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After simmering on this a bit more.... this is going to have serious political implications in 2020. In the last 14 presidential elections, Ohio has gone with the ultimate winner in the election. Trump won the county where Lordstown sits by 6,000 votes. One would think it could also have a significant impact on the mood of the constituents of Michigan in 2 years time. It is entirely possible that the next presidential election was just decided today.

also... Why is that part.. particularly the bolded being ignored also? Negotiations and "carrot/stick" moves have to be put in place. Again.. I understand consolidation of underutilized plants.. and even merging a few vehicles. Personally I have never understood why the Spark and Sonic existed together.. In fact.. many times I went on record here saying that the TRAX should have simply been a TALL Sonic.. kill the Spark. The Volt too.. I could never understand why it simply wasn't called the CRUZE HYBRID.. sales would have been the same or better.. and the idea that having a separate vehicle similar to Toyota's Prius was unnecessary for GM.. they aren't using the VOLT name to make themselves seem more green.. so why bother? I see billion of marketing dollars going to the Silverado and its spawn.. and just thousands of dollars going to the Volt and Bolt.

I read this slightly different.. as I though the plan all along was to consolidate plants.. It makes zero sense to kill the Cruze, Volt, and CT6.. and still continue making the Spark and Sonic.. unless what is going on is these products are simply being moved. Product is shifting.. these non-enthusiastic drivers LOVE CUVs.. hence Ford's exodus from the car market.. but we have a CT3 and CT5 on the way.. the death of the XTS means without the CT6 after 2020... what's going to happen? MY guess.. on that note would be that someone got the message that if U are going to directly compete with the other lux brands.. it makes no sense to have a CT3, CT5, CT6.. and then intro a CT7. Could it be that the CT6, a vehicle that was misnamed in the first place.. will simply morph into a CT7 ? I'm an optimist tho.. something that is not looked upon in high regard when it comes to GM

Was a bible thumping IDIOT! Now his stupid family wants the Indian government to recover his body from an Island that was off limits to the world as they told the Indian government to stay away. He ignored as he just had to bring the world of his god to the savages according to his family here in WA. Totally Looney bin people. He got what he deserved and life will move on. He attempted to go there in 2015 and 2016 and the Indian government stopped him both times and expelled him. This time he took the long way by fisherman boat and then paid to get close and as such paid with his life. No tears for stupidity. We live in what I consider the worlds greatest country and if you want religion, your welcome to it, if you do not you're welcome to that as well, but no where does our country or religion say you have to push / force your beliefs on others. I will never get this idea that people all have to believe the same as others. Crazy stupid ignorance.

Stupidity?

Thinking about the news wherein that guy from WA state, less than 30 years old, got some fishermen to illegally ferry him to a remote and off limits island in the Indian Ocean inhabited by people who are about 1,000 years removed from the modern world and who in turn did him in. Shouldn't have he been home for Thanksgiving? Evidently, he traveled all over the world doing this sort of missionary work. The inhabitants of that island have resisted intervention from outsiders for centuries. What made him think he had a special brand of charisma to be successful?

For those of us who grew up as GM fans, the GM of today is a pale excuse. And their stated future plans suck ass. They've priced themselves into oblivion, for one thing. And actually having the balls to say their pickups and BOF Suvs profits are going to fund a very risky and suspect future just makes it that much worse. How much can diehards take before they say ENOUGH?

Yes yes yes... where is the honorable Bob Lutz when he is desperately needed? Zero emissions, zero crashes and zero congestion is pure baloney.

I'm wondering what Average Joe considers their price point to be and what performance they would expect at that price point. The Chevy SS and Pontiac G8 did not exactly send Average Joes clamouring to GM dealerships. The Stinger GT isn't found at every corner.

What isn't changed is the vehicles that would be canceled. Everything on the list is among GM's slowest retail sellers. If they cancel the Cruze... there is no reason to keep Lordstown. I am surprised but not really that the CT6 is on the cut list. The XTS we've known about for a while.... if Impala and XTS go, then there is no business case for Lacrosse. From there it snowballs. No Cruze = No Volt. No Volt + No Impala + No Lacrosse = CT6 alone at Hamtramck, which just doesn't add up. My guess is that if ANY of these vehicles survive, it will be the CT6 because it is the newest, but they'll build it in China and ship it over.

Because that would make too much sense. This is GM we are talking about.

They put a load of money into Detroit-Hamtramck to make it one of the most advanced plants in North America. I'm surprised they're closing it instead of moving other product there. I get their reasoning for cutting the vehicles they're cutting, but why not build the inevitable CUVs/SUVs in that plant? It moved once Camaro moved to a platform shared with Cadillac..... in 2015, not 2012.

I could see three of those five plants shutting down sooner than later. Does GM need Baltimore AND Warren? In theory, GM could simply consolidate those two into one facility. As for the other three, two can be shut down with no ill effects on GM's bottom line. Sad as it is, This is not 1980 or even 2005. Consolidation and efficiency are the orders of the day. Wall Street Demands it and Commands it. All other will follow.

You can tell absolutely nothing from that picture of how roomy it actually is.. But it is an EV so I would only expect you to assume it's God-like.

Damn. And they’re not even allocating better selling products to those plants.

700 hp and 800 lb-ft of torque is insane, that is what I love about EV's. That crushes any V8 truck. I also like the flat floor in the interior, looks very spacious and the front trunk and storage is nice too. Hopefully they are successful with this, I'd like to see more options for EVs rather than small hatchbacks.

First off, I feel bad for the folks that are losing their jobs. These big corporations lobbied for and got the tax cuts under the guise of "we'll bring the jobs and money back to the US" but we all knew that wasn't going to happen. As far as the products go, I would be surprised for the Volt to be totally killed, I could see the Volt becoming a pure EV sedan, something bigger than the Bolt and maybe not as big as a Malibu. I think the CT6 could move production to another plant, possibly even China and import. I don't think they will totally kill that product. The LaCrosse, Impala, XTS, Cruze I think are all dead. Buick can get by with 1 sedan and they'll probably just do a Malibu clone to replace the current Regal/LaCrosse, maybe they recycle one of those name plates.

Don't know at the moment, my guess would have been Detroit-Hamtramck. But now I wonder if Lansing could do it.

Guys, this is just the start- You haven’t seen anything yet. And not for GM for sure. One thing I can say- they see the doom coming for the upcoming recession.... This will only keep running through the industry..other automakers will follow. And welcome the Chinese...their opening has been found.......

Dude, the Tundra's been here since 1999! "They did" is what you meant to say. How's that working out for toyota?

Those are also Heavy Duty trucks with lower horsepower numbers. This truck does 0-60 as fast as a Corvette Z06, which is pretty insane. This Rivian will compete with Ecoboost 3.5 F150s. I'm sure if this company got going and comes up with an HD pickup they could have it tow 20,000 lbs or some ridiculous number. The new Tesla Roadster is supposed to have 7,000 lb-ft of torque, I would imagine they could fit that to the pick up they are planning. I wouldn't bet on diesel as the future.

I won't be surprised if CT6 moves to Lansing with CT4 and CT5, but I also won't be surprised if the car is just dropped because it has sold so poorly. People with the income to buy new cars just want SUV's, crossovers, and 4 door pickups.

SMK...read again, would Mercedes make reasonable profit if it just had the German market? Hell no! Shareholders and half of the German workers would outright demand the heads to get off their ass and sell more product in other countries! To make more profit! That’s it. Every company finds its way to more profit. They don’t think about products that are nice to have, but rather what makes results. i don’t think the car is totally dead, but if you want a sedan, really, import brands overall just did a better job anyways for the model year 2018, especially in lower end trims. Maybe a Plutonium Fusion or whatever they used to call it had an interior with a positive reaction... but that’s gone. In its place is an Escape to a place that needs an Edge that is fulfilled by the Expeditonion-ing Explorer. There he will find his greatest rival, the Park Ranger. Legend says he once was a Raptor in a far off land, but came here with steel in his teeth and and four cyclinders in his heart. That’s probably why he died for like 8 years folks. He had 4 fucking cyclinders in his body. Ford’s new Focus is the F150. That is the model year 2019 Ford Focus. What were you thinking - that it’s a tin pot?! Nope, it’s a BEER CAN. Get your product of metallurgy right dammit! The Continental is no longer needed. You’d think they’d understood that a long time ago. The new continents were found hundreds of years ago. What, are they going to find a need a Continental that goes to Mars? You have Tesla’s in space for that! You need a SpaceEx...A SpaceExpediton. Dammit, looks like someone stole the idea from Ford! Instead, Sea, and Air. Where else can Lincoln emancipate the people of luxury? We haven’t mastered those like all of land yet. The Nautilus needs a capable Navigator at its helm. and the Corsair can only fly with a capable Aviator. Chrysler probably had a month where they only sold 200 of their former midsize sedans. PTful. Aren’t GIU - glad that they are LIA-ving behind some four leaf clovers instead? Plus they have Charging RAMs and Red eye’d Hellcats. They have harnessed the power of the Demon itself. May you bask in the GUTs and GLORY. Thats before you even count all these cute renegade Jeeps prowling around. Their old Wrangler to keep ‘em line just retired like all these employees being bought out. So they have a new one. May he bring forth one in his upbringing to be the next leader... the Commander, the Grand Cherokee.. And now you may find a day where there’s no Black Cadillacs to be seen in Malibu... except of course the Slades that Elevate to the top of the Sierras. I hear it’s High Country up there. We should all visit Silverados sometime. The V’s that would Cruze to along are a dying breed. Like who watches Lacrosse anyways? Seriously... The Volt led to the Bolt. That’s humans trying to reverse nature, because I’m pretty sure it was actually the true bolt of nature than led to the lowly potential of the volt... Such great legends and stories folks. Long live the prophet.... the profit. Funny how words change in how they’re spelled and pronounced. And thusly we can summarize the history of everything.

Didn't know about this interesting bit of history concerning GM's Detroit-Hamtramck plant. From Reuters via Automotive News (Subscription Required).

Maybe he will be 'Gone, Carlos, Gone'....

The CT6 is the most competitive Cadillac sedan they have. Dropping the CTS, XTS and ATS should come before the CT6, imo. Zero crashes, zero emissions, zero congestion is so much bull$h!. Barra's head on a platter, NOW.

Stuff I've seen suggests the CT5 surely won't be any larger inside than the CTS, excepting perhaps a little more knee room around a less obtrusive console. The styling based on spy pics doesn't suggest a game changer or even something improved. Large sedan is Cadilac's DNA. If the CT6 goes away, quite simply, they are f---ed. CT6 will replace their XTS volume if they repackage their trims and sell enough of them in non platinum 90k plus trim levels. This simply honors the fact that Cadillac can't sell at absurd transaction prices like the Germans, and that enough of their showroom product has to sell in lower lux tier volume prices to keep the dealerships doors open. I'll even go a bit further and suggest the people running GM don't even care 2 shits about the product. It's old lore that GM was run by bean counters but the influence of performance did come through. GM is so diluted in crap these days I don't think most at the top give a shit if GM doesn't fade into being Hyundai or Toyota. GM is more concerned with social media, PR, autonomous driving, electrics, than product. Show me any of the top tier execs who flex their muscle to fight for anything besides Corvette and Camaro, which may be all they are given the ability to even keep.

Well look at it this way. Does Toyota survive with Japan mostly? Does Mercedes really make any reasonable profit in Germany alone? Aside from the part of the market that they domestically have cornered, it seems the domestic makes here have now become fully globalized and will now only compete where they make money. It’s almost as though they’ve become really conservative. The only automakers making splashes are really some Korean cars and maybe new start-ups where they aren’t compete failures. Everyting else is cold, calculated and a sign of the times.

There was also a Cobalt SS...forgot about that..was trying to think of cheap GM performance cars from the last 15 years or so...

Ahhh the Z24.... brings back memory of high school and $h! boxes that felt like they were going to fall apart on bad roads even when new.

GM used to have cheap Average Joe performance cars like the Cavalier Z24, but with the Cruze there were no performance models or coupes...just boring sedans.

And cars that used be 'Average Joe' performance cars like the Camaro SS and Mustang GT are easily $40k and up w/ options. Average Joe today is driving a FWD 4cyl transverse automatic trans appliance.

There aren't performance vehicles for the average joe. The Charger Hellcat costs as much as an ATS-V. A Grand Cherokee Trackhawk is in CTS-V territory... or might as well be as much as it matters to the Average Joe. It doesn't matter that FCA is using their Average Joe brand names, they still cost as much as a Cadillac performance vehicle. And Joe can barely handle an Impala V6 at full throttle.

i don't see the Cruze going away. GM needs it for CAFE. Regarding the CT6, no way they kill that car after just announcing the v8 for it. Plus, it delivers what real Cadillac fans want. Size. My bet is they move it to another plant, China, or change it to CT7 as suggested. If Cadillac fully kills that car, then fuck them. They deserve what they have coming to them. Will anyone give two shits about Cadillac if they don't offer a full sized sedan? (but will probably still have a CT3 or CT4). I saw an interior spy photo of the CT5 interior on Burlapp cars. That won't take any business away from the Germans for interior design and quality. It's a reconfigured XT4 interior. The other point about this being a pre-emptive strike in the labor war, that makes sense to me also. Sorry to throw this out there, but post 2009, Barra led GM is becoming a joke. Spend all the $$$ on chasing autonomous cars and complying with CAFE. Mistakes with Camaro. No impactful EV releases that would challenge Tesla. Looking to move all vehicle assembly out of the US, seemingly. No performance vehicles for the average Joe, that aren't a pony car.

The CT6 and the Volt (maybe) are the only two that deserve saving. The rest can rest in peace, given the massive shift to SUVs and crossovers. As for the Volt and Bolt, when is GM going to put out its replacement platform for those vehicles? Moreover, where is the EV version of an Equinox/Terrain/Envision?

Saw this at Jalopnik, good chart of the plants and people. https://jalopnik.com/dead-the-cadillac-ct6-and-a-ton-of-other-gm-cars-1830656192

And where are the cup holders? Unsellable without them...

Well if you're taking this picture that serious, the headrest is almost touching the roof so you're screwed. Maybe you don't know how the word "fact" works but that is the complete opposite when you don't have any hard numbers or anything provable. I can't imagine this being any roomier than a half ton truck from the D3. Look at how narrow the center arm rest is.. It's absolutely smaller than a Silverado, Ram, or F150.

New home for your Motley Crew?

Could be..maybe an access door for cats or small dogs to go hang out in the frunk...

LOL, you can tell alot from this photo: You can clearly see the accelerator and brake, that right there tells you there is way more legroom than in autos that have the dash connect to the center console. I know for a fact this has more room as it is much like the 90's suburban. I have more leg room in my 1994 suburban than in my 2006 escalade esv due to that center area being more open. This look at the dash shows you the large amount of legroom to enjoy. I have not ever had a headroom problem in a truck, so that is a true assumption by me that I will have plenty of headroom. Hopefully on the release at LA we will learn the actual leg, hip, head room sizing for this truck.

I have a religion but I am not interested in selling it to others. Not my style. Chalk that up to 16 years of Catholic school. Yes, the missionary kid was from Vancouver, WA. I guess if armed and shielded personnel from the government went to the island, they might be able to recover the body. They say there are no more than 50 people on that island. The account of their appending two fisherman whose boat strayed to the island (because of the tides) on stakes facing the beach some 10 years ago is harrowing. And these 2 people were just fishing, not preaching. On another note, be sure to leave a small tip for the housekeeper at any hotel you stay at. Leave a smaller tip daily instead of all at the end because housekeepers switch floors and rooms and also work different days of the week. A waitress/waiter cleans your table. A housekeeper cleans your toilet. That's how I look at it.

Very excited for this pickup truck. I do wonder why the 180 kWh battery pack drops HP. I get it has more range, but I see no reason to drop the HP compared to the 135 kWh battery pack. Like the Cyclone look. Love the open roominess of this truck! Gotta love a nice big Frunk! Like the ability of the tailgate in this truck. Cool storage area that also looks accessible from the inside. Great Dash Gotta love the power plug ports and USB C ports in a protected spot in the bed for external use. Bed does look short, some will probably have problems with a 4'6" long bed with tailgate up. For most city and suburban dwellers, I think this will work just fine.

"Transforming the global enterprise to advance the company’s vision of Zero Crashes, Zero Emissions, Zero Congestion. " They forgot "Zero Driving"?

I have 4 V8 vehicles : 239, 389, 403, 470. Also have 4 spare engines : 291, 330, 455, 455. That's 3,032 cubic inches in my arsenal. ? - - - - -

2-dr wagon... with FINS ?

Drove by an exotic car dealership w/ a variety of Ferraris, Lamborghinis, at least one McLaren in the showroom. Saw this black Ferrari 488, then a new '19 Chevy Silverado for the first time. Looks better in person, esp. in gray w/ the chrome trim. The front fender edge and grille area is still too busy, too many cutlines and large gaps, IMO. Also saw a gray Bentley Continental GT on a windy, hilly road appropriately named Bentleyville Road. And I saw so many Audis...mostly silver and gray. Audis seem to far out number Mercedes and BMWs in the fancy areas of eastern Cuyahoga County, Ohio (the small towns all look like the North East/New England more than the Midwest). And as a random aside, I also discovered there are many horse farms in eastern Cuyahoga County, something I didn't realize... Also drove by a house where someone had an affinity for GM 2 seaters—-a black Allante, a red Fiero, a silver Fiero, a gold Reatta, and a red C4 Corvette all in various states of disrepair w/ grass growing up around them.

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Sold it.... CR-V is finally gone.