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There's a place I'm looking at near work that it's their specialty and it's all they do. They'll do a descaling and then rust proof it. It's $596 and includes underbody and all body insides. They include annual checkups and touchups for 7 years/unlimited miles. One thing I know is an issue with this generation is the brake lines rusting out, so I want them to pay special attention to that. http://www.rustrepairinc.com/ I only had time to get some video last night. I'll take some more pictures this weekend. We're expecting thunderstorms this afternoon, so I doubt I'll be taking any pics today.

"I know of many in my area' = statistically utterly meaningless in a circa 15 million unit volume.

Well, today I ripped out old carpet and pried up old tack strips in my living room. Also cleaned out and organized my garage (thanks for all the hard work and help, Mom.) Then hauled it all to the dump very carefully. It is so handy to own a pickup truck! Oh, and I had professional help with my kitchen sink plumbing. Things are shaping up around this joint... still got a lot to do, as homeowners know, there is always a project or plan. Want to paint the living room and choose new flooring next, too many good choices out there, need to keep to a strict budget. I am thinking hard floors, so I can plug in the leaf blower and go to town, instead of vacuuming.

But the Hyperion XP-1 is a Hydrogen fueled Hyper Super Car. So it fits right in with this Alternative Fuels Random thread.

There are many vehicles in many areas

Nevermind. I really dont give a shyte anymore...

^ Since they aren't in production, 'beating Tesla' means nothing at this point. Interesting design, though.

What's this happy horseshit? You talking about the same GM that made 8 and a half billion in profits in 2019? That GM?

Good Lord, you're gonna need a LOT of lube to make THAT one fit!

Quite confused by this phrase. Are you insulting me? TELL ME DAMMIT. My wet dream does not involve supercars. I think they're an egregious waste of moolah. The Hyperion DOES look like a coked-up Bug. And David (the statue) is correct, the Hyperion is an alt fuel vehicle, and since I am suck a law abiding C&G citizen, I will credit him that fact. *sticks out tongue at olds*

Hard to discount something not currently on sale.

Id like to see @ocnblu try to lecture us in bringing this EV thread BACK from derailment... (like he claims he did with the random thoughts thread...because he is suck a law abiding C&G citizen...) But unlikely... The topic has shifted to gasoline powered hypercars...and THAT is his wet dream right there...

Using your criteria, it's a move down; base F-150 MSRP in '21 is higher than the base Bronco MSRP. No doubt the ATP will be higher on the F-150.

These aren't anywhere near gaudy, like the XP-1.

A-aaaaannd PSA's CUVs will likewise be 'forgettable & generic appliances', but with no brand recognition, sketchy reliability / parts availability, no dealers, and a lingering negative perception. Likely with 'premium' pricing, because ; "European". Good luck.

'supercars' are no different than CUVs. A 100 variants, all done to the same formula. Want to stand out? Build / have something unique built, or go offbeat vintage.

The market is flooded with supercars and hypercars..about the only one I find slightly interesting is Gordon Murray's new one, it's a rather restrained design w/ a minimalist interior w/ center seat and manual transmission, ala his McLaren F-1 25 years ago..but it's another 100-unit, $3 mil garage queen/future museum piece.

The Hyperion XP-1 is gaudy. But not more than any other hypercar from other car makers. It looks like a spaceship. But more than that, it looks like a more modern, more sleeker, yet more coked up (yeah...the drug one snorts through one's nose) version of a Veyron/Chiron. Yes...the Chiron, pictured above, is slightly less gaudi, but that is like saying Motley Crew wore slightly less makeup than KISS. Or that Jon Bon Jovi used less hairspray than Tina Turner in their 1980s heyday... Dont get me wrong...that is but one reason why I dont personally like hypercars myself. Hypercars since the late 1990s to today just aim to be gaudi in design. For whatever reason. I limit myself to Corvettes, Vipers and the less hyper-ish Ferrari models. The ones more in line that compete with Vettes and 911s. (And the Superfast...that car to me is like a 427 1969 Corvette ZL-1) I mean, Corvettes and Vipers are the very definition of ostentatious design and modern Ferraris have abandoned their classical good looks for that gaudiness...but...it is what it is. (just shootin' the syte with ya....bouncing off ideas)

"estimated time" GTFO with that. It's like a 13 mile track with 3000 turns. There's way too many variables to estimate a time like that.

The CLA45 S did the time in 7:48 and seeing as how there was never an official ring time for the last gen CTS-V (2014-19), you cannot even say for certain what the time of a LARGER car (than the CLA) will be. I do know that the 2012 Cameron ZL1 does the time in a faster 7:41 time. Yes, a Chevy spanking Benz but shhhhhh, we don’t talk about that. Point here is, even your hypothetical bar moving doesn’t pass the mustard here. Again, about the Lyric...

They sold the 405 sedan in the US through 1991. Though I don't recall seeing many...I think I saw a few in the early-mid 90s in the Boston area, and then in the late 90s in Denver. And Buick is at a dead end in NA now, just peddling generic CUVs that have nothing special over the generic CUVs sold by Chevy and GMC..

If it can carry the space shuttle, then it can carry this

Well... French-ness has never really been a very successful selling point in ANY market in ANY era EXCEPT for France. And maybe for a couple of African French colonial settled countries. Some weirdo, hippy, hipster folk from California, Washington and Oregon might buy a few samples, I guess...but then again, if these are not EVs, I don't think even residents of the Pacific Northwest will be interested in PSA. They will have some sales. The first year adopters will flock to them. But sales will dwindle. They only Europeans cars Americans love buying is German. And even then, VW goes up and down... I think French cars will be a hard sell in the US and in Canada. I wish them luck, but I don't sees it. No matter what they do styling wise. I just hope they keep Dodge doing what Dodge does best. I hope they let Chrysler survive. I think, the BEST way PSA has in surviving in the US, is that that let their American brands (Dodge (and RAM), Chrysler and Jeep do what Dodge (RAM incl), Chrysler and Jeep does best. And that is be AMERICAN. And what does THAT mean? Everytime Chryco was in the dumps, Chryco reinvents itself with good ol fashioned Americana... K Car and the minivan and all other minivans after that. Viper Cab Forward, pure American styling Concord, LHS, 300M, Intrepid Prowler (styling using CAD etc... and technological advancements) PT Cruiser (MASSIVE success in the first 3-4 years) Durango 300C/Challenger/Challenger Everything Jeep since the Renault/AMC days Everything RAM since the late 1970s

I think the only way they can have any hope is to play up the French ness and embrace the weird, with some Citroen and DS models. The NA market is already crowded with forgettable CUV appliances from NA and Asian brands.

The Lucid sedan, is a nice, almost sexy design. The Tesla Model S was a sexy design, like Balthy said, 9 years ago. So was the Karma. 9 years ago. I look at the Karma now and all I sees is a decades old car. Still sexy. But not fresh. The Model S is a good looking car to this day. But it needs a NEW design. The Lucid it seems, is that all new, sexy electric car design that is needed to propel EV sedans into 2020 and beyond. The Porsche EV too, is a very very sleek and awesome design. It seems that Lucid, with those solid state batteries, will propel EV vehicles forward and commence a battery tech war. Tesla will reveal theirs as well. Eventually GM and Porsche and VW and the rest. But Tesla needs to address their now, stale designs.

IMO the Tesla Model S (and to a lesser extent- the 3) are good/fine looking sedans, they're just dated at this point. Problem as I see it for Tesla is they have no design direction; it's been nine years of a 'one-trick pony', stylistically.

My direct next door neighbor is Romanian (Moldova) new to Canada. Has moved here about 15 years ago. He and his wife married in Moldova and moved to Montreal when their (only) son was 2 years old. (Hold still please...there is a point to the story...) We have been great neighbors to each other for 11 years now. We both bought our houses new at the same time. (just a little bit longer, this back story IS important, I promise) OK...when we first started talking to each other, we introduced ourselves, our backround, etc... We INSTANTLY connected because of our European and religious background. Greek Orthodox... And...well, Romanians although closer ethnically to Romans (Italians and the Roman Empire and hence Romanians as their name), culturally they more identify with Greece and of course our shared religion. (That might not have been necessary, sorry, but I like telling stories...) OK...the thing is, him being European, American cars get a bad bad rap. He never once saw an American car BEFORE moving to Canada, he didnt even know that Opel was a General Motors brand... but that never stopped him in having a negative opinion on American cars... When he needed to replace his old used Honda Civic he bought when he first came to Canada, and the Civic wasnt even THAT old 10 years ago, he asked me for car advice. This is where I found out his opinions on American cars. We talked for a good 3 days on the subject in a row. Anyway...long story short, less long, he took my advice and bought a 2010 Chevrolet Equinox. He was impressed with it. He tried all other CUVs of that time but the Equinox was the one he like the best. He and his wife liked GM so much that 6 months later, he bought a Chevrolet Cruze. Well, he still has those cars. The Cruze has very low mileage while the Equinox has 175 000 trouble free miles. He just bought a new vehicle. He is keept the Equinox for his son. as his son is reaching driving age... Anyway...he bought a 2020... Cadillac XT5. He thanked me for making him keep an open mind regarding American cars. he told me all other CUVs in that price range, and like the Equinox, he was most impressed with the Cadillac... Now...4 things. 1. In a perfect world, yes, GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Mercedes etc..., would like for repeat business and it does happen 2. But In 2020, with more and more people leasing and all kinds of competition around with every year, NEW generations of vehicles come out practically with all this competition around, its very hard for brand loyalty to exist. We are a loooong way out from the 1950s and 1960s... repeat business and moving on up is NOT the norm. Its not a question of Chevrolet or Honda NOT doing their job if in 10 years time, an owner does NOT buy a Buick or Acura and moves unto something else... There are tooooo many choices out there for people to pass up on... 3. When one has an open mind, one actually sees that American cars, and especially GM, have been making at the very least, cars that are on par with foreign competition, if not better. My neighbor, didnt buy an American car because I told him to. I told him to go out and shop around. He did. He bought what was best for him, his family and his pocket. All three times in the last 10 years with good advice from his unbiased neighbor. I didnt tell him American cars are good. I told him American cars WERE good at one time. Then American cars got shyte. But no different from European cars. But then I told him...and this was DURING and RIGHT AFTER GM's bankruptcy, that GM is no longer the stereotypical GM of where he got his negative opinions from. Remember, the Cruze and the Equinox of the time were products DIRECTLY resulting BEFORE and DURING this crisis... The XT5 also...to a degree... He told me about his Cadillac purchase, that he has talked to other BMW and Mercedes owners... Lexus owners. He didnt ask me about how I feel about today's Cadillac. He talked to other people... He didnt tell me what those other folks told him about their Bimmers and Mercedes and Lexus... He just told me he crossed shopped the Caddy and like the Caddy best. And BECAUSE he had such a pleasant ownership time with those Chevys, he decided to stay with the GM family... I had a pleasant ownership time with my 2005 Chevy. I JUMPED ship 4 times removed from GM since 2005. I bought a 2007 Ford for my wife. I replaced that with a 2009 Mazda. And I replaced that with a 2013 Ford. Its too early to tell what vehicle my lovely lady wants next... And I myself DIRECTLY replaced my Chevy with an Acura. When time comes to replace either current vehicle, we wont be necessarily staying with the same family, nor jumping ship. Meaning, its not how you said it, the brands NOT doing their job for keeping brand royalty. Its more about shopping around. Its the SMARTEST thing to do. There are many facets to my anecdotal story. I hope someone could benefit from it. If not....a waste of time it may be. So be it...

We always pronounced it 'Pig-Knot'.

Sure they move up within a brand. Escalade buyers never owned a Cadillac before? Impala or Equinox don’t pull buyers from Cobalt, Cruze or Malibu? If any brand is letting all those 3 year lease return customers go out the door instead of moving them up through the brand or at least keeping them in brand, they are not doing their job.

Consumers do not 'move up' thru an existing brand, but perhaps they do within a corporation.

@ykX

I didn't realize it was $80,000. I thought the number was lower. I knew or heard they were losing money on the lower trimmed ones but $80,000 isn't too low of a trim/package. Didn't they just release 2021 pricing and it didn't change at all? I'll have to check that. https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/jul/0708-2021-corvette.html#:~:text=DETROIT — Corvette has always represented,and %2467%2C495 for the convertible. "DETROIT — Corvette has always represented iconic American design, performance, technical ingenuity and attainability. The 2021 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray retains carryover pricing – the same as the introductory model – with MSRP starting at $59,995 for the coupe and $67,495 for the convertible. Both models include destination freight charge."

https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/gm-loses-on-base-corvette/#:~:text=A source from GM has,increases in the following years. "A source from GM has talked to Motor Trend about an interesting revelation; GM will continue to lose money on every all-new Chevrolet Corvette they sell under $80,000. The source also confirmed that the price of the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette would rise by 2021, with rumored additional increases in the following years."

That's one gaudy Hyperion XP-1. I certainly do not think the Lucid looks better but it'll probably be a better vehicle, as it should because it's like 10 years newer.

Exciting future product if they do make it to production.

Nice write-up as usual @William Maley, found some great pics with good detail as well. This Lyriq looks pretty sleek. I like how it's keeping the Cadillac family design cues but stretching it some. The iconic long vertical LED light piping in front that will now function as headlamps are still slick, but also very evident so you know it's a Caddy coming at you or going down the road. I'm not crazy about the greenhouse of this pre production model with the sloped back-end, definitely needs a more upright look to it and the actual production model will most likely have more of it for interior headroom and general space. It's comical to me how an uninformed individual on here gets into bringing up the POS FWD based Merc CLA trying to compare it to a CTS-V (hilarious I won't even go there) or a CT5, the CLA is a garbage economy car, ask anyone who's owned one. CLA is nowhere close to what a CT5 is as a RWD based sedan with a much better built chassis. I drove a white 2020 CT5 with the Premium Luxury trim for the day a couple of weeks ago. The CT5 with the 3.0TT is very quick with a very quiet interior and refined ride that was firm in Sport mode, but not harsh and smooth in Tour mode. The 10 spd is butter smooth with crisp shifts as well (love the GM 10 spd in every vehicle I've driven with it, they nailed it), the 3.0TT V6 with the PL trim or V-Series is where it's at. Blackwing CT4 and 5 are going to be mean machines! Can't wait.

I saw one of these and thought I could use one: You don't want one, eh? Graduate of Wazza Matta U?

The new Elantra is just around the bend and it stylistically follows in the footsteps of the new Sonata. That's a thumbs down. It looks like they're trying to reinvent their design vocabulary and niche. The exterior views are consistent but the interior views are not. I've seen two renditions of their interiors and dashboards. One is better than the other. I see the Accent going away. Too bad. The Accent is being discontinued for the Canadian market. I'm not sure if we (the U.S.A.) are included in this. There are very few of them on the lots, while Elantras, the current one, are plentiful. I surprisingly enjoyed how nicely two rentals drove and sipped fuel. The only heartburn I have is that it went from a 6-speed automatic to a CVT. Yep, CVTs and "laptop left open" infotainment centers give me heartburn.

I'm part of the way with you on this. I do not get the appeal of Krispy Kreme at all. It's their glazing and slickness that I don't like. I only go during National Donut Day or if someone else really wants to go. I much prefer Dunkin Donuts because their donuts are "normal" in consistency, frosting, etc. So are the donuts of some indie shops. A good croissant does trump a donut, either filled with jam or turned into a small sandwich.

It's 1.7 inches shorter, not "3" [195.5" vs 193.8"]. Numbers. Of course, in this context you are correct : neither 1.7", nor the fictitious 3", makes a difference. So why bring up the stat? CT5-V goes all the way to $70K, and the Blackwing hasn't even been released yet. As discussed, base MSRP is meaningless. Cadillac literally doesn't build any cars at base MSRP. Regardless, the point, which seems to blow by you like dandelion fluff at 60 MPH, is that that Cadillac which you claim was canceled, WASN'T. It's right here :

Whoa, glad to see you back Drew! Aaaaand congrats on the purchase!

They said all Cadillacs will be EV eventually and all EV Cadillac's will have an "iq" name, so I guess CT, XT will all be replaced. Not sure how they fit Escalade in that. Which is why these naming conventions are dumb and they should go back to names. Eldorado sounds a hell of a lot better tan Soniq, or Boutiq or Magnifiq, or whatever lame name they give to the electric sedan they make. Also this Cadillac trying to be urban and techy to appeal to millennials on the coasts or to build Nurburring corner carvers isn't working. Americans who buy Cadillacs want roomy cars, Cadillac built cramped interior ATS and CTS and scared them off, and they attracted zero German car snobs in the process. Roomy, comfortable ride, quiet, torquey should be the pillars of Cadillac.

@ocnblu Got it. 3G is the first two digits of the VIN. 3 is country code Mexico and G is for GM. So it was a Mexican built GM and there were only two of those on the list, the Avalanche and the EXT. While I wouldn't have said no to an EXT, an Avalanche popped up that I couldn't NOT buy. So, I have bought what is likely the lowest mileage 2013 Avalanche in the country. All the paperwork and loan has been finalized, I just have to pick it up on Wednesday. It's a Blue Topaz 2013 LTZ Black Diamond with only 12,800 miles on the clock. I paid $32,990 and Carvana gave me $8,100 for the Cruze. It checks all my boxes for heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, remote start. The only thing is doesn't have that I would have liked is a sunroof, but for such a museum piece, I will survive without it.

Happened to see this today, thought of the Lyriq :

You mean like the show car for production ELR or the show car for production XTS? I’m not worried. You’re sight impaired.

Blazer : Lyriq : ? ? ? ? ? Dated, dowdy & spartan when new, dead in 2022 :

Without hesitation! - - - - - Articles like this make me sad, just like the elimination of Olds and Pontiac made me sad. Olds and Pontiacs were selling like hot cakes when I was a kid. And this was in import-crazed SoCal. Now this. It appears to be official. Boeing will be pulling the plug on 747 production in 2022. This plane aged like a fine wine, with each variant getting better. I've had the opportunity to fly on the 747-8i once and it's a feast for the senses. Just like the last and possibly best version of the 767, the 400-ER, for which Boeing did not get many orders, Boeing has not gotten many orders for the "8." Most of the orders have been in freighter, not pax, form. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/after-a-historic-run-it-s-game-over-for-pioneering-boeing-747/ar-BB17kOay?ocid=msedgdhp At phase out, the jumbo, or "queen of the skies," will have been flying for 52 or 53 years, depending on whether you count the test flight (1969) or introduction into commercial service (1970). Whether in real life, in photos, or in videos, it's always been a beauty, and I'm certainly not in a minority of nerds who love this aircraft. Many people the world over do.