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    2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

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    Kia has revealed the pricing for the 2018 Stinger and Stinger GT that will be arriving at dealers next month. The base Stinger with a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder will begin at $32,800. The twin-turbo 3.3 V6 Stinger GT kicks off at $39,250. Prices include a $900 destination charge.

    The Stinger comes standard with 18-inch wheels, limited slip differential, leather upholstery, power adjustable front seats with heat, dual-zone climate control, keyless ignition, and a 7-inch touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility. Stinger GT models add adaptive dampers, Brembo brakes, and a nine-speaker audio system with external amplifier. All-wheel drive is available for an extra $2,200 with either engine.

    “Although the Stinger is unlike any other Kia that has come before it in terms of pure driving enjoyment, it is still very much a traditional Kia in that it offers consumers a very compelling value proposition, providing excellent performance and handling, premium features and functionality when compared to its much higher-priced competitors.” said Orth Hedrick, vice president of product planning for Kia Motor America.

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    KIA MOTORS AMERICA ANNOUNCES 2018 STINGER PRICING

    • Fastback Performance Sedan Brings Kia to New Heights While Maintaining Remarkable Value
    • Stinger delivers head-turning design, premium amenities and heart-pounding power at an incredibly value-packed price
    • Combination of aggressive pricing and spirited performance makes Stinger a compelling alternative to substantially more expensive luxury sport sedans

    IRVINE, Calif., November 16, 2017 — Kia Motors America (KMA) today announced pricing for the highly anticipated all-new 2018 Stinger fastback sport sedan.  Expected to arrive in Kia dealers in December1, the highest-performance production vehicle in the company’s history will be offered in five trim levels – Stinger, Stinger Premium, GT, GT1, and GT2.

    • Stinger starts at $31,900
    • Stinger Premium starts at $37,100
    • GT starts at $38,350
    • GT1 starts at $43,250
    • GT2 starts at $49,200
    • All-wheel drive:  $2,200
    • Destination: $900

    “The Stinger is a prime example of Kia’s commitment to surpassing consumers’ expectations in everything we do,” said Orth Hedrick, vice president of product planning, KMA. “Although the Stinger is unlike any other Kia that has come before it in terms of pure driving enjoyment, it is still very much a traditional Kia in that it offers consumers a very compelling value proposition, providing excellent performance and handling, premium features and functionality when compared to its much higher-priced competitors.”

    Designed in Frankfurt, developed on the Nürburgring, and built by the brand ranked highest by J.D. Power in initial quality3, the Stinger is offered with multiple engine and drivetrain configurations and luxurious accommodations. All Stingers come standard with a leather-appointed interior, though ultra-soft Nappa leather is available. A thick hand-stitched multifunction leather-wrapped steering wheel with paddle shifters sits front and center of the driver, while the GT trim gets a flat-bottom steering wheel.  All Stingers are available with a large color TFT instrument cluster with performance gauges including a track timer, and in true gran turismo fashion, the Stinger has a generous 23.3 cu.-ft. of cargo space that can be accessed via a power liftgate with available Smart Trunk functionality.

    The base Stinger rides on a passive suspension tuned to offer a balance of handling and ride comfort, while the GT is available with Kia’s first electronically controlled Dynamic Stability Damping Control and standard high-performance Brembo®4 disc brakes. Two turbocharged engines are available: The base Stinger and Premium trims get a 2.0-liter twin-scroll turbocharged four-cylinder engine that produces 255 horsepower at 6,200 rpm with 260 lb.-ft. of maximum torque available from 1,400 – 4,000 rpm. Stingers wearing the GT moniker get a more powerful 3.3-liter twin-turbo V6 which produces 365 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and offers 376 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,300 – 4,500 rpm.  Both engines are matched to a second-generation eight-speed rear-drive automatic transmission. All-wheel drive also is available across all trims.

    Multiple Advance Driver Assistance systems work together to enhance the driving experience, including Driver Attention Warning (DAW)5, Forward Collision Avoidance (FCA)6 with pedestrian detection, Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC w/ S&G)6, Lane Keeping Assist (LKA) 6, Blind Spot Collision Warning (BCW) 6, and Rear Cross-Traffic Collision Warning (RCCW)6.  A height-adjustable color Head-Up Display (HUD)7 display is also available.

    The base audio system for the 2.0-liter turbo features six speakers and a seven-inch color touchscreen with the latest version of UVO, Kia’s award-winning telematics systems8. The standard system found in the GT trim ups the speaker count to nine and includes an external amplifier. A premium Harman/Kardon®9 audio system that features Clari-Fi™10 and next-generation QuantumLogic™11 Surround Sound technology is also available.

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    Be interesting to see how it does in this day and age or people changing from cars to CUVs and from ICE to EV/Hybrids. 

    I think it will hit the right note, but just not sure how many will buy.

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    The Stinger sounds like a fun car, some spicy kimchi and bi bim bop, with currywurst.  

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    In a way it is competitively priced in another way I think they are a little high.  I see this car's real competitors as Camaro and Mustang, but the Stinger has 4 doors.  You can get a Mustang premium for $30k and a Mustang GT for $35k, and I haven't looked feature by feature, but I imagine a lot of the equipment is similar on both cars.   And to that point a V8 Dodge Charger is $35k, a V8 Chrysler 300 is $39k, and they always have big discounts at FCA dealerships.  

    The version that Car and Driver drove was $50,000, that is just too much for a Kia.  $29,900 base and $37,000 for the V6 would have looked more competitive.  The problem I suspect is Kia will see BMW or Alfa Romeo as their competition, which it isn't.

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    7 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The version that Car and Driver drove was $50,000, that is just too much for a Kia.  $29,900 base and $37,000 for the V6 would have looked more competitive.  The problem I suspect is Kia will see BMW or Alfa Romeo as their competition, which it isn't.

    You do not know that it is way too much for a Kia, your showing your badge snob as I would say that 60% of the MB auto's are way overpriced. Everything from the MB A class to the C class is way overpriced for what you get and in that regards much of the E and S class too in comparison to much better deals from other makers.

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    Well, Kia already has cars more expensive--the Credenza and K900, which compete against Genesis and others in the luxury space.  It will be interesting to see how the Stinger is received as a sports sedan...something about it does make me think 'Kia Charger' more than Audi, BMW, MB, etc competitor.. part of that is the name, which really sounds like it should been a Dodge name in the late 60s... 

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    28 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    In a way it is competitively priced in another way I think they are a little high.  I see this car's real competitors as Camaro and Mustang, but the Stinger has 4 doors.  You can get a Mustang premium for $30k and a Mustang GT for $35k, and I haven't looked feature by feature, but I imagine a lot of the equipment is similar on both cars.   And to that point a V8 Dodge Charger is $35k, a V8 Chrysler 300 is $39k, and they always have big discounts at FCA dealerships.  

    The version that Car and Driver drove was $50,000, that is just too much for a Kia.  $29,900 base and $37,000 for the V6 would have looked more competitive.  The problem I suspect is Kia will see BMW or Alfa Romeo as their competition, which it isn't.

    Badge snob alert being that you have never sat in much less driven to one to think it’s “a little high”. Furthmore, unlike the Charger and 300, this one can actually take turns. 

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    39 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Badge snob alert being that you have never sat in much less driven to one to think it’s “a little high”. Furthmore, unlike the Charger and 300, this one can actually take turns. 

    Please tell us more about your experiences driving Chargers and 300s.  And furthermore, Kia Stingers.

     

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    3 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    Please tell us more about your experiences driving Chargers and 300s.  And furthermore, Kia Stingers.

     

    He owned a...Dodge Magnum...

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    1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Well, Kia already has cars more expensive--the Credenza and K900, which compete against Genesis and others in the luxury space.  It will be interesting to see how the Stinger is received as a sports sedan...something about it does make me think 'Kia Charger' more than Audi, BMW, MB, etc competitor.. part of that is the name, which really sounds like it should been a Dodge name in the late 60s... 

    In pictures...the Stinger has intrigued me as of late.

    In pictures, I find the Stinger to be a good looking sedan. I stress "in pictures" because I got to see it in person first to let  go of my own negative Korean car biases.

    But I do like the Genesis...so I dont know why I still hold this bias...I wouldnt buy one...but I like it!

    I see the Stinger more of a RWD Optima rather than a  "Kia Charger" though. Not that that is bad thing. Whether I find its a RWD Optima or you view it as a Kia Charger.

    To be honest...I think its a GREAT thing that KIA and Hyundai are offering enthusiast machines. Yes Hyundai and KIA enthusiast  machines are a work in progress, at least they are heading in an enthusiast direction. And heading in a good direction at that!

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    8 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    How did he like it.  Did he autocross it?

    HE LOVED IT!!!

    He wished he could have another!

    Although I dont agree with his assessment that these cars dont handle well. I think they handle well enough...but then again...I never daily driven one like he did...

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    8 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    In pictures...the Stinger has intrigued me as of late.

    In pictures, I find the Stinger to be a good looking sedan. I stress "in pictures" because I got to see it in person first to let  go of my own negative Korean car biases.

    But I do like the Genesis...so I dont know why I still hold this bias...I wouldnt buy one...but I like it!

    I see the Stinger more of a RWD Optima rather than a  "Kia Charger" though. Not that that is bad thing. Whether I find its a RWD Optima or you view it as a Kia Charger. 

    Yes, me too...in pictures. Have yet to see it in person. The roofline does look straight off the previous Optima... my Charger reference isn't because of the styling, but the name and the concept--a mainstream brand largish RWD sports sedan..the Charger is really the only other one out there... I think it's great that Kia, Hyundai and Genesis are aspiring to make world class sports sedans and luxury cars..more competition is a good thing...

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    17 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yes, me too...in pictures. Have yet to see it in person. The roofline does look straight off the previous Optima... my Charger reference isn't because of the styling, but the name and the concept--a mainstream brand largish RWD sports sedan..the Charger is really the only other one out there... I think it's great that Kia, Hyundai and Genesis are aspiring to make world class sports sedans and luxury cars..more competition is a good thing...

    Yes! Yes!

    Most definitely does the name Stinger belong to a Mopar from the 1960s!

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    "Stinger" reminds me of "Super Bee", so yeah, there is that aspect... and I believe Kia is trading on American nostalgia with the name they chose.

     

    Would love to see a Dodge Hornet compact with a turbo 4... such a natural family name... Hudson Hornet begat the AMC Hornet (wasn't there a family line there?) and AMC was absorbed by Chrysler... hence the once and future Dodge Hornet...

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    You do not know that it is way too much for a Kia, your showing your badge snob as I would say that 60% of the MB auto's are way overpriced. Everything from the MB A class to the C class is way overpriced for what you get and in that regards much of the E and S class too in comparison to much better deals from other makers.

    I am glad Kia made a rear drive car, I wish there were more of them out there.  But imagine Chevy trying to sell a sedan smaller than the Malibu for $40-50k, when they tried a full size car with a V8 for $45k that didn't work.  

    The Stinger is a better deal than the Regal, but there are Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Charger, 300 for less money.  I think if they priced it like and targeted Mustang and Camaro (performance with a back seat and awd) then Kia could get a lot of sales.  If they try to be a value play to the Germans it won't work.

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    31 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

     

    Would love to see a Dodge Hornet compact with a turbo 4... such a natural family name... Hudson Hornet begat the AMC Hornet (wasn't there a family line there?) and AMC was absorbed by Chrysler... hence the once and future Dodge Hornet...

    Yep, AMC was created by the merger of Nash and Hudson.   As far as Dodge compacts, it's too bad Dodge wasn't able to see success w/ the Dart..not sure what the issue there was..

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    22 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yep, AMC was created by the merger of Nash and Hornet.

    I know you meant 'Nash & Hudson'.

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    How did he like it.  Did he autocross it?

    If the Magnum had feelings I am sure the auto was cross with him when he sold it.

    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    "Stinger" reminds me of "Super Bee", so yeah, there is that aspect... and I believe Kia is trading on American nostalgia with the name they chose.

     

    Would love to see a Dodge Hornet compact with a turbo 4... such a natural family name... Hudson Hornet begat the AMC Hornet (wasn't there a family line there?) and AMC was absorbed by Chrysler... hence the once and future Dodge Hornet...

    My wife's family had an AMC hornet when she was a kid...in families and car companies there are parts of the past that really belong in the closet.

    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yes, me too...in pictures. Have yet to see it in person. The roofline does look straight off the previous Optima... my Charger reference isn't because of the styling, but the name and the concept--a mainstream brand largish RWD sports sedan..the Charger is really the only other one out there... I think it's great that Kia, Hyundai and Genesis are aspiring to make world class sports sedans and luxury cars..more competition is a good thing...

    I love the aspirations of the Korean companies.  A real part of me is excited as an enthusiast here.

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    3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

     

    The version that Car and Driver drove was $50,000, that is just too much for a Kia.  $29,900 base and $37,000 for the V6 would have looked more competitive.  The problem I suspect is Kia will see BMW or Alfa Romeo as their competition, which it isn't.

    Unlike the BMW and the Alfa this thing will self propel after the warranty expires without expensive life support.

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    13 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Unlike the BMW and the Alfa this thing will self propel after the warranty expires without expensive life support.

    Maybe, maybe not we don’t know too much about long term reliably of the Hyundai twin turbo V6, but Kia scores well in reliability ratings.

    The Kia will depreciate twice as fast as a BMW though, a five year old 3-Series will probably sell for $10,000 more than a five year old Stinger.  Case in point, a 2015 Kia K900 V8 was $59,000 new, they sell certified used for $27,000 now, that is a hell of a drop.

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    5 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Well, Kia already has cars more expensive--the Credenza and K900, which compete against Genesis and others in the luxury space.

    Kia cannot give the K900 away- it's a flop. September US sales : 31. It's a $50K Kia. Yeah.

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    4 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Maybe, maybe not we don’t know too much about long term reliably of the Hyundai twin turbo V6, but Kia scores well in reliability ratings.

    The Kia will depreciate twice as fast as a BMW though, a five year old 3-Series will probably sell for $10,000 more than a five year old Stinger.  Case in point, a 2015 Kia K900 V8 was $59,000 new, they sell certified used for $27,000 now, that is a hell of a drop.

    Agreed.  It's almost Mercedes-like.

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    Hey to those of you actually interested in this car - test drive it, but buy it in Canada, have it delivered there and then import it back into the U.S.

    For some inexplicable reason, the car fully loaded in Canada is priced $5000 less nominally. That's before you factor in exchange rates. We Canadians get a massive discount on this car. Also, missing features like a 360 degree camera are included in the Canadian market car.

    Seriously - it's the SS car Chevy stopped making, Ford cannot possibly build without sinking billions, and Chrysler won't make for atleast another 4 years, if they even try to remake the Charger or 300 on the Giulia platform.

    Kia is by introducing this car the last holdout in the affordable RWD performance 4 door grand tourer.

     

     

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      While the EX Launch Edition does provide some desirable features such as adaptive cruise control, QI wireless charging, and a Harman/Kardon audio system, I would drop down to the mid-level S. At $20,290, you’re getting a lot of equipment such as 17-inch alloy wheels, automatic headlights, forward collision warning with automatic braking, and keyless entry. I would add the $1,200 S Premium Package to get LED headlights, automatic high beams, and a power sunroof. With destination, the price comes to $22,415. Alternatives to the 2019 Kia Forte
      Hyundai Elantra: Mechanically similar to the Forte, albeit with a face that will scare small kids. Two turbo engine options - one focused on the economy while the other is for sport - might be attractive to some. Honda Civic: Drives slightly better than the Forte and offers more body styles. But lower reliability scores and confounding infotainment systems may cause you to look elsewhere. Chevrolet Cruze: While it lacks a number of features found on the Forte, it does offer a slightly smoother and quieter ride. Plus, dealers are starting to push a lot of cash on the hoods to get them moving.   
      Disclaimer: Kia Provided the Forte, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2019
      Make: Kia 
      Model: Forte
      Trim: EX
      Engine: 2.0L Multi-Port DOHC Inline-Four
      Driveline: Front-Wheel Drive, CVT
      Horsepower @ RPM: 147 @ 6,200
      Torque @ RPM: 132 @ 4,500 
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 30/40/34
      Curb Weight: 2,903 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Pesqueria, NL, Mexico
      Base Price: $21,990
      As Tested Price: $26,220 (Includes $895.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      EX Launch Edtion - $3,210.00
      Carpeted Floor Mats - $125.00
    • By William Maley
      From the strange bedfellows' file; Hyundai and Kia have announced a joint investment of 80 million Euros (about $90 million) into Croatia-based Rimac Automobili. Rimac may be known to most people for the fast Concept One electric supercar - the vehicle which Richard Hammond had a serious crash when filming The Grand Tour.
      "The companies will work closely together to develop prototypes for an electric version of Hyundai Motor's N brand midship sports concept car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. Hyundai Motor Group will leverage the partnership to build on its existing R&D capabilities to meet its electrification plan, which includes deployment of 44 eco-friendly models by 2025," Hyundai said in a statement this week.
      Hyundai has been teasing the idea mid-ship sports car for the past few years with a number of Veloster based concepts like the RM16 N. Maybe something could come to fruition with the help of Rimac.
      What does Rimac get out of this deal? This will allow the company to grow into a Tier 1 supplier for the industry for electric components. 
      Source: Hyundai, Rimac


      HYUNDAI MOTOR AND KIA MOTORS INVEST 80M EUR IN RIMAC AND ESTABLISH A TECHNOLOGY PARTNERSHIP
      Hyundai Motor to invest 64M EUR; Kia Motors to invest 16M EUR; Rimac and Hyundai Motor Group form a technical partnership to collaborate on two high-performance electric vehicles by 2020 SEOUL, ZAGREB, 14 May 2019 – Hyundai Motor Company and Kia Motors Corporation have jointly invested 80M Euros in Rimac Automobili (Rimac) - the Croatian high-performance electric vehicle technology and sportscar company. The companies have announced a strategic partnership to collaborate on the development of high-performance electric vehicles.
      With the new collaboration underway, Hyundai Motor Group aims to speed up its transition towards Clean Mobility and position itself as a global leader in driving this change in the industry.
      Rimac has established themselves as a leader in high-performance electric vehicle technology and as an electric sportscar manufacturer. The company continues to deliver EV technology supporting many industry partners, including Hyundai Motor Group, to accelerate their way towards an electric future.
      Hyundai Motor, Kia Motors and Rimac will work closely together to develop an electric version of Hyundai Motor’s N brand midship sports car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. “Rimac is an innovative company with outstanding capabilities in high-performance electric vehicles,” said Euisun Chung, Executive Vice Chairman of Hyundai Motor Group. “Its startup roots and abundant experience collaborating with automakers combined with technological prowess makes Rimac the ideal partner for us. We look forward to collaborating with Rimac on our road to Clean Mobility.” 
      Founder and CEO of Rimac Automobili, Mate Rimac said: “We are very impressed by the Hyundai Motor Group’s vision and prompt and decisive initiative. We believe that this technology partnership will create maximum value for our companies and their customers. Rimac is still a young and relatively small but fast-growing company. We see a strong investor and technology partner in Hyundai Motor Group and believe that this collaboration will charge the company’s position as a Tier-1 electrification components supplier to the industry. 

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    • By William Maley
      From the strange bedfellows' file; Hyundai and Kia have announced a joint investment of 80 million Euros (about $90 million) into Croatia-based Rimac Automobili. Rimac may be known to most people for the fast Concept One electric supercar - the vehicle which Richard Hammond had a serious crash when filming The Grand Tour.
      "The companies will work closely together to develop prototypes for an electric version of Hyundai Motor's N brand midship sports concept car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. Hyundai Motor Group will leverage the partnership to build on its existing R&D capabilities to meet its electrification plan, which includes deployment of 44 eco-friendly models by 2025," Hyundai said in a statement this week.
      Hyundai has been teasing the idea mid-ship sports car for the past few years with a number of Veloster based concepts like the RM16 N. Maybe something could come to fruition with the help of Rimac.
      What does Rimac get out of this deal? This will allow the company to grow into a Tier 1 supplier for the industry for electric components. 
      Source: Hyundai, Rimac


      HYUNDAI MOTOR AND KIA MOTORS INVEST 80M EUR IN RIMAC AND ESTABLISH A TECHNOLOGY PARTNERSHIP
      Hyundai Motor to invest 64M EUR; Kia Motors to invest 16M EUR; Rimac and Hyundai Motor Group form a technical partnership to collaborate on two high-performance electric vehicles by 2020 SEOUL, ZAGREB, 14 May 2019 – Hyundai Motor Company and Kia Motors Corporation have jointly invested 80M Euros in Rimac Automobili (Rimac) - the Croatian high-performance electric vehicle technology and sportscar company. The companies have announced a strategic partnership to collaborate on the development of high-performance electric vehicles.
      With the new collaboration underway, Hyundai Motor Group aims to speed up its transition towards Clean Mobility and position itself as a global leader in driving this change in the industry.
      Rimac has established themselves as a leader in high-performance electric vehicle technology and as an electric sportscar manufacturer. The company continues to deliver EV technology supporting many industry partners, including Hyundai Motor Group, to accelerate their way towards an electric future.
      Hyundai Motor, Kia Motors and Rimac will work closely together to develop an electric version of Hyundai Motor’s N brand midship sports car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. “Rimac is an innovative company with outstanding capabilities in high-performance electric vehicles,” said Euisun Chung, Executive Vice Chairman of Hyundai Motor Group. “Its startup roots and abundant experience collaborating with automakers combined with technological prowess makes Rimac the ideal partner for us. We look forward to collaborating with Rimac on our road to Clean Mobility.” 
      Founder and CEO of Rimac Automobili, Mate Rimac said: “We are very impressed by the Hyundai Motor Group’s vision and prompt and decisive initiative. We believe that this technology partnership will create maximum value for our companies and their customers. Rimac is still a young and relatively small but fast-growing company. We see a strong investor and technology partner in Hyundai Motor Group and believe that this collaboration will charge the company’s position as a Tier-1 electrification components supplier to the industry. 
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