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SHOULD GM (and Ford) MOVE OUT OF MICHIGAN

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Is Michigan relevant anymore to house a couple of the world's largest auto companies?

-Michigan is not supporting the automakers a whole bunch and they may get more support if they were in other states

-UAW influences are too prevalent in that part of the country. Moving could be a nice way to thumb their noses at the union bunch

-other carmakers are locating plants in the south, etc. where labor is more favorable

-perhaps a cultural hotbed like California or a more businesslike city like New York would be more appropriate for such global companies or closer to wall st.

-many Americans feel GM etc. are isolated in a state like Michigan and think of GM as a more global or national company if they had a presence elsewhere in the US

-it make make sense to move closer to more influential political centers

-they may attract more and better employees in other states that people want to live in more and have less industrial culture

-they might be able to become more connected in technology if they officed where the tech hotbeds are

-marketing and advertising centers are elsewhere

-the Detroit Lions stink

just some thoughts. Has being in Michigan become irrelevant, damaging, or otherwise a liability for the Ford and GM and lesser extent DCX?

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It's not a bad idea. Becoming a "California company" really changes a lot of the stereotypes and baggage that US automakers have traditionally faced. Everyone's into locally-produced goods nowadays. Why don't they make (or appear to) certain vehicles, from sketch to production, in strategic regions? Each state can take pride in a specific car they make. Much like how Saturn is Tennesse's car and Corvette is Kentucky's car, hype up the Malibu to be "California's car."

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And I don't think US consumers resent US-made goods, but it's rather their specific aversion to Big 3 goods. Companies like Apple are thoroughly American, and they're innovative, fresh, loved...

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It might remove the frumpy image that some people associate with Domestics, but I don't think it will change many peoples' opinions. If anything, the auto-rags will lampoon the move.

Plus, if they move to California, they'll have to try and look 'hip' ... I can't envision Bob Lutz and Rick Wagoner wearing turttle necks a la Steve Jobs.

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As much as the idea does sound somewhat appealing, Michigan would die if the Big Three were too leave...it would be the final nail in the coffin for the state's already terrible economy.

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Do you realize how expensive it is to move to Califorinia? Taxes alone are not worth the price of admission.

Do you really think the Govenator will really do more to help them over Michigan?

Do you think the greenies from the San Fran area will be glad they have a shorter drive to protest?

Moving will solve little or nothing and if your moving make it some where other than California. Honda is in Ohio and Indiana.

The company I work for has a west coast facillitiy and we are Reno as we can cover the west coast but the taxes were less and the goverment in Nevada was more willing to help.

If you have to promote a west coast office for publicity just do a better job of promoting the design studio already there. That is about as much image your going to get anyway.

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I wouldn't mind them moving GM's Headquarters to a nice warm Southern State like South Carolina or Alabama etc.

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Well thanks for that big F U!

You have no idea how much that would cripple michigan further. were already 4 billion in debt since the middle class isnt working over time so there goes all there tax money.

Besides they have a huge complex in arizona some where dont they? Like a 2nd head quarters.

Also GM is starting to hire people this week i heard of 10 people being hired by GM.

Also Why move? Is Michigan not local? Do you not see us on the Map? Well hopefully Canada can just finish teh buyout since we are there land fill even no they have millions of acres of land up there. Plus if canada bought us out i would have healthcare too.

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I'm torn on this idea. There is no doubt that Michigan would be completely screwed if this happened, but since when is that GM or Ford's problem? They have enough problems of their own. Like a good business, the state should have diversified the types of companies it is home to.

California may be a good political move, but as mentioned, the cost of admission wouldn't be worth it. Also, a move like this would generate massive turnover and the company would need time to retrain employees and find qualified, experienced workers; not a bad idea if you feel like your company has grown stagnant and you want to shake things up or if you want to break a corrupt corporate culture (the way Ford is trying with Mulally.) The main benefit I see from a move like this would be to generate tax credits from other state governments.

I don't think a move like this will happen, but if it does, it wouldn't happen until after a new union agreement is reached. And another thing to consider is, who would buy the Ren Cen?

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Is Michigan relevant anymore to house a couple of the world's largest auto companies?

-Michigan is not supporting the automakers a whole bunch and they may get more support if they were in other states

-UAW influences are too prevalent in that part of the country. Moving could be a nice way to thumb their noses at the union bunch

-other carmakers are locating plants in the south, etc. where labor is more favorable

-perhaps a cultural hotbed like California or a more businesslike city like New York would be more appropriate for such global companies or closer to wall st.

-many Americans feel GM etc. are isolated in a state like Michigan and think of GM as a more global or national company if they had a presence elsewhere in the US

-it make make sense to move closer to more influential political centers

-they may attract more and better employees in other states that people want to live in more and have less industrial culture

-they might be able to become more connected in technology if they officed where the tech hotbeds are

-marketing and advertising centers are elsewhere

-the Detroit Lions stink

just some thoughts. Has being in Michigan become irrelevant, damaging, or otherwise a liability for the Ford and GM and lesser extent DCX?

1. Michigan's government is helping a hell of a lot more than you think.

2. I belive unions are far more prevalent in New York.

3. The Big Three have plants in southern states, but that doesn't mean they should move their headquarters down there.

4. Detroit's America's 11th largest city, I can't really see any benefits from moving the Big Three to #1 or #2.

5. You're acting like American auto companies only build cars in Michigan. GM alone has plants in 30 states.

6. So should all big businesses move closer to political centers or just the automakers?

7. Are you saying that Michigan workers are somehow subpar compared to the rest of the United States?

8. They'd have to move their entire headquarters there? Not just build tech centers or something?

9. Yeah, a fine reason for moving, right there.

10. Duh, but we've still got the Red Wings and the Tigers.

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Well GM does have to close it's plants in Michigan and only Michigan when Deer season opens up, because not enough workers show up to build cars.

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Well GM does have to close it's plants in Michigan and only Michigan when Deer season opens up, because not enough workers show up to build cars.

Seriously? That's lame..

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I don't see how GM owes anything to any specific state. Moving should be dictated by profits, which is the only reason GM exists.

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I think an expansion of GM headquarters in the United States wouldn't hurt at all. Keep the HQ in Michigan and build another HQ in California and have them both co-exist. Also, both sides of the U.S. would/could influence products and I think the result would be a little more interesting.

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GM should stay put, only because moving out of Michigan will take one of the state's only industries with it. And millions of people will suffer for it.

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I think an expansion of GM headquarters in the United States wouldn't hurt at all. Keep the HQ in Michigan and build another HQ in California and have them both co-exist. Also, both sides of the U.S. would/could influence products and I think the result would be a little more interesting.

It is bad enough my companies head quarters is sperated by a Warehouse and in several buildings.

If you want GM to work together keep them together.

Lets face it the average buyer does not know or care where the headquarters are.

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Do you know how much it would cost to move? the tech center alone has to be a billion dollar operation. Its a huge complex to just move. who would buy the Renaissance Center too? Its Detroit's only known icon know and they have ad space right on it.

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Ford should move its HQ to Seattle, so the great leader Alan Mulally can work from his home.

Seattle would also put Ford more in touch with 2007.

Mulally could also take an elite band of 100 engineers with him to his Seattle castle, and leave the peasants toiling in Michigan.

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No, it doesn't happen. At least not where I live.

It did at Buick City before they knocked it down. I'm talking about assembly plants in Michigan, not SPO or Delco plants. It was so bad that GM made the 1st day of deer season a holiday in MI, because they could not get enough workers to come in.

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2020 AD. GM headquarters Shanghai. Halliburton's moving. How long do you think before other's do. If assembly line jobs go to low cost countries how long do you think it is before CEO, CFO, COO jobs do.

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Moving them out of Michigan sounds good but really would hurt the state. So I say uhhh gee NO!

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One thing that no one is considering is that the cost of living is low in the midwest, freeways are much less crowded, you can actually get away from urban congestion, there are lots of good colleges here, We have halfway decent schools, a decent rail network, an existing base of suppliers and vendors, and the midwest does have some good teams (Colts anyone?).

I would like the idea of Ford and GM staying in Michigan. This is a great place to life and offers a high quality of living to those who live here.

Which is a nice benifit for those who work their asses of to build what we drive.

Chris

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2020 AD. GM headquarters Shanghai. Halliburton's moving. How long do you think before other's do. If assembly line jobs go to low cost countries how long do you think it is before CEO, CFO, COO jobs do.

depends where the hookers are. that, and no CFO's wife wants to live in China....EWE!!!!!

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