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  • Interactive Review: 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited 1.6T

    A jaw-dropping midsize sedan arrives in C&G's garage for a weeklong evaluation

    Taking the place of the Toyota 86 this week at the Cheers & Gears' Detroit bureau is the 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited. A car which I have been wanting to drive since it made its North American debut last spring at the New York Auto Show. The new model solves one of the biggest criticisms I had with the last-generation model, a very boring and plain design. Taking it out last night, I was noticing people glancing at this midsize sedan.

    Power comes from a turbocharged 1.6L four-cylinder producing 180 horsepower and 195 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with an eight-speed automatic. The as-tested price is a surprising $34,465 considering what you get on this including Smart Park, 10.25-inch touchscreen, heads-up display, heated/cooled seats, and more.

    Some first impressions,

    • Hyundai has provided an Android smartphone (Samsung Galaxy Note 8) so various writers can try the digital key, which allows a smartphone to take the place of the actual key. I haven't tried it in place of the key yet, but I'm having some confidence issues with it. Whenever I try to connect the phone with car from inside the house, it cannot find the vehicle. I know I'm within range - 10 meters or 32 feet. So far, I have been able to connect with the vehicle once.
    • The interior in my Limited tester is very impressive. Handsome design, quality materials, and roomy.
    • Fuel economy is one area I wasn't expecting to be this good - currently seeing around 33 mpg.

    I'll have more updates throughout the Sonata's stay, including Smart Park and Digital Key. In the meantime, drop your questions below.

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    1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

    I have parallel parked my sister's Chevy Trax...167.2" overall length.  Very easy to PP.    

    I remember as a teenager learning to PP on the farm...my Dad set up poles in milk jugs filled w/ sand and I took the longest car he had then ('85 Lincoln Town Car) and practiced with it...serious blind spots w/ the tiny rear window and thick C-pillars, but super-light power steering.   I did my driving test in his '84 Ford Escort diesel, much easier to PP. 

    WOW, just a 100" wheelbase on the trax, that means there is some serious overhang front and rear on that auto.

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    5 minutes ago, David said:

    WOW, just a 100" wheelbase on the trax, that means there is some serious overhang front and rear on that auto.

    Mostly the front...not much rear overhang.   By comparison, my '87 Mustang GT has a 100.5" wheelbase with overall length of 179.6"...(a 2020 Mustang has a 7 inch longer wheelbase and is about 9 inches longer overall).

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    trax ceertainly has a 'chin'.

    Trax was dead but SUV boom and trailblazer intro means trailblazer can shoot for the higher price points and the Trax sales may actually increase by being able to sell at low prices.  I wouldn't be suprised to see Trax remain in the lineup unchanged until 2025 or so....Trax and Encore came out in 2013 (Trax wasn't available right away in the US).  Encore will probably continue also in the Buick showrooms, 10+ year shelf life that is getting to be FCA style vehicle staying power.

    K5 nice looking indeed I wish they would have kept the Optima name.  I wished in the past they had kept the Spectra name also though.

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    Every review of the Venue I've seen has been positive, except for the unpadded door armrests... which the base trim Kona also has, but no one rags on it about that fact, and it is + or - $3k higher in price than the Venue.

    All the reviewers seem surprised at how much they like the Venue after driving it.

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    Jaw dropping?...nah. Hard pass, the exterior is fugly and the interior is nothing special...ugh those Hyundai/Genesis steering wheels are the worst. And if you can't park you shouldn't be driving for sh!t sake.

    I learned how to drive in a '91 Suburban and paralleled that b!tch like a pro for my driving test, can parallel and get that perfect distance from the curb no matter what I'm driving to this day. 

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    My driving test, taken in this:

    characteristic dimensions: outside length: 224.8 in, width: 79.6 in, wheelbase: 124 in

    Passed with flying colors, but of course I'd been driving bigger things than that on the farm since age nine (F-600, F-700, John Deeres), so the Pontiac was a breeze to handle at that point.

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    8 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    My driving test, taken in this:

    characteristic dimensions: outside length: 224.8 in, width: 79.6 in, wheelbase: 124 in

    Passed with flying colors, but of course I'd been driving bigger things than that on the farm since age nine (F-600, F-700, John Deeres), so the Pontiac was a breeze to handle at that point.

    Grew up on a farm too, driving John Deere tractors, riding lawn mowers and farm trucks in the field when bucking hay and all, also would sneak onto the road near the house once in a while :D  I love to drive, it makes a big difference getting behind the wheel and learning everything about driving at a young age too. 

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    On 9/12/2020 at 5:44 PM, ocnblu said:

    Every review of the Venue I've seen has been positive, except for the unpadded door armrests... which the base trim Kona also has, but no one rags on it about that fact, and it is + or - $3k higher in price than the Venue.

    All the reviewers seem surprised at how much they like the Venue after driving it.

    Making Korea great again.😆

     

    Oh the irony here.

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    I haven't been able to get into this most recent Sonata ... mentally.  It's mostly the styling, from the derivative front end to the rear tail lamps that also remind of me of something else.  A lot of odd angles.  It's like Hyundai was trying too hard.  "No, thanks" to this car for me.

    The interior is more appealing than the exterior.  The fit and finish is good.  The console is too high for my taste.  The slot in the center stack is larger than before, and than in many similar cars.  Having a more useful cubby hole there is a good thing.

    I happened to be looking at Hyundais on a lot this weekend and the base model stickers out at $ 24 K.  The $ 34 K ones on the lot (like this one) had the panoramic roof.  An increase of $ 10 K is a tough pill to swallow for the same platform, even with all the upgrades. 

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    8 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Making Korea great again.😆

     

    Oh the irony here.

    Meh, stop with the baloney.  It's a perfect car for my mom, for example, and there is no domestic alternative.

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    35 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    Meh, stop with the baloney.  It's a perfect car for my mom, for example, and there is no domestic alternative.

    Whatever you say Captain America. 

     

    And you’ve been making enough baloney for the both of us. I’m merely stating a fact.

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    23 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Whatever you say Captain America. 

     

    And you’ve been making enough baloney for the both of us. I’m merely stating a fact.

    Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

    Sweet baloney and American cheese with yellow mustard on white bread... makes a tasty sandwich.

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    14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

    Sweet baloney and American cheese with yellow mustard on white bread... makes a tasty sandwich.

    Here you go. No link but I think you get the point Mr. “buy American”. Good grief man. Make it a challenge next time you want to try and defend your domestic policy there. 
     

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    Trailblazer - South Korea
    EcoSport - India, on a European platform
    Renegade - Italy, on a European platform

    In fact, there isn't a single subcompact crossover built in the U.S. by any manufacturer.  The closest you can get is the CX-30 (edit: and HR-V) which are built in Mexico.

    The smallest crossovers built in the U.S. are the CR-V/RDX and Escape/Corsair.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Trailblazer - South Korea
    EcoSport - India, on a European platform
    Renegade - Italy, on a European platform

    In fact, there isn't a single subcompact crossover built in the U.S. by any manufacturer.  The closest you can get is the CX-30 (edit: and HR-V) which are built in Mexico.

    The smallest crossovers built in the U.S. are the CR-V/RDX and Escape/Corsair.

    He didn’t state domestic made though. He stated a domestic competitor that sells a model that competes with the Venue. The Trailblazer, sold by domestic company GM/Chevrolet, is the most direct competitor from a domestic manufacturer. At least the money stays in America, another past gripe by certain people with selective memories. The Venue is a foreign car from start to finish so how does that fit his past “buy American” narrative. That is the core point here.

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    2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    He didn’t state domestic made though. He stated a domestic competitor that sells a model that competes with the Venue. The Trailblazer, sold by domestic company GM/Chevrolet, is the most direct competitor from a domestic manufacturer. At least the money stays in America, another past gripe by certain people with selective memories. The Venue is a foreign car from start to finish so how does that fit his past “buy American” narrative. That is the core point here.

    Trailblazer (bare bones $19,995, only available in white and basically vaporware on availability to the public) Ecosport ($21,240 with a 1.0L 3) and Renegade ($23,870 if you get white, the only no extra cost color) are also real-world priced WAY higher than a Venue SE iVT, with MSRP of $19,725 with freight... before incentives.  I triple dog dare you to find a Trailblazer L anywhere but in a fleet or as a rental. Plus Hyundai throws in free maintenance.

    So no, they are not apples to apples comparable.  Try again.  Or not.

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    7 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    Trailblazer ($19,995, only available in white and basically vaporware on availability to the public) Ecosport ($21,240 with a 1.0L 3) and Renegade ($23,870 if you get white, the only no extra cost color) are also real-world priced WAY higher than a Venue SE iVT, with MSRP of $19,725 with freight... before incentives.  I triple dog dare you to find a Trailblazer L anywhere but in a fleet or as a rental. Plus Hyundai throws in free maintenance.

    So no, they are not apples to apples comparable.  Try again.  Or not.

    Hey SMK, I mean Blu, nice bar moving. You said nothing of price and your assessment of the TB can easily be applied to the Venue, ie good luck finding those base models. Again though, the TB is competition for the Venue and is sold by a domestic company here. Those were the two rules YOU set up. Not base price. Not what can be found in the “real world”. You were wrong, end of story. 

     

    The TB also has more power and more cargo room but I guess pointing that out is just salt in a open wound at this point. 

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    We've had plenty of Venue SE where I work, in various colors.  I stand by my assertion that Trailblazer L, available only in white, is persona non grata when it comes to availability.

    If you had the power to infer, you'd know that price is of paramount concern.  None of the "competitors" you list in base trim are ever put on dealer lots... they are price leaders for ad purposes only, where Hyundai makes the base car as accessible as the uplevel trims.

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    7 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    We've had plenty of Venue SE where I work, in various colors.  I stand by my assertion that Trailblazer L, available only in white, is persona non grata when it comes to availability.

    If you had the power to infer, you'd know that price is of paramount concern.  None of the "competitors" you list in base trim are ever put on dealer lots... they are price leaders for ad purposes only, where Hyundai makes the base car as accessible as the uplevel trims.

    Not that this part matters (only what I posted at the bottom here), but so damn what? The Hyundai dealership nearest me has ONE base model Venue and it is cheap looking on every front. You talk about apples to oranges? The TB, while priced higher, looks better in every trim level (as opposed to the base model Venue I saw with its wheel covers, no wonder its “cheaper”). Like I said though, none of what you just pointed out matters because of the following below.

     

    For the last time, I quote,

       22 hours ago,  ocnblu said: 

    Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

    2 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    BUT NOT DIRECT

    Yes it is, whether you want to admit it or not. Your sorry attempt at bar moving does not change this fact. Go ahead though. Go ahead and get one of the cheap ones here. 

     

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    I think I’d pay a little more for one that doesn’t look so “cheap”.

     

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    On 9/14/2020 at 7:28 PM, ocnblu said:

    there is no domestic alternative.

     

    Although you dont have to defend your decision. Its YOUR mom's money that counts. 

    The thing is...like everything else you say in these forums, its bupkis.  

    There is domestic alternatives.  You dont have to buy them. Your money.  

    But then there is the other shytty thing you do, you give your fellow Americans grief for exercising those very same phoquing freedoms YOU want to enjoy.

    Although @Drew Dowdell  wants us to not post things personal, its hard when YOU exercise YOUR freedoms because YOU make it personal.

    @ykX  told me to act my age when I post...Drew erased this posts, because it truly got ridiculous.

    And here were are 24 hours later, and the same shyt happens again with another poster. 

    Common denominator:  @ocnblu

     

    I wrote in the now erased post that Drew cleaned up that some of us should consider what we want in these forums.

    Well...seeing that most of us are in our late 40s, and a good chunk of us are in our 50s...right Blu? 

    Well...Ill take my words and @ykX  message to heart.   I dont need to act my age, as he says, but I do need to spend my time with more mature folk.  Its sad really when my teenaged workers are more mature than you @ocnblu.   

    Ive come to the conclusion that you prefer to troll rather than have real discussions.  Ive done this rodeo once before over at Motor Trend forums once upon  a time ago.  There was this guy called Wings.  He posted here. You strangely remind me of him...

    Well...I wont let the door kick me in the a$$ on the way out.  For reals this time.  

     

     

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