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I did not forget my Amish. They are all around me. I was dodging road apples this afternoon, in fact.

Cougars were fine looking cars in that era though.

when they say camaro “hybrid...”

touche'. Still; seems to me the STi is performing at it's 99th %, whereas the 2+2 is clearly capable of more as is. Tell you what, let's switch tires between the two (STi: 245/40-18s) and play the averages. >:) - - - - - Going to rehash this personal issue, as new info came to me tonight. The address numbers I've lived at : 1100 211 211 1717 11 13 1501 I dunno; the statistical odds of that many double 1's (and the single '1' of '13', which is 1+1 from the number 11), seems incredibly unlikely. I'm sure it means nothing.

So that Pontiac is about as fast as a Golf R or WRX STI...since the Beetle R has the GTI drivedrain...I've seen similar dead stock Beetle R pull about 14.8 at the track...vintage Ferrari about as fast as modern Beetle R. None of them looked remotely as good as the Pontiac though. Actually nothing much has since IMHO. I feel blessed as an enthusiast to have experienced both eras. Or we could harness the wasted energy off of both you and blu...and build a perpetual motion machine. Would do away with the need for electric and ICE both. Change is inevitable grasshopper. Thermonuclar intercontinental war would be the only way ICE pickups go out that fast. What few humans remained would use irradiated pack animals to move what little needed moved.

What do you think of this? The arguments seem quite rational.

Well, of course a startup looking to insure their future is going to actively talk about a THIRD model when they haven't even built the FIRST one yet. Investors. Buzz me when they issue an IPO, I might be interested. Tesla is stupidly overpriced, but I got burned on Excelsior-Henderson.

LOL- apparently it's not Level 9 Autonomous. I'll have to wait.

I think cost (at least for now) is going to be the biggest issues with EV. That said, I can see a future where both EV and ICE can live together in harmony......

When I was a young teenager, a couple times I went to a different barbershop than the usual. They draped the typical cloth over me, but the cartoon print on it was skiers and hikers traversing giant naked female bodies. Nothing graphic, but still kinda surprising to be covered with near life-size boobs, buttocks & legs. Anyway, I kinda assumed that's the sort of thing VR goggles were for. :D

Remember when you were a kid or a teenager and there were those 1-800 infomercials for "Hooked on Phonics?" One of my friends remarked that there should be a product called "Hooked on Ebonics." Just saying.

FWD. Seriously.. The only difference in my Impala 3.6L is that I have changed the exhaust.. and it feels as smooth and powerful. It feels right for a Chevy or Buick. The 3.6L in the Camaro is a nice and powerful tool.. but in the Cadillacs I've driven that also have a forced induction option.. going to them with a 3.6L just didn't feel as special.. and by special I mean luxo. Put it to U like this. I've driven the XT5 with the 3.6L and it was very nice.. Nicer IMO than the 3.5L in the RX, MDX, and almost as nice as the 3.0L in the X5, but the 3.0L TT in the BMW felt smoother. Probably the torque. I'm sure it was the torque. BUT ALAS.. that's the thing. Cadillac has a 3.0L TT too.. and its more powerful and more torquey. They could detune for competitive variations. 350HP to 404HP

This is actually pretty easy, they do use various quality of parts on the power train that make a major difference on how an auto drives and handles. Perfect example is my Escalade glides compared to the Chevrolet Suburban. According to GM, they use a higher quality bearing packs that allow a smooth glide when not under acceleration so the auto goes farther.

Thanks. I have driven other brand luxury cars with their comparable V6s, and have long come to the conclusion that Forced induction was a smoother delivery system for those vehicles vs the 3.6L being avail in any of the Cadillacs. Point of fact.. I enjoyed the 2.0L Turbo in the ATS more than I enjoyed the 3.6L. The 3.0L TT, 3.6L TT in both LF3 and LF4 configs is sublime, and it always baffled me why GM/Cadillac didn't utilize all of those choices more and keep the 3.6L NA in the other brands. The 2.0L @ 300HP.. the 3.0L @ 350- 400HP.. the 3.6LTT @ 420- 465HP .. 6.2L S/C @ 650HP. That's all they needed and it would have covered every base with available engine choice. That being said.. the CT6 with the engine was fine in terms of performance, but it felt no more special in engine delivery than my Impala. This is the issue that GM needs to work out. Ironically it has engines in service to do this.. and has had them for several years

14 vs 13.8...about. If you get better tires I get a computer reflash...mod to mod vs stock to stock....

I agree, Cadillacs should all be forced induction. Love the pics and the review and the review video! Cadillac is so foolish if they kill this car. And i don't think they will. I think they will bring it from China. They've done enough fixes that the car deserves to live. They need to price and package it for more sales volume. Your comments about the 3.6 are interesting. I tested a Regal GS this weekend and didn't like the 3.6, didn't like it in the LaCrosse either. Most GM's with the 3.6 I can't like much. But I am intrigued by how you say this CT6 performs.

a lot of this recent GM and probably Ford bullshit. They clearly want to shed US production, and keep digging into the union contracts. That's probably why Ford initially killed the Ranger back when, at least part of it. Now they are bringing it back. GM can kill making the Cruze and other vehicles here, Ford can kill Fusion and Focus. Rid the market of such things for awhile, then bring the products back and stealthily have choice of making it elsewhere. There is a part of this that is political also. Like it or not, they want to hold this over Trumps head for the 2020 election. Get started on shaping public opinion now. "This is Trumps fault". They want their voter base that switched in 2018 to 'switch back' for 2020. GM's 'bailout' in 2009 had so many strings, one of which was bow to the CAFE altar, spend tons of $$$ of EV's (curiously without any product to show besides the Volt and Bolt and nothing to challenge Tesla) and dump all sorts of coin into autonomous technologies (which someday will make government control of your transportation device and surveil you). Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, gone. Cars with power, gone (Unless you pay dearly). Now GM spends more time worrying about PR, social media, autonomous vehicles, etc. They ignore their traditional base a lot of the time, and can't keep up fast enough with new products. This really would have been a good time to replace Barra, and concentrate on product again. By that, I mean more and better choices, better gasoline engine powertrain development, and at least getting real competition for Tesla if they want to think they are part of the EV game. Fix Cadillac, try to keep market share elsewhere and gain it, not cede it.

Another Japanese Piano Jazz musician that studied in the states and then went back home and started to produce some very smooth jazz. She now tours around the world, saw her this past summer at Jazz Alley in Seattle. Love Keiko Matsui! First Album I got of here in Japan.

I see an '18 WRX STi tested at 14.1 @ 98. 98 MPH 'should' equate to a 13.9, but that's a turbo for you- implies lag. The Pontiac at 106 MPH 'should' be at 12.8 - traction issues easily fixed with better tires. A second in the quarter is 10 car lengths at these levels- not really 'about as fast'.

Nothing at all wrong with being Amish if you were. Hard working people who are mostly honest and mind thier own buisiness.

[reflections at the 10:xx mark...] They are grotesquely overestimating the current demand for EVs. If there was currently that much 'waiting demand' for EVs, on a growing magnitude to render IC sales "Zero by 2026", sales of IC vehicles NOW should be down by a huge magntitude- maybe 50% if I'm to buy into their narrative. But 2017 was another 17 million unit year in the US. Also, 'EV minded people' are forced to replace an existing IC vehicle just as frequently as anyone else; one would think that -besides the Model 3- that other EV and hybrid cars would be selling far better than they do. They don't. "2026" is a laugh riot. They ignore their solid points on 'tech acceptance rate vs. cost' completely and mention EV product without admitting the costs are often DOUBLE the IC versions. "Rivian just brought out" = they showed 2 concepts; they are NOT in production and they are rumored to be well over $60K. Model S seems to be a pretty good car, has super high awareness, been around 6-7 years now, how come it's only moving about 24K units/year?? Could it be the $78K MSRP? Nah, couldn't be. - - - - - RE trucks : "All these other competitors are entering their space" [Rivian, Bollinger, Bison, Workforce]. Rivian's reveal happened hours ago, Workforce has been 'out' for what- 2 years now, still no production/sales on these. Workforce seems to be concentrating on fleet Government sales, not the consumer pickup (via their website/internet news). In July of '17, Bollinger had a one-off hand-built prototype and only SEVEN employees- when -even roughly- are they supposed to 'sock it to' GM & Ford with their SUV? People seem to have a real tough grasp on the time element here, yet they continue to make earth-shattering prediction about near future time. Prius is now 20 years old, the electrification of automotive propulsion is no longer 'news'. Tesla Model 3 "entered the space" in April 2016, it's only had it's promised level of production this month. We still have the comments I made elsewhere here RE inner city EV obstacles- many people park on public streets or live in high rises- there's no infrastructure for them. Ignoring these hard facts puts companies in the grave, and I'm not talking about GM or FoMoCo here. They make some interesting points, but overall it cannot be considered "rational".

C'mon; gyroscopically-balanced electric PortoPods are the next coming thing!!

I now see why Ocnblu is so opposed to electrics...obviously an electric car fornicated with his washer dryer combo and this is the illegitimate spawn of that unholy union. Ummmm....yeah....glad I have my Cannondale. Two wheels and manual everything for the win here.

2030, 11 years from now, I would truly be surprised if EV vehicles were 25% of the market.

Riv, I agree witchoo, one has to be dense to choose an electric vehicle.

Good point, but the Chevy HD, GMC HD, Ford Super Duty, etc are at the price and beyond already..

A circa 2800 lb tube chassis Camaro, ran in the 8's in the quarter.

I'm holding out for one of these, promised in the 1960s (still waiting) :

Yet none of us really know the long range roll out of new auto's. GM could very well have a segment leading Cruze size EV that will beat them all with far less maintenance required, 300 mile range being more than enough for going to and from work and running errands with the convenience of plugging it in at night at home than running down to the dirty smelly gas station, standing out in the cold and rain or heat of the south. GM is killing off auto's that are selling poorly, but we have not seen the full poker hand yet of what EVs they will introduce that can possibly replace them. I believe GM will have like product that are hybrids or pure electric that will more than make up for the loss of these auto's. Right now not killing off the Sonic and Spark is a Smart move to keep them in that segment when the cost of Batteries is still very high and density is not there yet for such a small package. Solid State batteries such as the breakthroughs that have happened this year alone, https://www.carscoops.com/2018/12/honda-announces-fluoride-ion-battery-breakthrough-allow-batteries-10x-energy-density/ So while we have these technologies that are coming, we also still have breakthroughs in traditional battery design also. https://insideevs.com/did-u-of-m-come-up-with-solid-state-battery-breakthrough/ University of Michigan just released their details on how they can build a stabalized Li battery pack that takes only 15% of the normal time to charge. That is a huge decrease in charging times when we know that Li heats up and can explode when charged too fast without proper cooling. Finding a way to reduce charge times on existing batteries till solid state goes into production is great. Way to look at this is a normal EV charging at home in 8hrs now only takes 15% of that time or 1hr 20 min. Skateboard concept Cruze EV that has way more interior room, far less maintenance with recharging you could do from home will sell well to the masses.

Takes too long to replenish. Sameness across all makes and models/complete homogenization. Quick obsolescence. No noise. No soul. No joy. No infrastructure. I could go on and on and on.

I prolly posted this before, but the Mustang racers reminded me of it. That's a Ferrari 2+2 V-12, and it was only ONE QUARTER of ONE SECOND faster than the '65 Catalina 2+2 421 on a 2 minute lap. "The Ferrari lapped faster than the Pontiac by a very small margin. I'd say that this was due to somewhat better handling and a little bit to its brakes, The limited slip was good, but I wouldn't say it was any better. Of course, it didn't have the work to do that the Pontiac's did. I don't think the Ferrari would be quite as good in the rain as the Pontiac, but that's largely because of the disc brakes- disc brakes are generally pretty poor in the rain until they're hot." Ferrari : 3430 lbs, 300 HP 242 CI V12, 415 TRQ, 4-spd manual, 4.25 axle, 1/4 mile: 14.6 @ 97 Pontiac : 4155 lbs, 376 HP 421 CI V8, 461 TRQ, 4-spd manual, 3.42 axle, 1/4 mile: 13.8 @ 106

Is it anti-American to pay your taxes? Instead of paying for an American made product whose company and workers pay US taxes, US wages and comply with US employment laws, you pay a TARIFF to buy a product whose manufacturer pay no US taxes, no US wages and comply with no US laws. I think that's fair. Who is dramatically reducing your choices? You can buy all the imports you want; it just won't cost less than US made stuff. What is not fair is to have US taxes, US wages and US laws which result in that iPhone being $1000 if made in the USA, and at the same time having no tariff so you can buy it for $500 from some Foxconn factory in China which pays no US taxes, no US wages and comply with no US laws! How is that ever going to work anyway? On one hand you want a high standard of wages, benefits and safety for American workers which then causes American made stuff to be more expensive. On the other hand, you want to allow companies to make the same product in another country without the high wages, benefits and safety for a lot less and sell it in the USA with no tariff? No wonder we send over $800 billion -- more than we ever spent on Defense, Education or Infrastructure -- overseas every year more than we bring in! It's time to forget the "Free Trade is Great" nonsense the media and your stupid professors have been selling you for decades, and wake up to Common Sense!

Get a CPO Colorado and save yourself $50,000 for fuel, does all the same Home Depot runs with aplomb. - - - - - I don't hate the front of the Rivian; it's got a geometricality about it, but it's not what one would call beautiful or tough (maybe that's the bulk of my reaction). We'll have to watch the development moving toward certification & production. The shoulder of the Automotive Highway of History are jammed with failed efforts, rusting away with time.

Wife has spent time reading the web site for Rivian and while not a total fan of the Emoji front end, loves the rest of the truck especially the storage section with the doors acting as steps to also get into the bed. She loves the interior and says she would be happy with this as a daily driver and for allowing her to do her gardening and runs to Home Depot. Between now and production, be interesting to see what else comes out.

Yep....product is a problem at Ford and GM. Toyota, honda, Hyundai, Kia, Benz, BMW, VW, Subaru, and others also build cars in the US and are not idling plants en masse. Not saying all GM and Ford products are bad...just that they need to work harder at being competitive. Even though I am the spiritual opposite of Cmicassa here in that I love a lot of foreign cars....I will even go out on a limb for GM. The big problem at GM is the front office, not the design studio or the assembly line. Promote and market what you have GM. GM really does under perform in terms of quality of product and sales. They need marketing. Badly. End of rant.

Obviously I feel the same. Thing is that despite its death, the car is slated to have enuff inventory to go into 2020. I would propose that Cadillac kill all the lower models and only have the mid to platinum models. And for all Cadillacs.. Be done with that rubberized steering wheel cover. Go with the one I have in my V, covered in leather.

Right. When a crew cab Colorado Z71 is the same price or less than a Bolt while being way more versatile, and the Colorado sells at a profit while the Bolt sells at a yuge loss, it should lead us to question how this plan is going to work. Tax breaks are not sustainable to force people to change to the more expensive option. Then you have the problem of standardization of chargers. There needs to be a uniform type of charging apparatus. All these fiefdoms competing with each other simply muddy the waters.

How 'bout never?