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Holy Crap The Ford GT Is On Pole For Le Mans!

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" Say it with me now: U-S-A! U-S-A! In its first ever running at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the all-new Ford GT will start on pole and in second in the LM GTE Pro class.


 


It’s a remarkable achievement for the twin-turbo V6 car just a year after its unveiling, and for a race exactly 50 years after the original Ford GT40's historic win at the 1966 running of Le Mans.


 


Ford and Porsche fans, thank Mother Nature for the rain. Today’s two wet qualifying sessions offered few chances for teams to beat their fastest laps from Wednesday’s first qualifying session. Porsche 919s took an overall 1-2 in qualifying, and the Ford GT will start 1 and 2 in LM GTE Pro, too. The other two Ford Chip Ganassi Racing Ford GTs start in 4th and 5th as well.  "


 


Dig it! Ford GT qualified 1-2-4-5...


 


Now lets see if the only American Mfg to ever win overall ( 4x, and all in a row ) can pull a GTE Class win in the return of Ford to Le Mans.


 


http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/holy-crap-the-ford-gt-is-on-pole-for-le-mans-1782125811


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I didn't realize one team could field 4 cars. I saw a little article the other day highlighting the drivers and the new program and whatnot but I didn't realize they could run so many cars. 

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" The undeniable speed advantage enjoyed by the turbocharged Ford and Ferrari GTE-Pro cars in practice andqualifying has been met with significant Balance of Performance changes just over 24 hours before the start of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.


 


The pole-winning ford GTs, which qualified 1-2-4-5 in the 14-car class, have received an extra 10 kilos (22 pounds) of ballast, moving the four cars up to 1248 kgs (2751 lbs), but that's only a token change. The big pre-race adjustment is the removal of boost pressure throughout the twin-turbo V6's rev range from 4200-7000 rpms. Only the Ford's peak 7100 rpm range was left untouched. "


 


I'm trying to find exactly what is meant by " the removal of boost pressure throughout the twin-turbo V6's rev range... " Does that mean no boost in that RPM range? Lower PSI?


 


 


http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/130910-lm24-sweeping-pre-race-gte-pro-bop-changes-made


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" The pole-winning Ford Chip Ganassi Racing GTE-Pro team has taken the pre-race Balance of Performance changes aimed at slowing its fleet of Ford GTs in stride.


 


The four GTs have taken on extra weight and lost turbo boost for the 24 Hours of Le Mans after qualifying P1-2-4-5. Those changes, along with penalties to the rapid turbo Ferrari 488s, and breaks for the slow Aston Martin V8 Vantages and Corvette C7.Rs, should reduce the sizeable 3.7-second gap that separated turbos from non-turbos. "


 


This here sounds along the lines of lower boost pressure. But its still not clear to me.


 


http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/130912-lm24-ford-takes-bop-changes-in-stride


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Very cool, here is hoping for the best for them. :metal:

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I think it's pretty safe to say it's just a lower PSI in that rpm range. No way would they only allow boost over 7000rpm and heck, I don't even know if that's possible to even do. Plus, there is no way the turbo mill makes enough power if you eliminated the turbos to keep pace with anything. 

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Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor.

Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got breathing and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.

The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap.

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There was zero mention of sandbagging in that article. If you would please point out the part where they mention sandbagging. 

 

If you're referring to them running ver quick laps then the Ferrari 488 and Corvettes all had BoP changes this week reducing speed and just yesterday they gave a little back to the Vettes. 

I like the car numbers on the Ford GT's...

 

66, 67, 68, 69

 

The significance of those numbers is those are the yrs Ford won Le Mans.

Really? That's actually really cool! 

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Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor.

Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got boosts and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.

The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap.

 

 

 

Actually Ferrari has ballast ( 22kg ) ADDED and no boost change. They also get an additional 4L of fuel capacity.

 

Porches only BOP change is added 8L fuel capacity - no air restriction or weight change. And for AM....well I have read of no changes.

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Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor.

Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got breathing and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.

The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap.

 

Corvette's initial BoP adjustment. 

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/news/a29574/corvette-racing-is-not-impressed-with-performance-adjustments-at-le-mans/

 

Ferrari gained weight. 55lbs. 

"On the Ferrari side, its new twin-turbo V8 488 was met with the opposite treatment as its boost was left alone in favor of reducing its pace through bolting an extra 25 kilos (55 pounds) to the three Prancing horses that qualified P3-5-6."

 

WTF are you even reading? 

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Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor.
Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got breathing and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.

The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap.

Corvette's initial BoP adjustment.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/news/a29574/corvette-racing-is-not-impressed-with-performance-adjustments-at-le-mans/

Ferrari gained weight. 55lbs.

"On the Ferrari side, its new twin-turbo V8 488 was met with the opposite treatment as its boost was left alone in favor of reducing its pace through bolting an extra 25 kilos (55 pounds) to the three Prancing horses that qualified P3-5-6."[/size]

WTF are you even reading?

Ok, I'll retract my Ferrari comment and double down on the sandbagging one:

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/first-le-mans-qualifying-session-puts-a-sandbag-free-fo-1782063033

...everybody knew. Carbon tub, three-digit production run... it's a ringer. And it will be adjusted accordingly. Hey, it still may win, but the odds went down quite a bit.

And if it DOES wind up losing... well.

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So now youre slagging the construction of the Ford GT?   :palm:  

 

How about the non production 5.5L in the Corvette? 

 

Come on Bong....

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Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor.
Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got breathing and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.

The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap.

Corvette's initial BoP adjustment.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/news/a29574/corvette-racing-is-not-impressed-with-performance-adjustments-at-le-mans/

Ferrari gained weight. 55lbs.

"On the Ferrari side, its new twin-turbo V8 488 was met with the opposite treatment as its boost was left alone in favor of reducing its pace through bolting an extra 25 kilos (55 pounds) to the three Prancing horses that qualified P3-5-6."[/size]

WTF are you even reading?

Ok, I'll retract my Ferrari comment and double down on the sandbagging one:

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/first-le-mans-qualifying-session-puts-a-sandbag-free-fo-1782063033

...everybody knew. They used a carbon tub in a produc

 

Per your link...

 

"Its sister No. 64 Corvette was the second slowest in LM GTE Pro. Another conspiracy theory posits that the Corvettes are saving their true pace for later in order to force Balance of Performance changes for the Fords. Adjust those tin-foil berets, folks, and welcome to Le Mans week."

 

I can tell you don't follow the sport because if you had been this has been a discussion amongst EVERY team holding back prior t even coming to Le Mans because everybody wants to have as much advantage as they can.

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There was zero mention of sandbagging in that article. If you would please point out the part where they mention sandbagging. 

 

If you're referring to them running ver quick laps then the Ferrari 488 and Corvettes all had BoP changes this week reducing speed and just yesterday they gave a little back to the Vettes. 

I like the car numbers on the Ford GT's...

 

66, 67, 68, 69

 

The significance of those numbers is those are the yrs Ford won Le Mans.

Really? That's actually really cool! 

 

 

 

Ford-GT-racecar-numbers_image-1.jpg

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^^^^^^

 

Hence my snippet about the C.7R bagging in order to get a BOP change in their favor.

Honestly, I think they all 'bagged a little. Its the nature of the game when you have "on the fly" adjustments to the fastest cars to slow them down. That's one reason NASCAR is such a great form of auto racing. There is none of that going on. 

 

To try and single out one manufacture/team and not look at the whole picture of how the sport just "is" is a little near sighted. Ferrari, Ford, and Vette were all forced to make changes this week. This kind of thing literally happens every week/event in this series to try and keep as level playing field as possible.

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I'm just pointing out (using the same website as the OP) that it ain't all sunshine and lollipops winning the class pole by such a large margin. Nothing more, nothing less. If there's butthurt about that, ain't my problem.

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I'm just pointing out (using the same website as the OP) that it ain't all sunshine and lollipops winning the class pole by such a large margin. Nothing more, nothing less. If there's butthurt about that, ain't my problem.

You really don't know anything about the series and you just sound ignorant. Regardless of how perfect a car is the series will level the field by pulling power, adding weight and vise versa for the competition so it doesn't really matter how great a car is because the series is aimed at a competitive racing otherwise it would be like watching F1 where the same team wins/leads at every track. It might switch from year to year but like this year Mclaren Mercedes is winning just about everything(if they don't take each other out).

And because you don't follow the sport, it's pretty obvious your intentions in this thread. Not to actually discuss the topic but to try and bash a brand(the same one you do at every turn).

Follow the sport and don't look like a douche next time.

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