Drew Dowdell

CTS-V Challenge Results from Monticello

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Best lap times in the first heat: Michael C. driving a BMW M3 with a best lap of 2:50:424. Jack Baruth in CTS-V put up best lap of 2:51:153 and Archan B. in Jaguar XF-R ran a 3:15.670.

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Sounds like the M3 is in the lead, and the Cadillac is in close 2nd. If all you read is the comments on this website, no other sedan could ever stand a chance against the Cadillac. Horsepower isn't everything.

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Damn. I'm getting into a fight with the guy from KickingTires. He's saying that Cadillac lost because Lutz didn't post a faster time than the M3 driver.

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Damn. I'm getting into a fight with the guy from KickingTires. He's saying that Cadillac lost because Lutz didn't post a faster time than the M3 driver.

That would seem to depend upon the driver's license/experience of the M3 driver. John Heinricy was supposed to be there to combat the drivers with a racing license of some sort I thought. In the pre-race video, the M3 driver does seem to have some experience, though not sure which category he falls into.

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Final Times per Autoblog:

(edit: re-sequenced order)

CTS-V (John Heinricy): 2:46:560

CTS-V (Aaron Link): 2:48:902

CTS-V (Brian Redman): 2:49:183

BMW M3 (Michael Cooper): 2.50:424

CTS-V (Jack Baruth): 2:51:153

CTS-V (Lawrence Ulrich): 2:53:026

CTS-V (Bob Lutz): 2:56:321

Evo (Wes Siler): 3:08.126

BMW M5 (Michael Mainwald): 3:08:989

CTS-V (Chris Fairman.): 3:14:292

Audi RS4 (Tom Loder): 3:15:702

Jaguar XF (Archan Basu): 3:16.670

Edited by BigPontiac
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That would seem to depend upon the driver's license/experience of the M3 driver. John Heinricy was supposed to be there to combat the drivers with a racing license of some sort I thought. In the pre-race video, the M3 driver does seem to have some experience, though not sure which category he falls into.

Name: Michael C.

Hometown: Long Island, NY

Our second Michael has trained at Skip Barber. At just 21 years old, Michael is the younger driver in the Challenge. He owns a BMW M3.

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Name: Michael C.

Hometown: Long Island, NY

Our second Michael has trained at Skip Barber. At just 21 years old, Michael is the younger driver in the Challenge. He owns a BMW M3.

All I could find was this:

And while this whole event/stunt began with a personal challenge from Bob Lutz in a conference call with media, GM will have professional racer and former GM engineer John Heinricy on-hand. According to Twork, "Heinricy will be used at the discretion of Mr. Lutz." In other words, GM will have its own ringer should any other competitor bring one.

Source: InsideLine

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The problem with this is it is testing who is the best driver. Because Heinricy is obviously much better than Lutz. What they need is to put every car in the hands of The Stig and then see which one has the best time.

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Interesting, but where was the Lexus IS-F? The Merc AMGs (C63 or E63s)?

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I don't understand why all these CTS-V times are being shown. Wasn't it supposed to be Bob Lutz in a CTS-V against any challenger in a stock sedan?

If so, this appears to be the real final result:

Michael Cooper - BMW M3 - 2:50:424

Bob Lutz - CTS-V - 2:56:321

Michael Mainwald - BMW M5 - 3:05:398

Wes Siler- Mitsubishi Evo - 3:08:126

Archan Basu - Jaguar XF - 3:15:670

Tom Loder - Audi RS4 - 3:15:702

And as already stated, this comparison is heavily driver-skewed, as every driver was at a different level. It appears that none of the challengers were professional drivers (although at least one having some sort of driver training), so the CTS-V pro-driver times are pointless.

All in good competition. And Bob did manage to beat the M5.

Edit: and two journalists beat Bob in his own car. Perhaps Bob needs some more practice before he goes challenging the world. ;-]

Edited by siegen
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Interesting, but where was the Lexus IS-F? The Merc AMGs (C63 or E63s)?

From my understanding, no manufacturer save Mitsubishi was willing to provide their own car (after Jaguar backed out) so GM had to rely on I guess individuals that brought their own cars....??

Prolly not easy for GM to find this caliber of vehicle at a rental facility or something similar.....

All in all, I think this was an interesting exercise and certainly drew some attention to GM and the CTS-V......and being it's already being posted on sites such as YouTube, will probably continue to draw attention for many weeks to come....

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This also brings to mind a memory of something I pulled together one time at the Reno Air Races in Reno, Nevada.

At the time, I was working for Buick in the San Francisco Zone (which Reno was a part of) and as a result, we were responsible for Buick's sponsorship of the Reno Air Races at the time.

We had exhibits there, focusing on the new Buick Regal and the SC 3800 engine, and I had the idea to stage a drag race competition in between the air races to demonstrate the power and torque of the new (at that time) Regal GS with the SC 3800.

The plan was to stage this drag race on the main runway that happened to run parallel to the main grandstands for the air races, which was full of spectators. We also had the main announcer describing the event in detail to the spectators as we pulled it off. At the time, my goal was to dust off a Mustang GT (of that era) with a "Buick." That was the attraction.....blown V6 Buick beats a V8-powered pony car.

I knew that the car mags were putting the Regal GS at 6.8 seconds 0-60......and I think I remember a road test of an automatic-equipped Mustang GT in the low 7-sec range. (Of course the auto-equipped GT would give Ford a slight handicap over a stick, but the audience didn't know that.)

Just to be sure before hand, the night before the races, once we acquired the vehicles, my "staff" helping me stage this event and I took the GS and GT out on a deserted desert road and ran them......and sure enough.....the GS held a slight-to-moderate lead on every run we ran.

Just to add insult to injury, we also added a Taurus SHO (ovoid-shaped, also V8-powered like GT) a Toyota Camry V6, and a Honda Accord V6. Of course the runway was definitely wide-enough that we could stage all five cars easily for a five-car drag race.

I drove the Regal on every run......and right next to me was the Mustang. On every run, the Regal GS came in first.....the GT second.....(then the biggest surprise)....the Camry 3rd (!! beating the SHO)....the SHO.....then pulling up a distant last place, the Accord V6.

The last run, just to make sure we weren't falsely staging this whole event, we invited the announcer down with four of his staff to repeat the drag race.......(5 non-GM, non-Buick, indepenent guys).....and the race finished the way it did in every other run.

I've never had so much fun in all my life. Interesting to note.....the lead Buick product planner for the time for the Regal thought I was crazy to do this......he thought the Mustang would slaughter us.....(shows how much HE knew) but I persisted and insisted......and we had a fun time....

After the drag racing......during the rest of the weekend event.....the Buick display with the Regal and SC 3800 was packed......

8)

(Sorry for hijacking this thread....lol)

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I don't understand why all these CTS-V times are being shown. Wasn't it supposed to be Bob Lutz in a CTS-V against any challenger in a stock sedan?

If so, this appears to be the real final result:

Michael Cooper - BMW M3 - 2:50:424

Bob Lutz - CTS-V - 2:56:321

Michael Mainwald - BMW M5 - 3:05:398

Wes Siler- Mitsubishi Evo - 3:08:126

Archan Basu - Jaguar XF - 3:15:670

Tom Loder - Audi RS4 - 3:15:702

And as already stated, this comparison is heavily driver-skewed, as every driver was at a different level. It appears that none of the challengers were professional drivers (although at least one having some sort of driver training), so the CTS-V pro-driver times are pointless.

All in good competition. And Bob did manage to beat the M5.

Edit: and two journalists beat Bob in his own car. Perhaps Bob needs some more practice before he goes challenging the world. ;-]

The M3 driver was also professionally trained. I think we should put him in the CTS-V and see what he can do. Also, Bob was driving an automatic.

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