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    No, The Wrangler's Turbo-Four Will Not Produce 368 Horsepower


    • 368 Horsepower? Yeah, about that...

    The internet went aflame last week when a NHTSA filing revealed an interesting tidbit about the next-generation Jeep Wrangler. The turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder was said to produced 368 horsepower. A crazy number and one that made a number of people - some here on our forum question whether that was actually true or a mistake.

    It seems to be the latter as The Truth About Cars found an updated filing from FCA which now lists the turbo 2.0L at NR (Not Rated). Everything else on the table is unchanged.

    A source at FCA told Road & Track last week that the 368 figure was 'dead wrong'.

    For now, we'll to have wait patiently for Jeep to debut the Wrangler or for another leak to come out.

    Source: The Truth About Cars, Road & Track



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    4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    268 is more likely. 

    Agreed.  Although if it makes 268 hp and 280 lb-ft, what is the point of the Pentastar that is like 290 hp, 260 lb-ft?  Now you have 2 powertrains with the same power output.

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    6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Agreed.  Although if it makes 268 hp and 280 lb-ft, what is the point of the Pentastar that is like 290 hp, 260 lb-ft?  Now you have 2 powertrains with the same power output.

    One has much less plumbing.  

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    24 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Agreed.  Although if it makes 268 hp and 280 lb-ft, what is the point of the Pentastar that is like 290 hp, 260 lb-ft?  Now you have 2 powertrains with the same power output.

    One had much less lag. If your rock crawling, you don't want to be into the turbo all the time just to get your torque.

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    20 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    One had much less lag. If your rock crawling, you don't want to be into the turbo all the time just to get your torque.

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.  

    The one place the turbo 4 makes most sense is over seas where the Pentastar will get hit with displacement tax.

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    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by....is way behind the times

    Ive heard that one before...must have been around 1993..

    The song is from the 1970s...I heard it for the first time in 1993?

    38 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    It's the Ecodiesel that will be the torque of the town.

    Only because diesels are so so scan-da-lous

     

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    If your v6 larks torque, you built your engine wrong.  If your 4cyl lacks torque, you built a Honda engine.  A Jeep turbo 4 is silly when they can use the Pentastar v6 and add some more torque.  How do you haul and tow and climb rocks with a turbocharged 4cyl?

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    47 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    If your v6 larks torque, you built your engine wrong.  If your 4cyl lacks torque, you built a Honda engine.  A Jeep turbo 4 is silly when they can use the Pentastar v6 and add some more torque.  How do you haul and tow and climb rocks with a turbocharged 4cyl?

    Ya Don't! :P 

    Always said these high HP low torque engines with dual overhead cam crap are just marketing fluff for idiots that cannot understand real torque is the answer, not butt loads of HP.

    Will take a properly built pushrod V6 or V8 over turbo everything in today's driving of needing torque to move along.

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    I am guessing 268 HP and higher torque and tuned for the torque to hit early and hard.  Jeep understands their audience.  The Pentastar was redone in 16 in the GC and Durango and provides a much better torque curve and is much torquier lower in the rev range.  Of course the ecodiesel will be the torque monster, but am sure the other engines will work just fine off road. 

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    12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.  

    The one place the turbo 4 makes most sense is over seas where the Pentastar will get hit with displacement tax.

    Wrong. 

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    13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.   

    Why? Nothing wrong with the Pentastar as it is...no point in a turbo version.

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    1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Why? Nothing wrong with the Pentastar as it is...no point in a turbo version.

    Alfa Romeo makes a smaller displacement V6 than the Pentastar with 213 more horsepower.  Ford makes a two 3-liter or less V6's with more horsepower and torque than the Pentastar.   

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    17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Any car maker that isn't 100% turbo by 2020 is way behind the times.  The Pentastar V6 should be turbo only.  

    The one place the turbo 4 makes most sense is over seas where the Pentastar will get hit with displacement tax.

    You really need to stop looking a peak output that only happens under full throttle situations.  The coming Benz electric turbo might change things, but for now, the only time you'll be getting that huge torque is when the turbo is fully cooking. Absolutely the wrong situation for driving a Wrangler.

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Alfa Romeo makes a smaller displacement V6 than the Pentastar with 213 more horsepower.  Ford makes a two 3-liter or less V6's with more horsepower and torque than the Pentastar.   

    So?  For more horsepower and torque, Jeep has the Hemi option. 

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Alfa Romeo makes a smaller displacement V6 than the Pentastar with 213 more horsepower.  Ford makes a two 3-liter or less V6's with more horsepower and torque than the Pentastar.   

    Stop this.... horsepower / displacement is a dumb metric.

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Stop this.... horsepower / displacement is a dumb metric.

    At the Air Force Museum in Dayton there is a rocket that made 30, 000 horsepower and was the size of a Ford 289.  I thought about smuggling it out and dumping it in the Fastback back in the day, but figured military security might frown on that...

    ...in that sense Horsepower/displacement might have made my life really exciting in one way or another.

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    1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    At the Air Force Museum in Dayton there is a rocket that made 30, 000 horsepower and was the size of a Ford 289.  I thought about smuggling it out and dumping it in the Fastback back in the day, but figured military security might frown on that...

    ...in that sense Horsepower/displacement might have made my life really exciting in one way or another.

    The last 10 seconds of it anyway.... 

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    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    So?  For more horsepower and torque, Jeep has the Hemi option. 

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

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    1 minute ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    So what?

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    10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Alfa's sales are so low the 2.9 doesn't matter. 

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    33 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Stop the trolling. The Pentastar and Hemi both have gotten regular updates. The Pentastar was updated again just last year. They didn't add power, they added fuel economy.

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    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Stop the trolling. The Pentastar and Hemi both have gotten regular updates. The Pentastar was updated again just last year. They didn't add power, they added fuel economy.

    And...about the power part...Dodge even added some sort of forced induction...JUST like SMK wishes..

     

     

     

    But this is about a Wrangler...

    I dont think a turbo 4 should be the answer...but a regular non-turbo 4 cylinder should not normally cause controversy...

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    1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:
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    Okay then...a better form of vintage aircraft and car together...

    Both are Sexy MF.! :metal: 

    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    The Alfa 2.9 liter V6 makes more horsepower than a 6.4 liter Hemi V8 also.  Hemi is even more dated than the Pentastar with barely any power increase since 2005.

    Reliability I put on the Hemi over the Alfa crap.

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