Jump to content
  • William Maley
    William Maley

    No, The Wrangler's Turbo-Four Will Not Produce 368 Horsepower

      368 Horsepower? Yeah, about that...

    The internet went aflame last week when a NHTSA filing revealed an interesting tidbit about the next-generation Jeep Wrangler. The turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder was said to produced 368 horsepower. A crazy number and one that made a number of people - some here on our forum question whether that was actually true or a mistake.

    It seems to be the latter as The Truth About Cars found an updated filing from FCA which now lists the turbo 2.0L at NR (Not Rated). Everything else on the table is unchanged.

    A source at FCA told Road & Track last week that the 368 figure was 'dead wrong'.

    For now, we'll to have wait patiently for Jeep to debut the Wrangler or for another leak to come out.

    Source: The Truth About Cars, Road & Track

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    268 is more likely. 

    Agreed.  Although if it makes 268 hp and 280 lb-ft, what is the point of the Pentastar that is like 290 hp, 260 lb-ft?  Now you have 2 powertrains with the same power output.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Agreed.  Although if it makes 268 hp and 280 lb-ft, what is the point of the Pentastar that is like 290 hp, 260 lb-ft?  Now you have 2 powertrains with the same power output.

    One has much less plumbing.  

    • Like 3
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    24 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Agreed.  Although if it makes 268 hp and 280 lb-ft, what is the point of the Pentastar that is like 290 hp, 260 lb-ft?  Now you have 2 powertrains with the same power output.

    One had much less lag. If your rock crawling, you don't want to be into the turbo all the time just to get your torque.

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    20 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    One had much less lag. If your rock crawling, you don't want to be into the turbo all the time just to get your torque.

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.  

    The one place the turbo 4 makes most sense is over seas where the Pentastar will get hit with displacement tax.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by....is way behind the times

    Ive heard that one before...must have been around 1993..

    The song is from the 1970s...I heard it for the first time in 1993?

    38 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    It's the Ecodiesel that will be the torque of the town.

    Only because diesels are so so scan-da-lous

     

    Edited by oldshurst442
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    If your v6 larks torque, you built your engine wrong.  If your 4cyl lacks torque, you built a Honda engine.  A Jeep turbo 4 is silly when they can use the Pentastar v6 and add some more torque.  How do you haul and tow and climb rocks with a turbocharged 4cyl?

    • Agree 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    47 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    If your v6 larks torque, you built your engine wrong.  If your 4cyl lacks torque, you built a Honda engine.  A Jeep turbo 4 is silly when they can use the Pentastar v6 and add some more torque.  How do you haul and tow and climb rocks with a turbocharged 4cyl?

    Ya Don't! :P 

    Always said these high HP low torque engines with dual overhead cam crap are just marketing fluff for idiots that cannot understand real torque is the answer, not butt loads of HP.

    Will take a properly built pushrod V6 or V8 over turbo everything in today's driving of needing torque to move along.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I am guessing 268 HP and higher torque and tuned for the torque to hit early and hard.  Jeep understands their audience.  The Pentastar was redone in 16 in the GC and Durango and provides a much better torque curve and is much torquier lower in the rev range.  Of course the ecodiesel will be the torque monster, but am sure the other engines will work just fine off road. 

    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.  

    The one place the turbo 4 makes most sense is over seas where the Pentastar will get hit with displacement tax.

    Wrong. 

    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.   

    Why? Nothing wrong with the Pentastar as it is...no point in a turbo version.

    • Agree 3
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Why? Nothing wrong with the Pentastar as it is...no point in a turbo version.

    Alfa Romeo makes a smaller displacement V6 than the Pentastar with 213 more horsepower.  Ford makes a two 3-liter or less V6's with more horsepower and torque than the Pentastar.   

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.  

    The one place the turbo 4 makes most sense is over seas where the Pentastar will get hit with displacement tax.

    You really need to stop looking a peak output that only happens under full throttle situations.  The coming Benz electric turbo might change things, but for now, the only time you'll be getting that huge torque is when the turbo is fully cooking. Absolutely the wrong situation for driving a Wrangler.

    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
    • Agree 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Alfa Romeo makes a smaller displacement V6 than the Pentastar with 213 more horsepower.  Ford makes a two 3-liter or less V6's with more horsepower and torque than the Pentastar.   

    So?  For more horsepower and torque, Jeep has the Hemi option. 

    Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar
    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Alfa Romeo makes a smaller displacement V6 than the Pentastar with 213 more horsepower.  Ford makes a two 3-liter or less V6's with more horsepower and torque than the Pentastar.   

    Stop this.... horsepower / displacement is a dumb metric.

    • Like 1
    • Thanks 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Stop this.... horsepower / displacement is a dumb metric.

    At the Air Force Museum in Dayton there is a rocket that made 30, 000 horsepower and was the size of a Ford 289.  I thought about smuggling it out and dumping it in the Fastback back in the day, but figured military security might frown on that...

    ...in that sense Horsepower/displacement might have made my life really exciting in one way or another.

    • Haha 4
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    At the Air Force Museum in Dayton there is a rocket that made 30, 000 horsepower and was the size of a Ford 289.  I thought about smuggling it out and dumping it in the Fastback back in the day, but figured military security might frown on that...

    ...in that sense Horsepower/displacement might have made my life really exciting in one way or another.

    The last 10 seconds of it anyway.... 

    • Haha 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    So?  For more horsepower and torque, Jeep has the Hemi option. 

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Alfa's sales are so low the 2.9 doesn't matter. 

    • Agree 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    33 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Stop the trolling. The Pentastar and Hemi both have gotten regular updates. The Pentastar was updated again just last year. They didn't add power, they added fuel economy.

    • Agree 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Stop the trolling. The Pentastar and Hemi both have gotten regular updates. The Pentastar was updated again just last year. They didn't add power, they added fuel economy.

    And...about the power part...Dodge even added some sort of forced induction...JUST like SMK wishes..

     

     

     

    But this is about a Wrangler...

    I dont think a turbo 4 should be the answer...but a regular non-turbo 4 cylinder should not normally cause controversy...

    43.jpg

    e6035ba656a0b5ff5dec29bdbd61e353--jeep-w

     

    • Agree 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:
    No automatic alt text available.

    Okay then...a better form of vintage aircraft and car together...

    Both are Sexy MF.! :metal: 

    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Reliability I put on the Hemi over the Alfa crap.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites




    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Similar Content

  • Posts

    • Very cool that a second Lithium mine is coming online in Canada and will be sustainable with no diesel or gas emissions. Will use Hydro power for the site and extraction process. What does sustainable lithium mining look like? - Electrek Seems CEO Musk, AKA Failure Musk is again attempting to divert attention from his failure to stay focused on Tesla the Auto company as he plays with his new purchase Twitter more and talks about new auto's when he still has not delivered in full productions his electric Semi truck, Cybertruck or Roadster 2.0. Now he thinks he can build a better van for cargo and people moving. 🙄 Elon Musk suggests Tesla will make 'highly configurable Robovan' for people and cargo - Electrek
    • Leclanché Energy Storage Solutions of Switzerland has achieved a significant breakthrough in the safety of performance Lithium-ion batteries for use in EVs. Leclanché has taken current Lithium-ion cell production to the next step by adding a special fire-retardant additive to its electrolyte formula composition lowering the risk of thermal events by close to 80%. Verified by independent nail penetration tests has confirmed the companies claims of significantly lowering risk of thermal events with fire. The non-flammable electrolyte additive provides enhanced cell safety option for rail, truck, bus and auto EV markets. Intertek Germany, renowned third-party testing lab conducted a series of industry standard nail penetration tests on Leclanché  60 Ah cells. During this test with the cells punctured and the resulting internal short circuit, these cells exhibited a far lower risk of fire than the same cells without the fire-retardant additives. Risk of fire to passengers onboard and expensive lithium-ion battery recalls causing disruptions, world leading energy storage solutions company Leclanché is leading the global markets in reducing these risks that auto makers have to take on to build and sell EV solutions. To quote Leclanché: “While the entire battery industry continues to place considerable R&D resources into the development of solid-state batteries, there’s a critical need to enhance the safety of today’s high energy density lithium-ion cell technology. Most efforts, until now, adversely impact the performance or longevity of cells. Leclanché has been able to develop a high performance and high energy density lithium-ion cell exhibiting high safety characteristics without any negative impact on performance or longevity. As technological advancements continue to be developed, this is a crucial improvement in state of the art cell technology, that does not require breakthrough technology that could still be several years away from commercial availability” said Pierre Blanc, chief technology officer, Leclanché. Leclanché Willstatt Germany production facility that has built Lithium-ion cells based on their water-based process for the last 10 years will be the site for production of these new fire-resistant cells with availability starting Q1 2023 to OEMs. Quote:  According to Anil Srivastava, CEO, Leclanché, “Our breakthrough should encourage manufacturers waiting on the side-lines for next generation solid-state batteries to move forward with their advanced fleet vehicle designs today – safe lithium-ion batteries have arrived and Leclanché has them.” View full article
    • Wow, this sucks for Europe. Anti-speeding tech and 'black box' now mandatory in new EU cars (msn.com)
    • You missed the bigger point which was your bar moving yet again. You went one way and as soon as you were presented with a factual counter, you moved the bar and upped the number without regard to geography. I would be more mad that the new kid on the luxury block is getting noticed as much as the Germans as of late, but hey, I'm not the one looking for constant one brand validation just because I happen to own the brand in question.
    • Very cool about Rivian ramping up production. Electric truck maker Rivian's stock surges as deliveries triple (nypost.com)
  • Social Stream

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. GreggCarnes
      GreggCarnes
      (28 years old)
    2. Observing and Reporting
      Observing and Reporting
      (47 years old)
  • Who's Online (See full list)

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We  Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...