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    Electrics Soar In EU while Diesel Fades

      ...in a market that continues to decline, EVs are doing well...

    The European car market as a whole has been in decline for six consecutive months as of March 2019 with 19 out of 27 markets posting declines.  March numbers were down 3.6 percent over the same month in 2018.  Looking at the first quarter of 2019 paints an even bleaker picture with only 6 countries recording growth.

    While overall demand is down, the demand for electric vehicles grows. The sales of EVs exceeded 100,000 units for the first time ever with a total of 125,400 EV and PHEVs sold.  That is an increase of 31%, mostly in Germany, Norway, Spain, and the Netherlands.  Much of that growth is attributed to the Tesla Model 3 entering the market and becoming Europe's top selling electric car.  Model 3 sales jumped from 3,747 units in February to 15,755 units in March. It was also the best selling premium mid-size car in the EU. 

    Diesel on the other hand is facing continuing losses. Registrations of new diesels have moved from 44.8 percent of all registrations in March 2017 to 31.2 percent of all registrations in March 2019. Analysts expect diesel to continue to fade as more cities put in diesel bans and stricter emissions regulations come into effect. 

    Source: Newspress.co.uk

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    Proving that there is a market for EVs even if some folks want to close their eyes to the obvious. 

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    ocnblu

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    Wow, you even made your signature an ode to ME.  How sweet!  Now I know just how important I am to you, even when you're not here.

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    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    Wow, you even made your signature an ode to ME.  How sweet!  Now I know just how important I am to you, even when you're not here.

    When you make future remarks about others trolling, I want you to look back on posts like this as to why it is hypocritical. Oh and you’re not the only person on this planet I have talked to about EVs and who has a problem with them. It a blanket statement about those who refuse to see progress. Not everything is about you. 

     

    Now do you have anything non-trolling to add here or is that all?

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    Other than the natural progression of EVs in the marketplace, it seems that the negative PR that comes with diesel these days is probably playing a big part in the increase in sales there. 

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    8 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    others trolling

    You could have posted something positive about EVs since you are one of those people, instead you try to incite others with your comment and your signature.

    The EU is a fractured entity, insignificant and losing steam, overrun by immigrants who will not assimilate.  Look at France.  Look at Britain, desperate to break away, desperate to return to sovereign status over its own people.  A failed experiment.

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    8 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    You could have posted something positive about EVs since you are one of those people, instead you try to incite others with your comment and your signature.

    The EU is a fractured entity, insignificant and losing steam, overrun by immigrants who will not assimilate.  Look at France.  Look at Britain, desperate to break away, desperate to return to sovereign status over its own people.  A failed experiment.

    You are owed nothing from me and both of my posts about EVs here were of the positive. If all you want to do is focus on my signature because you seemingly have the notion that it’s all about you, then that is our problem. The only one inciting here is you. I love your little “since you’re one of those people” jab like that is supposed to be an insult. Not taking your bait ocnblu so get over it and move on. 

     

    Now, about the actual subject,

     

    The politics (or how you perceive them) have nothing to do with the growing sales of EVs while sales of other cars have been sagging or flat. 

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    3.6% is nothing, a 'standard wiggle' that happens with a variety of regular factors. No commercial product sees uninterrupted, continual upward growth. But financial analysts will point to such with loud fingers, spewing 'significance' & proclaiming it is 'proof' of something.

    Reading elsewhere on the subject- while EU EVs "nearly doubled" in February, EVs were still under 2% of the market there.

    Also, making overall judgements on the 'EU market' of 27 countries is probably disingenuous, as the individual numbers are all over the scale, again; for various commonplace reasons. +36% to –15%. 

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    Already figure that diesel is the only car that is heading toward it’s deathbed. The days are numbered as is it’s usefulness...

    ICE and EV are the future. One will alway need the other. You never want to have just one form to get around anyways...

     

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    If diesel trucks aren't, ever, going anywhere, it's hard to image in there's no room for diesel cars too.

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    Well it's good to know there are other clear thinkers out there.  A lot of times it feels like I'm the only clearheaded individual /EV skeptic, especially in here.  I have to be vocal to be heard.  I feel like an Australian Shepherd amid a flock of unruly sheep.

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    Here's the question.. @ocnblu... why do U have such a love for ICE's? Hate against EV? They both motivate. Is it the "enthusiast passion" argument? 

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    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    Well it's good to know there are other clear thinkers out there.  A lot of times it feels like I'm the only clearheaded individual /EV skeptic, especially in here.  I have to be vocal to be heard.  I feel like an Australian Shepherd amid a flock of unruly sheep.

    Me believes you think too highly of yourself. “Australian Shepherd”? More like a neurotic Jack Russell Terrier looking to nip at anyone’s ankles whenever positive news comes out regarding EVs. Nothing clear headed about it while others (speaking against EVs) do it with more tact and actual common sense. 

     

    The pace may be questioned. The marketing may be questioned. Hell, all sorts of things can be questioned where EVs are concerned but it is coming and it will eventually be the new norm and not the outlier or exception. That is the way of the technological world where some diehard anti-EV folks will join the ranks of folks like the flat earth society while the rest of us move on. 

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Read what I actually said though (in response to ocnblu). I know that specific policies have affected it but his claim was more about their politics in general and even their immigration “issues”. Below is what I replied to but you are correct on the specific policies.

     

    The EU is a fractured entity, insignificant and losing steam, overrun by immigrants who will not assimilate.  Look at France.  Look at Britain, desperate to break away, desperate to return to sovereign status over its own people.  A failed experiment.

     

     

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    5 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

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    Edited 4 hours ago by Drew Dowdell
    No personal attacks.

    Hmmm...

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    22 hours ago, balthazar said:

    If diesel trucks aren't, ever, going anywhere, it's hard to image in there's no room for diesel cars too.

    Well, maybe EV trucks then?

    Trucks I am sure will hang around for a while,  sales are crashing on the cars. You get enough companies like Ford that will wipe out a whole line, and you never know!

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    15 hours ago, ykX said:

    EVs are coming like it or not.  It will take some time until they are really common, but I see more and more electric vehicles on the road in US and Europe and more and more manufacturers starting to work on EVs extensively.  

    As soon as more EV will be available on the market and as soon as prices will come down to a more affordable level the market will explode.  The new generation of young people that used to plug in and charge their smartphones, tablets and laptops will embrace it quickly and without hesitation.  They feel more familiar with charging their gadgets than dealing with smelly gas, oil and grease.  The new generation is more eco conscious as well which makes electrics more attractive to them.  EVs require less maintenance as well which a lot of people will love.

    Adding one thing to that......I think you’ll see more “public” EVs (like buses) as the younger generation does not like to drive....

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    oldshurst442

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    On 4/29/2019 at 7:53 PM, ocnblu said:

     

    The EU is a fractured entity, insignificant and losing steam, overrun by immigrants who will not assimilate.  Look at France.  Look at Britain, desperate to break away, desperate to return to sovereign status over its own people.  A failed experiment.

    I thought we were not supposed to talk about politics in here...

    Dont you make it a point every single time to tell us about the forum rules about politics when politics are brought up?

    What does immigration in the UK and France have to do with soaring (or not) of EV sales in Europe?

    And since we are on this topic...

    Failed experiment you say?

    Image result for statue of liberty give me your tired

    So that above...has failed?

    Because I thought, what that poem above represents, is one of many reasons why America is great...and why America got to be great in the first place...

    And let us not forget, that if we are not First Nation natives, we are all immigrants to this continent...

    I would agree with your sentiment about experiment failing if you and I were this guy...

    Image result for indian crying commercial

    Because nobody asked that guy if we were actually welcomed here...

    We actually forced ourselves unto this place...

    The irony of your statement though...

     un-assimilated European "settlers"  through the point of view of the...Redskins...the Injuns, the savages...right?

    Well, at least the French settlers at first, made peace and trade with the peoples here....so there is that...

    PS:  EU is failing for other reasons...not for "un-assimilated" immigrants...

    PSS:

    The un-assimilated immigrants of French and British immigration has more to do with their own past colonial ways...and how karma has bitten them in the ass for that... and yup...oh the irony...

     

     

     

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    Immigration issues are not political, they are human.  I did not break my own rule, which is to adhere to rules posted here but not obeyed.  Although I did mention Bernie Sanders recently.  But that was a goose/gander situation and it happens only once in a blue moon.

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    3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Immigration issues are not political, they are human.  I did not break my own rule, which is to adhere to rules posted here but not obeyed.  Although I did mention Bernie Sanders recently.  But that was a goose/gander situation and it happens only once in a blue moon.

    (DISCLAIMER: There is a lot to process here. I hope you take the time to read it instead of mocking it...)

    Immigration is certainly a political issue...

    Especially the way you shoehorned it in the conversation...

    And...like I said...Europe's problems, Brexit, are not only social, which in turn is political, but economical and especially about power....which is in fact...political...

    politics: derived from an ancient  GREEK word politika which means "affairs of the cities".   Polis is city in GREEK.

    Politikos in ancient and in modern Greek means of or relating to citizens which in turn there is another GREEK word politis which is citizen.

    Politics in English refers to the governance of an area.  And "governance" includes all kinds of stuff and ideas. And those stuff and ideas are governed by and to the people of that area. Much like that original Greek word and idea where the English word and idea comes from.

    Now...I understand CheersandGears rules and regulations...but in reality POLITICS are EVERYWHERE.

    In fact...discussing ChearsandGears rules and regulations are indeed POLITICS...

    We are a community. We are citizens of the domain CheersandGears and we have guidelines in place to govern our behaviours and how we are to interact with each other. We have rules and regulations and rights on how to post and where to post and what to post.

    We also have a leader leading us...

    So...THAT is why I get all antsy when some of us get all whiny about politics. Because politics are indeed everywhere. But wanted to make it clear to you immigration is indeed politics.

    Education, is indeed politics. RELIGION is indeed politcs.  Automobile manufacturing sometimes falls into the category of politics.  Even in a micro point of view ONLY consisting a small area not necessarily involving vast territories.

    Example:  GM and Ford blocking Tesla to sell automobiles in Michigan without a proper dealership network. 

    Firstly though, I wanted to make it clear that UK and French immigration have LITTLE to do with their Eurocentric problems. 

    UK and French immigration is from their own dibble and dabble into their very own colonial and political ways of the past that have come back to haunt them a couple of centuries later. 

    England and France wanted to settle and colonize the world. 

    They conquered old and new places and instead of the English and the French to ASSIMILATE to their NEWLY CONQUERED territories, they wanted to CONVERT the CONQUERED into THEIR OWN WAYS.

    THAT opened up the door for the conquered to get "cultured" and then IMMIGRATE to their MASTER's homeland for better economic opportunities a couple of centuries later because English and French (especially English) colonialism sucked their conquered territories dry of all the riches of those territories...  HOW IRONIC...

    Proof of that bolded statement I made? 

    No taxation without representation comes to mind...

     

     

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    Politics is somewhat necessary when discussion of the rules and regulations of vehicles comes into play, or tariffs, or taxation.

    I leave a long leash for discussion of the subject because I have the somewhat idealist hope that we can all behave like adults in here, though I am repeatedly proven wrong. 

    So yes, we do allow some discussion of politics in so much as it pertains to cars.  Some people here push the limited of that by injecting unneeded political commentary into posts that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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