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    Hyundai Santa Cruz Pickup is Still Coming

      Just a few bumps on the road to get there

    Ever since Hyundai revealed the Santa Cruz concept back at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show, there have been questions whether or not it would make it to production. The last we heard anything about the truck was last August where the home office finally gave the green light to go forward with the project. No time frame was given at the time. 

    Speaking to Motor Trend, Hyundai Motor America's chief operating officer Brian Smith said Santa Cruz will likely arrive in 2020 or so. Smith also revealed that the model would be using the Tuscon's platform.

    “We love it, we talk about it a lot,” said Smith.

    It is unclear whether Hyundai is planning to change up the Santa Cruz's design or not.

    Getting the Santa Cruz from concept to this point has been long and arduous. Then-CEO Dave Zuchowski pushed hard for this model to go into production after it got enough positive feedback. In 2016, Hyundai reportedly gave the ok for the project to go forward and Zuchowski said an official announcement was coming. The plan was to have the Santa Fe launched in 2018 as a 2019 model. But things fell apart only a year later as Zuchowski was shown the door due to falling sales. The champion for the Santa Cruz was lost and the model was up in the air.

    Now, it seems things are back on track.

    Source: Motor Trend



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    Very cool as I liked the look of this concept, but I have to doubt it will ever really get built. They are watching Honda and the Ridgeline 2.0 according to Motor Trend and sales for the first 3 months of 2018 has the Honda Truck down 30% which does make one wonder about Unibody pickups. Also VW is testing the waters for a Unibody pickup and while they believe they could sell from 50-70K units a year, the Honda Ridgeline has sold 7005 through the end of March, that means a total of 28,020 trucks for the year and this is down 30% from last year.

    I question them investing in a truck that has such low sales numbers. Currently the Honda Ridgeline average transaction price as of this week is $40,723. 

    40,723 * 28,020 = $1,141,058,460.00

    OK, can they R&D, tool up, build, support and do a truck for $500 million looking at sales of $1 billion? :scratchchin: Maybe........

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    Well, it's not going to look anything like that.  My bet is that Hyundai is just trying to beat VW to market. 

    @dfelt, so much of the R&D is done already. 90% of the interior and mechanical bits are probably found on the Santa Fe.

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    Hyundai definitely needs to build this, I said that when the concept first came out.  I am sure it won't look like the concept but they need a pickup.  And I think a unibody design that has the same towing and weight hauling ability of a Santa Fe is fine, because for a lot of people that is all they need.  I also think there are people that may want a pick up (and possibly a lot of females) but don't want something so truck like and high off the ground or with a 10,000 lb tow rating since they will never tow.  

    The current pick up trucks are almost the SUV equivalent of the 3-row SUV, well not everyone needs a 3-row or can afford it, so all these small SUVs exploded onto the market.  Small pickups can make a rise too, and I mean smaller than a Colorado or Tacoma.

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    Owners will have to put up with some negative vibes from people who think they know it all trolling them in public over their unibody truck.. 

    Sometimes I think a better looking/executed Honda Element could do well these days.

     

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    I have seen only a few Ridgelines around here, and around here is F-Series country (with a lot of Silverados and Sierras too).  This unibody Hyundai will have a tough time convincing traditional truck buyers to actually want one, especially in the era of the CUV.  I also doubt that Hyundai's new unibody pickup will make inroads against the Colorado/Canyon, let alone the Tacoma.

    I will ask the same question that also applies to the Ridgeline and its fairly low sales numbers: why would anyone buy a midsize or compact unibody pickup truck?!

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    While I think it's cool....it's coming to late.

    By the time this thing finally rolls out, gas prices could be sky high again. Vw can find success with theirs because it's quirky, cool-but not going to be a huge seller. 

    Though as said above 90% is already done-so they can adjust stuff on the fly.

    Also question if folks will still be interested......

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    3 hours ago, frogger said:

    Gas prices are already sky high up here again

    Agreed, Last week Seattle was in the mid $2.20-$2.30 a gallon and the Anacortes oil refinery was shutdown as they were changing over from winter blends to summer blend gas. This week $3.09 a gallon. WTF, clearly an investigation into oil manipulation of refined gas needs to be done as you just do not have big jumps when the trading price is not changing that much.

    Something Stinks and I smell Big Oil Manipulation!

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    12 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I think I saw 2.69 here today. For whatever that's worth, lol. 

    Same here in SWFL.  And less than two weeks ago, it was $2.50 for regular.

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    $2.89- $2.93 here.  New Santa Fe has a trucky face, I can see that face on a pickup version of the Santa Fe.  Base model Ioniq has an MSRP of only $21k, seems like a good deal for 58 MPG.

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    10 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    Same here in SWFL.  And less than two weeks ago, it was $2.50 for regular.

    Yup, same here. It wasn't long ago that it was in the 2.50's for awhile.

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    On 4/25/2018 at 10:03 AM, ccap41 said:

    Premium? 

    Definitely Premium.  Around here, premium is as high as $3.289 a gallon.

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    On 4/25/2018 at 7:03 AM, ccap41 said:

    Premium? 

    Nope, regular unleaded.

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    Premium

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    Diesel

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    I usually fuel up at Fred Meyers and they were $3.179 that morning and now $3.199 in the afternoon. Crazy, But I use the following site to check out prices.

    http://www.washingtongasprices.com/GasPriceSearch.aspx

    This site is focused on washington but uses the Gas buddy search engine.

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    Yes, we are close to $3 for regular and well over $3 for premium.

    Thank you, Chris Christy, you a$$hole!

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    15 minutes ago, ykX said:

    Yes, we are close to $3 for regular and well over $3 for premium.

    Thank you, Chris Christy, you a$$hole!

    Phil Murphy is the Gov since Jan 2018. How is the current price the blame of Chris Christy?

    Do not get me wrong as I think he is a criminal as well as a bad gov, but just wondering how the current gas price is his fault?

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    10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Phil Murphy is the Gov since Jan 2018. How is the current price the blame of Chris Christy?

    Do not get me wrong as I think he is a criminal as well as a bad gov, but just wondering how the current gas price is his fault?

    Christy raised gas tax by 23 cent for a gallon.  So despite high taxes we at least used to have cheap gas.  Now not only we have one of the highest taxes in the US but also one of the highest gas prices as well.

    Christy made a compromise with democrats that at least they will lower sales tax to compensate for a gas tax, and now our wonderful new governor wants to roll back the sales tax while of course keeping the gas tax hike in place.  Got to love politicians ...

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    9 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Nope, regular unleaded.

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    Premium

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    Diesel

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    I usually fuel up at Fred Meyers and they were $3.179 that morning and now $3.199 in the afternoon. Crazy, But I use the following site to check out prices.

    http://www.washingtongasprices.com/GasPriceSearch.aspx

    This site is focused on washington but uses the Gas buddy search engine.

    Holy sht that's pricey out there. 

    When I went past a gas station today I saw regulat 2.79 and diesel 3.04. They didn't have premium on the sign. 

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    37 minutes ago, ykX said:

    Christy raised gas tax by 23 cent for a gallon.  So despite high taxes we at least used to have cheap gas.  Now not only we have one of the highest taxes in the US but also one of the highest gas prices as well.

    Christy made a compromise with democrats that at least they will lower sales tax to compensate for a gas tax, and now our wonderful new governor wants to roll back the sales tax while of course keeping the gas tax hike in place.  Got to love politicians ...

    Taxes are going to explode here under Murphy. I'd not be surprised to see the property tax cap undone, also.
    Moremoremoremoremore, always more.

    Regular today is 2.63 here... picture it being 2.40 instead.

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    2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Holy sht that's pricey out there. 

    When I went past a gas station today I saw regulat 2.79 and diesel 3.04. They didn't have premium on the sign. 

    Keep it in perspective, we DO NOT have a state Income tax and our property taxes are still some of the lowest in the country. Sales tax is 10% but so is California which also has a state income tax. Pay as you go state.

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    Hopefully we won't have to worry about California sullying the works for too much longer, they will be a rogue nation.

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    54 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    Hopefully we won't have to worry about California sullying the works for too much longer, they will be a rogue nation.

    That will NEVER happen, the Feds rely on California for their budget way too much.

    Top 15 states in order of federal tax collections.

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    3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Oh God- look at Jersey's numbers. Revenue per capita... why am I still here??

    Just be glad your not in Mass or Minn those states gotta suck.

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    Jersey is worse than Mass- look again.

    I understand the bigger over all number, but was looking at Mass bigger revenue per cap and % numbers which is bigger than Jersey. All still suck.

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    7 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I understand the bigger over all number, but was looking at Mass bigger revenue per cap and % numbers which is bigger than Jersey. All still suck.

    MA per capita revenue is $12,011.
    NJ per capita revenue is $12,564.
    Yes; both suck but Jersey can brag it's #2 on this list. 🤬

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    17 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Oh God- look at Jersey's numbers. Revenue per capita... why am I still here??

    There's a lot more wealth in NJ also. It comes from being the bedroom state for NYC and Philly.

    Out in the middle of Pennsyltucky or even here in the smoldering ruins of former steel towns, there's not much revenue to collect on a dilapidated mobile home.

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    I would rather stick with a body-on-frame pickup truck, much more rugged.  The Tacomas are nice.  They just seem to go on and on and on.  The SR5 Access Cab 4X4 V6 comes nicely equipped.

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    40 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    I would rather stick with a body-on-frame pickup truck, much more rugged.  The Tacomas are nice.  They just seem to go on and on and on.  The SR5 Access Cab 4X4 V6 comes nicely equipped.

    How easy would it be for Toyota to build a 4Runner EXT? 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    How easy would it be for Toyota to build a 4Runner EXT? 

    I imagine it would be relatively easy if they were into it.  I like the normal 4Runner, but the Limited looks so "tarted up", ugh.  The 4Runner in general sticks to a tried and true formula.

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    On 4/27/2018 at 8:31 PM, dfelt said:

    That will NEVER happen, the Feds rely on California for their budget way too much.

    Top 15 states in order of federal tax collections.

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    I wonder what the bottom 10 are...

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    On 4/28/2018 at 4:22 AM, balthazar said:

    MA per capita revenue is $12,011.
    NJ per capita revenue is $12,564.
    Yes; both suck but Jersey can brag it's #2 on this list. 🤬

    oops, yup overlooked that, totally sucks.

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    On 4/27/2018 at 7:31 PM, dfelt said:

    That will NEVER happen, the Feds rely on California for their budget way too much.

    Top 15 states in order of federal tax collections.

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    Yeah... sadly they have a massive economy out there. Aren't they in the top 10 in the world, just California? 

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    It is an interesting list.. I've lived in 3 of the top 15, and there are a 1/2 dozen others in there I'd consider living in (some w/ strong tech economies). 

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      Nearly two years ago, I drove the then all-new Hyundai Kona crossover at a press event. It was a unique looking vehicle that was entering the growing subcompact crossover class. Out of the three Hyundai vehicles I drove, the Kona impressed me most with its performance and value for money. But if there is something I have learned over eight years with reviewing vehicles, is that I can’t take first impressions as final. It has been a long wait, but I finally got my hands on a 2020 Kona Ultimate AWD. Let’s see if my first impression can still hold up.
      The Outer Limits (of Exterior Design)
      You may be forgiven for thinking that the Kona has just arrived in a UFO from Planet Nine due to its shape. But Hyundai knew they needed to make a splash in what is becoming a very competitive class. Designers took some influence from the Jeep Cherokee with a rounded front end and the front lights being separated into daytime lights and headlights. Another design trait is the slit that sits between the grille and hood cutline. Finishing off the look is body cladding running along the lower edge and a bright green paint color only available on the turbo engine models. It may seem like an odd mashup of ideas, but it works surprisingly well.
      A Conventional Interior
      Some will be disappointed that Hyundai didn’t continue the wacky design for the Kona’s interior. But having an interior that is user friendly will always pull ahead of interesting design. That isn’t to say Hyundai hasn’t added some special touches such as vent surrounds and seat stitching matching the exterior color. Hard plastics are used throughout, but they don’t feel hollow or cheap when you run your hand across.
      There is a fair amount of space for those sitting upfront. Comfort is ok for short trips, but I found myself wanting more thigh support on longer trips. In the back, there is a large amount of headroom for most passengers. Legroom is a different story as tall people will find their knees pressed against the front seats. Cargo space is another area where the Kona is lacking. With the rear seats up, the Kona’s cargo area measures 19.2 cubic feet - about 0.1 cubic feet more than the Toyota C-HR. Fold them down and space increases to 45.8. This trails the likes of the Chevrolet Trax, Nissan Kicks, and Honda HR-V.
      The One To Still Be Beaten (Infotainment-wise)
      The Kona Ultimate comes equipped with an eight-inch touchscreen featuring Hyundai’s infotainment system. This system has consistently been one of my favorites as Hyundai nails the basics - simple interface, blazing-fast performance, and having features such as Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. My only complaint is that the design is starting to look dated when compared to other automakers and their updated infotainment. 
      Turbo Power!
      Two powertrains are available in the Kona. SE, SEL, and SEL Plus use the 2.0L four-cylinder offering 147 horsepower and 132 pound-feet of torque. It’s paired with a six-speed automatic. Limited and Ultimate come with the turbocharged 1.6L four producing 175 horsepower and 195 pound-feet. This is paired with a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission. Front or all-wheel drive is available for either engine.
      Zippy is the word to describe the performance of the turbo engine. The Kona easily accelerates away from a stop and has no issue with passing a slower vehicle. The dual-clutch transmission seems to stumble when leaving a stop, but does get itself together at higher speeds. I also found the transmission is slow to react when your floor the throttle, taking a few milliseconds to downshift.
      EPA fuel economy figures for the 1.6T with AWD are 26 City/29 Highway/27 Combined. My average for the week landed around 26.7 mpg, mostly due to cold weather during the week I had the Kona.
      Woah, This Crossover Handles
      If you wanted a subcompact crossover that handled decently, your choices were either the Mazda CX-3 or Toyota C-HR. The Kona enters the ring as the third choice, and possibly the best. On the backroads, the Kona feels quite agile and has almost no body roll. If I was to nitpick, the steering doesn’t have as much feel as you’ll find in the CX-3. But it feels noticeably better than the C-HR. Ride quality is impressive with most bumps being isolated from passengers sitting inside. Not too much wind and road noise come inside.
      Possibly the Best Subcompact Crossover At the Moment
      Hyundai has a very compelling package in the Kona. There is an excellent performance from the turbocharged engine, impressive driving dynamics, easy to use infotainment system, and a long list of standard equipment. There are some drawbacks with the small cargo area and rear legroom topping the list. If you need the space, a Honda HR-V would be my first pick. The dual-clutch transmission still needs a bit more work to iron out the hesitation issues I experienced. 
      That first impression I had still stands and moves the Kona not only being the best in the class at the moment, but also onto a very rarefied list; a vehicle I would considering buying.
      How I Would Configure A Kona: The only reason I see buying the Ultimate is for the adaptive cruise control as most of the other safety equipment such as blind spot monitoring, parking sensors, and forward collision avoidance are available on other models. So if I wanted the Turbo engine, then I would step down to the Limited at $26,100. For those who think that is a tad expensive still should consider the SEL Plus as it comes very well equipped for $23,950. You do sacrifice the turbo engine for the 2.0L four-cylinder which is fine if your planning to drive mostly around town. Add an additional $1,400 for all-wheel drive.
      Disclaimer: Hyundai Provided the Kona, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2020
      Make: Hyundai
      Model: Kona
      Trim: Ultimate
      Engine: 1.6L Turbocharged DOHC 16-Valve GDI Four-Cylinder
      Driveline: Seven-Speed Dual-Clutch, All-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 175 @ 5,500
      Torque @ RPM: 195 @ 1,500 - 4,500
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 26/29/27
      Curb Weight: 3,276 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Ulsan, South Korea
      Base Price: $29,150
      As Tested Price: $ 30,380 (Includes $1,095.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Carpeted Floor Mats - $135.00

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