capable three-row SUV with a National Hot Rod Association (NHRA)–certified quarter-mile time of 12.9 seconds and capable of 0-60 miles per hour (mph) acceleration in 4.4 seconds
    • Durango SRT out-hauls every three-row SUV on the road with best-in-class towing capability of 8,700 pounds
    • New exterior performance features include widebody exterior design and functional SRT hood with center air inlet duct flanked by heat extractors, as well as a new front fascia and lower valence to house new cold-air duct and LED fog lamps
    • Standard leather and suede, available high-performance Demonic Red Laguna leather seating and new carbon-fiber trim distinguish Durango SRT’s performance interior
    • All customers who buy a new Durango SRT will receive one full-day session at the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving
    • The new 2018 Dodge Durango SRT will start arriving in Dodge dealerships during fourth quarter 2017

    July 6, 2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - The Dodge and SRT brands are rocking the high-performance automotive world once again, bringing a huge burst of American power, acceleration and best-in-class tow capability to the three-row SUV segment with the new 2018 Dodge Durango SRT – the fastest SUV in its class.
     
    With the proven 392-cubic-inch HEMI® V-8 under its new functional SRT hood, the new 2018 Dodge Durango SRT delivers 475 horsepower and 470 lb.-ft. of torque, and a wicked fast time on the drag strip – from 0-60 miles per hour (mph) in 4.4 seconds, covering the quarter mile in 12.9 seconds as certified by the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA).
     
    “The new 2018 Dodge Durango SRT is America’s fastest, most powerful and most capable three-row SUV,” said Tim Kuniskis, Head of Passenger Cars Brands, Dodge, SRT, Chrysler and FIAT – FCA North America. “This is what you get, when you take everything great about the Durango and combine it with the performance of the Charger SRT: a 12-second quarter mile, 8,700-pound-toy hauling, three-row muscle car.”
     
    Vehicles will start arriving in Dodge dealerships in the fourth quarter of 2017 with a U.S. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $62,995 (excluding $1,095 destination).

    The new 2018 Dodge Durango SRT is loaded with standard performance features, including:

    • Proven 392-cubic-inch HEMI V-8 delivers 475 horsepower and 470 lb.-ft. of torque and 4.4-second 0-60 mph times
    • New performance-tuned AWD system helps the Durango SRT set world-class performance marks
    • Standard TorqueFlite eight-speed automatic transmission specifically calibrated for the Dodge Durango SRT to optimize shift points and deliver maximum torque to all four wheels
    • Massive new Brembo high-performance six-piston (front) and four-piston (rear) calipers and vented rotors at all four corners, measuring 15 inches (front-slotted) and 13.8 inches (rear)
    • Bilstein active-damping high-performance suspension
    • 20 in. x 10 in. Goliath wheel with Low Gloss Black Noise finish
    • New Pirelli 295/45ZR20 Scorpion Verde all-season tires or available Pirelli P Zero three-season tires
    • New widebody exterior brings the Durango SRT together as a true performance SUV
    • Newly designed SRT hood with a functional cold-air duct and heat extractors to cool the engine and improve overall performance
    • New front fascia and lower valence to house new cold-air duct and LED fog lamps
    • New performance AWD badging on liftgate
    • New interior appointments including SRT flat-bottom performance steering wheel with SRT paddle shifters, heated and ventilated front and heated second-row captain’s chairs with embroidered SRT logos
    • New driver-oriented electronic T-shifter, standard on all 2018 Durango models, provides the driver with intuitive gear selection and offers an Auto Stick selector gate for added control
    • Premium velour-bound floor mats with embroidered SRT logo
    • New SRT rear body-color lower fascia with Gloss Black accent surrounds the 4-inch dual round exhaust tips finished in Nickel Chrome
    • New 180-mph speedometer
    • New SRT seven-mode drive system gives the driver the ability to precisely adjust drive settings to maximize performance or comfort
    • New Sport Mode reduces shift times by up to 50 percent versus Auto Mode and delivers up to 65 percent of the 392 HEMI engine’s torque to the rear wheels
    • New Track Mode delivers maximum performance track driving with 160-millisecond shifts and up to 70 percent of engine torque to the rear wheels for the most pronounced rear-wheel-drive experience
    • Sophisticated Active Damping System opens and closes the Durango SRT’s suspension’s damper valves, according to which of the seven modes is chosen, giving the driver options for any driving style
    • Stiffer front springs (3 percent), stiffer rear springs (16 percent) and stiffer rear sway bar (18 percent) give Durango SRT drivers outstanding high-speed cornering capability
    • New exhaust system tuned to offer an unmistakably deep, high-performance Dodge SRT exhaust note modeled after the Dodge Charger SRT

    Available options include 20 in. x 10 in. split-five spoke wheels with Low Gloss Black Noise finish, three-season tires, trailer tow, power sunroof, Demonic Red Laguna leather seating, rear DVD entertainment and technology group. Durango SRT also has an available premium interior, which includes suede-wrapped headliner and A-pillars, true carbon-fiber instrument panel and door bezels (late availability), and a hand-wrapped instrument panel with live black and silver accent stitch.

    The 2018 Dodge Durango SRT is available in seven exterior colors, including B5 Blue (late availability), Billet Clear Coat, Bruiser Grey Clear Coat, DB Black Clear Coat, Granite Clear Coat, Octane Red Pearl Coat and White Knuckle Clear Coat.  



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    :metal: AWESOME :metal: 

    This is what GM needs to be doing to select CUV/SUVs. For the last Hurrah, I think the General needs to throw some flash! :D

    Think of a TTV6 in the Chevrolet Equinox or GMC Terrain. 6.2L V8 in the Chevrolet Traverse or GMC Acadia. :P 

    Love the expanded pics and AWD burn out on the web site.

    https://www.dodge.com/durango/srt.html

    I will say that I do miss the days when you could order a plain jane auto with the baddest motor around and just have a blast. 

    Wonder what the price difference would be for a basic Durango with the SRT Powertrain and Brembo brake package. I bet you could drop considerable money off that $64K plus price.

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    Configurator has some interesting options. Love all the color match rims you can do especially if you want a nice contrast rim color. One of the better option choices I have seen. I will say that Dodge Durango and Jeep GC are hitting it solid.

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    OK, just played with both the Jeep GC SRT configurator versus the Durango RT configurator. Both have the same 475HP Hemi engine. I actually get far more auto with the Durango. Durango wins this round. Course the SRT Looses out to the Trackhawk Jeep GC. be interesting to see how they price the two. Yes the Jeep GC has the Supercharged Hemi. but still gonna be interesting.

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    Bummer, just spent considerable time on both Chevrolet and GMC web sites looking at both Terrain / Acadia and Equinox / Traverse and hate the color options, hate the chrome and some of the options add/delete make no sense. Perfect example is you choose the external protection package which is mud flaps, side external step and roof rails, then choose the internal protection package and they want to remove the external protection package. Makes NO SENSE. Very disappointed in GM right now for crazy chrome bling everything and packages that should not affect each other being force to remove and pick one over the other. RIght now Jeep and Dodge are hitting it far better. :blink:

    3 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Way too much coin (yes I'm a cheapskate) but a damn nice ride. 

    Wait a year or two and you can pick one up for half price with ultra low miles. :P 

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    9 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Bummer, just spent considerable time on both Chevrolet and GMC web sites looking at both Terrain / Acadia and Equinox / Traverse and hate the color options, hate the chrome and some of the options add/delete make no sense. Perfect example is you choose the external protection package which is mud flaps, side external step and roof rails, then choose the internal protection package and they want to remove the external protection package. Makes NO SENSE. Very disappointed in GM right now for crazy chrome bling everything and packages that should not affect each other being force to remove and pick one over the other. RIght now Jeep and Dodge are hitting it far better. :blink:

    Wait a year or two and you can pick one up for half price with ultra low miles. :P 

    Exactly. 

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    :metal: AWESOME :metal: 

    This is what GM needs to be doing to select CUV/SUVs. For the last Hurrah, I think the General needs to throw some flash! :D

    Think of a TTV6 in the Chevrolet Equinox or GMC Terrain. 6.2L V8 in the Chevrolet Traverse or GMC Acadia. :P 

    Love the expanded pics and AWD burn out on the web site.

    https://www.dodge.com/durango/srt.html

    I will say that I do miss the days when you could order a plain jane auto with the baddest motor around and just have a blast. 

    Wonder what the price difference would be for a basic Durango with the SRT Powertrain and Brembo brake package. I bet you could drop considerable money off that $64K plus price.

    Ohhh absolutely....Were I to be in the amrket, this powertrain in this vehicle....not normally a Durango fan, but I would personally rock this all day long!

    41 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Way too much coin (yes I'm a cheapskate) but a damn nice ride. 

    Fortunately, I agree with dfelt...used amrket!

    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    OK, just played with both the Jeep GC SRT configurator versus the Durango RT configurator. Both have the same 475HP Hemi engine. I actually get far more auto with the Durango. Durango wins this round. Course the SRT Looses out to the Trackhawk Jeep GC. be interesting to see how they price the two. Yes the Jeep GC has the Supercharged Hemi. but still gonna be interesting.

    It almost seems as if the funky nature of the old dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler lives on in Jeep.  I have a crab apple tree in my side yard that has a root graft...the original root stock shows its unhappiness by sending up suckers and trying to assert its rightful nature.

    The Ghost of the old (good) chryco is trying to assert itself through Jeep.

     

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    It isn't the fastest or most powerful 3 row SUV sold in America, maybe the fastest build by FCA, Ford or GM.  But there are 3 row European SUVs that are faster.  

    But this is the FCA playbook, take old dated product, drop a big engine in and hope it stirs enough excitement to get people into dealerships, then dish out the $10,000 rebates to move metal.

    And agreed that in a couple years these will be half the price on the used market.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    It isn't the fastest or most powerful 3 row SUV sold in America, maybe the fastest build by FCA, Ford or GM.  But there are 3 row European SUVs that are faster.  

    But this is the FCA playbook, take old dated product, drop a big engine in and hope it stirs enough excitement to get people into dealerships, then dish out the $10,000 rebates to move metal.

    And agreed that in a couple years these will be half the price on the used market.

    FCA playbook indeed...Sergio wants Alfa to grow!

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    It isn't the fastest or most powerful 3 row SUV sold in America, maybe the fastest build by FCA, Ford or GM.  But there are 3 row European SUVs that are faster.  

    But this is the FCA playbook, take old dated product, drop a big engine in and hope it stirs enough excitement to get people into dealerships, then dish out the $10,000 rebates to move metal.

    And agreed that in a couple years these will be half the price on the used market.

    "Old dated product"

     

    You mean like the G Wagon? ( and yes I know there is a new one coming out after forty years but my point stands)

     

    This also undercuts those you speak of by tens of thousands of dollars (in most cases). 

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    58 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    "Old dated product"

     

    You mean like the G Wagon? ( and yes I know there is a new one coming out after forty years but my point stands)

     

    This also undercuts those you speak of by tens of thousands of dollars (in most cases). 

    And this is the rub...it would cost me 140 thousand dollars to buy a nicely equipped Benz like the one I posted up in the morning in the Dream Car Garage Ultimate Luxury edition.

    In real world terms, I can buy a perfectly fun car for 25 to 35 grand...

    Saving a hundred and ten grand per car ads up after awhile.

    But I do want to see FCA invest in domestic brand names. SMK is not incorrect in what he is saying.

    My 24 year old sons 23 year old Girlfriend wants a G wagon sooooo badly...

    Like Balthazar said, sometimes it is more about desirability.

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    "Old dated product"

     

    You mean like the G Wagon? ( and yes I know there is a new one coming out after forty years but my point stands)

     

    This also undercuts those you speak of by tens of thousands of dollars (in most cases). 

    G-wagen is one product, and they left it like that because that is what the people buying it want.   The rest of their line is pretty fresh.  FCA is still selling cars based off a 90s E-class.   Their newest engine is the Pentastar V6 which came out 7 years ago.  The Hemi in these SRT's and in the 5.7 liter form are over 10 years old.

    And in a way Sergio is smart for doing it.  If he starves Dodge and Chrysler of new product, he milks the current stuff for every last dollar without spending any money, and in time he can kill one model after another, until nothing is left. Then he can finally get his merger with someone else because he sees Jeep and Alfa as his merger bait.

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    1 minute ago, balthazar said:

    Same reason GM left the W-Body Impala 'like that so long' - because the people buying it wanted it that way. ;)

    Hertz and the other rental companies anyway.

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    "Old dated product"

     

    You mean like the G Wagon? ( and yes I know there is a new one coming out after forty years but my point stands)

     

    This also undercuts those you speak of by tens of thousands of dollars (in most cases). 

    Both the Durango and Grand Cherokee have been in nearly constant refresh since they debuted. Every year there is a change to keep them up to date. They just got the updated Pentastar last year. The 8 speed auto 2 years prior along with an interior refresh. Updated suspension for the R/T model.

    These are still excellent SUVs that sit in a niche that no other manufacturer occupies.  They are the only SUVs in the segment with V8s and they have by far the highest tow ratings of non-truck passenger vehicles this side of a Suburban. They're comfortable, fast, handle well, and get surprisingly good mpg for their size.

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    36 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Both the Durango and Grand Cherokee have been in nearly constant refresh since they debuted. Every year there is a change to keep them up to date. They just got the updated Pentastar last year. The 8 speed auto 2 years prior along with an interior refresh. Updated suspension for the R/T model.

    These are still excellent SUVs that sit in a niche that no other manufacturer occupies.  They are the only SUVs in the segment with V8s and they have by far the highest tow ratings of non-truck passenger vehicles this side of a Suburban. They're comfortable, fast, handle well, and get surprisingly good mpg for their size.

    Once again the voice of reason.

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    16 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Sorry @surreal1272 I meant to quote @smk4565.

    @smk4565 the Pentastar is majorly redesigned for 2016. It has always been an excellent V6 in the class. If it is performing it's job correctly, who cares how old the original design is?

     

    Kind of Ironic because I have a childhood memory of people trying to kill a 1960s era slant six by draining the oil and running it dry.  That thing ran for a good long time before it sized up.

    And as a teenager I knew quite a few Indiana farmers who swore by the slant six.

    Cool that all these years later they still build an awesome six!

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    10 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Sorry @surreal1272 I meant to quote @smk4565.

    @smk4565 the Pentastar is majorly redesigned for 2016. It has always been an excellent V6 in the class. If it is performing it's job correctly, who cares how old the original design is?

     

    I've driven a 300 with the Pentastar, wasn't impressed.  I'd take a Honda or Infiniti V6 over it, and the GM 3.6, and maybe the Pentastar is as good as the 3.5 V6 Ford had in the old MKZ.  

    Here's another problem though, the Pentastar V6 still has to be used in a lot of cars who's competitors have turbo 4's making similar torque with better MPG.  Even in their own company, the Alfa Romeo 4 cylinder gets better mileage with more torque.

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    5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I've driven a 300 with the Pentastar, wasn't impressed.  I'd take a Honda or Infiniti V6 over it, and the GM 3.6, and maybe the Pentastar is as good as the 3.5 V6 Ford had in the old MKZ.  

    Here's another problem though, the Pentastar V6 still has to be used in a lot of cars who's competitors have turbo 4's making similar torque with better MPG.  Even in their own company, the Alfa Romeo 4 cylinder gets better mileage with more torque.

    I drove a 300 with a Pentastar and it blew me away in a good sort of way.  Not even on the same planet as the Ford 3.5.

    Also, in all honesty have you ever met a Domestic car you liked?  Not sure the problem is the cars and trucks...

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    5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I've driven a 300 with the Pentastar, wasn't impressed.  I'd take a Honda or Infiniti V6 over it, and the GM 3.6, and maybe the Pentastar is as good as the 3.5 V6 Ford had in the old MKZ.  

    Here's another problem though, the Pentastar V6 still has to be used in a lot of cars who's competitors have turbo 4's making similar torque with better MPG.  Even in their own company, the Alfa Romeo 4 cylinder gets better mileage with more torque.

    I am so done with the full boost torque thing from you. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT GETS MORE TORQUE IF YOU HAVE TO USE FULL BOOST TO GET IT!

    Take the turbo away from a 2.0T for a moment.... what are you driving?  A 2 liter 4-cylinder.  At partial throttle with a couple PSI boost... maybe you're driving the equivalent of a 2.5 liter 4-cylinder. It's only under absolute full throttle and boost that you ever get to those V6 torque numbers.

    When you're driving a 3.6, you're driving a 3.6. The Pentastar and the GM 3.6 can both shut down 2 cylinders and run as a 4-cylinder.  Those spare cylinders can power back up faster than any turbo. It takes no more than 2 revolutions of the crank. 

    In normal driving, a bigger displacement engine that produces torque sooner (without lag) at a lower RPM is more desireable than something one needs to mash the throttle to get it moving.  The heavier the car, the more this is true. 

    8/9/10 speed automatics don't help all that much either... they take away some of the downsides of turbos, but there is still more steps:  1. Press throttle. 2 downshift to allow engine RPM to raise. 3. Spool up turbo.... wait.... wait.... wait...... . 4. Go

    I like the looks of the new Traverse and I think in the V6 model it will be a decent, if a bit uninspiring, drive.  However, no lie, the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard the base model was coming with the 2.0T was "That is going to be the most un-fun vehicle to drive of 2018."  But sure.. it has "the same torque as the V6".  People are going to be so into the boost that they'll ruin any gain in fuel economy.  It's happened with Hyundai, it's happened with Ford, and it will happen in the Traverse.

    When I drive... I like 2 steps:

    1. Press throttle

    2. giphy.gif

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    37 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    I drove a 300 with a Pentastar and it blew me away in a good sort of way.  Not even on the same planet as the Ford 3.5.

    Also, in all honesty have you ever met a Domestic car you liked?  Not sure the problem is the cars and trucks...

    Yes, the Oldsmobile Aurora 4.0 that I drove for 10 years.

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    13 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Yes, the Oldsmobile Aurora 4.0 that I drove for 10 years.

    Awesome!  I did not mean that question as a threat.  Actually enjoying your enthusiasm for Benz and am attempting to learn more about Mercedes.

    Never realized how many we had on the road until I started looking around here in Columbus.

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    27 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I am so done with the full boost torque thing from you. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT GETS MORE TORQUE IF YOU HAVE TO USE FULL BOOST TO GET IT!

    Take the turbo away from a 2.0T for a moment.... what are you driving?  A 2 liter 4-cylinder.  At partial throttle with a couple PSI boost... maybe you're driving the equivalent of a 2.5 liter 4-cylinder. It's only under absolute full throttle and boost that you ever get to those V6 torque numbers.

    When you're driving a 3.6, you're driving a 3.6. The Pentastar and the GM 3.6 can both shut down 2 cylinders and run as a 4-cylinder.  Those spare cylinders can power back up faster than any turbo. It takes no more than 2 revolutions of the crank. 

    In normal driving, a bigger displacement engine that produces torque sooner (without lag) at a lower RPM is more desireable than something one needs to mash the throttle to get it moving.  The heavier the car, the more this is true. 

    8/9/10 speed automatics don't help all that much either... they take away some of the downsides of turbos, but there is still more steps:  1. Press throttle. 2 downshift to allow engine RPM to raise. 3. Spool up turbo.... wait.... wait.... wait...... . 4. Go

    I like the looks of the new Traverse and I think in the V6 model it will be a decent, if a bit uninspiring, drive.  However, no lie, the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard the base model was coming with the 2.0T was "That is going to be the most un-fun vehicle to drive of 2018."  But sure.. it has "the same torque as the V6".  People are going to be so into the boost that they'll ruin any gain in fuel economy.  It's happened with Hyundai, it's happened with Ford, and it will happen in the Traverse.

    When I drive... I like 2 steps:

    1. Press throttle

    2. giphy.gif

    But the Pentastar makes peak torque at 4,800 rpm.  How often in normal driving are you at 4,800 rpm?   The Giulia has 306 lb-ft at 2,000 rpm, and most people are always round 2,000 rpm, and accessing full torque.  This is why the 2 liter Giulia can equal a 5.7 liter Hemi V8 Charger/300 0-60.

    This will be even more amplified with electric turbos that don't need exhaust pressure to spool up.  The new Mercedes inline six with that can spool the turbo to 70,000 rpm in 0.3 seconds, so that is pretty quick, I doubt the Pentastar can get from 1,000 to 4,800 rpm in .3 seconds.

    Just now, A Horse With No Name said:

    Awesome!  I did not mean that question as a threat.  Actually enjoying your enthusiasm for Benz and am attempting to learn more about Mercedes.

    Never realized how many we had on the road until I started looking around here in Columbus.

    I thought the Aurora was a really good car, it had a few thousand dollars in repairs around 100k miles, then was pretty good until I got up around 140-150k miles and it was going to need more work, and just wasn't worth keeping anymore.  Silky smooth V8 in those with ash Northstar get outta my way roar.  It wasn't the most powerful or fastest car, the 0-60 was like 7.4 seconds, but it sounded good.  That car suffered from the 4 speed auto, even if it had a 5 speed auto it would have been a big improvement.  

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    6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    But the Pentastar makes peak torque at 4,800 rpm.  How often in normal driving are you at 4,800 rpm?   The Giulia has 306 lb-ft at 2,000 rpm, and most people are always round 2,000 rpm, and accessing full torque.  This is why the 2 liter Giulia can equal a 5.7 liter Hemi V8 Charger/300 0-60.

    This will be even more amplified with electric turbos that don't need exhaust pressure to spool up.  The new Mercedes inline six with that can spool the turbo to 70,000 rpm in 0.3 seconds, so that is pretty quick, I doubt the Pentastar can get from 1,000 to 4,800 rpm in .3 seconds.

    You still fail. You have completely misunderstood what the torque charts are showing you. Just because an engine is turning 2,000 rpm and has a peak torque rating at that same RPM does not mean the engine is producing that torque. Think about that for a moment.

    The engine can be spinning at 2,000 rpm at both 1/4 throttle and full throttle. In which throttle position do you think the engine is making more torque?

    The Giulia only has that torque at full boost which means near to or actual full throttle.  Moving at 45mph at 2,000 rpm the Giulia is not making 306 lb-ft.... it's making whatever a basic, unboosted 2.0 4-cylinder would make... probably no more than 100 lb-ft. When more speed is called for, it needs to downshift, spool up the turbo, and then go.  If it is a manual and you don't downshift, you lug the engine and the turbo lag is even more pronounced. 

    So, for those reasons, I don't care where peak torque is because that's only under full throttle... I care what the engine does for me at partial throttle. At partial throttle in a 2.0T, I'm driving a 2 liter.... in a 3.6, I'm driving a 3.6 liter.  You drive a V8... you know the difference I'm talking about. Would you trade your V8 for a less responsive engine that needed to shift more just to provide similar peak output that you rarely use?

    The benz is an electronically driven turbo (I would call it a supercharger since it operates independently of exhaust output).  That is entirely different technology than the existing turbos we are discussing. Don't try moving goal posts. 

     

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