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Changed back to the all seasons a couple weeks ago. Out about 4,000 miles on last year. Just about at 15,000 on the odo. Despite the strong 2.0, I think it would have been nice to have a v6 option in this car. still agree with one of my own earlier comments. This car on a larger chassis would really more fully realize the concept. Still, enjoying the ride. Another young German car fan gave me the cool car chat when I was getting the tires changed over. ‘Cool wagon, I love those!’

UPDATE : order status now at 4150, vehicle is invoiced and has left the plant - it's at the transport company's holding lot. It made that trip on 4/11, so it was built sometime between 4/5 and 4/10. Supposed expected delivery at dealer is 5/13. God this is taking forever. On the flip, I read there are locator services willing to pay $3 grand over MSRP to buy new trucks, inventory demand is that crazy. ?

Most Tacoma and Colorado owners carry their bikes same way, difference is you can fit couple bikes instead of one. Diesel? First of all diesel is as expensive, secondary according to fuelly, for diesel: I would be interested to upgrade if they make maybe this little guy as a hybrid or even EV so I get a serious jump in fuel economy.

Speaking of GM CUV quarter windows, I recall sitting in a Terrain at the auto show last year, the quarter window was but a small rectangle, reminded me of an opera window on a '70s personal luxury coupe. With the thick pillars and small quarter windows on any modern CUV or SUV, a back up camera and large side mirrors are quite useful. Though in my Jeep, I still find myself doing the over the right shoulder look back when merging on one local freeway where a ramp from another freeway merges from the left and I have to immediately cross 3 lanes to traffic to get to my exit. Terrain:

My personal issue with the bed length is the total volume it can or cannot carry. I will certainly need it to be able to carry "a yard" of materials like top soil or rock. I'm less concerned about the total payload, I'm not afraid to surpass that every once in awhile as I'd be conscious of it and drive accordingly. You're not the only one. I'm almost certain Hyundai has said that about this pickup. They're not competing with larger trucks for sales as much as similarly sized SUVs where somebody would benefit from having a bed or prefer the looks of a truck.

Simple solution that I implemented on my wife's SUV - all weather rubber cargo mat. I use my wife's crossover often for Home Depot duty and of course it gets dirty, so I only need to wash the rubber mat and it is all good. No need to overcomplicate things. Sometimes things don't fit inside and open bed will be more useful. For me personally, I do mountain biking and if I can just throw a bike in a bed instead of taking on and than removing bike hitch that would be a huge convenience. But due to my long commute, truck even a compact, would kill me on fuel costs.

Actually, I had a falafel wrap and fries from down the street last night. It was just last year I tossed the ignition key I had pulled from the dash of a black/pink/purple '56 Dodge Royal 2-dr in the same junkyard in that same timespan, it was parked about a 3rd of the way up the same row.

Camping, tailgating, over landing, and all the other “active lifestyle” stuff is what the appeal is with the Santa Cruz.

Yard projects: • One shouldn't be trying to transport -say- 4x4-8' timbers in a 4-ft long bed. • If you're getting bagged mulch, it's no problem to stack that in the back of a SUV with a piece of tarp or a blanket down. • Buying 6-8' trees is certainly uncommon, but either : grab a rental truck for $20, call a friend or see if you can lean it out the hatch window. • A boxed lawn mower or snow thrower will fit in just about any SUV. Not seeing much else in the 'yard department' that a 4-ft bed pickup can handle and a SUV can't. Large appliances (fridge, water heater) can be laid down in the back of a SUV. IMO, a 4-ft bed pickup isn't competing with a mid-sized pickup, it's competing (in terms of cargo capacity / usage) with a similar-sized SUV. While some consumer may well prefer a pickup 'just because', it's not as versatile and I don't expect it to upset the segment or become a huge seller.

Look at some of these moves and vibes that you just don't see any more. Things go better with Soul Train! A great chapter of Americana.

Sounds like Florida Man has competition from Arizona Man. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/19/tire-slasher-severed-finger/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi5hb2wuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHzMi2wUT6KgcDo3NIyYGv0qlF96qoOy0uo2vwzWgS1dbZMEqIgD37BlAnnufs_Tt5nvo6JNsqHxWc74nRK0cn8ltsZWb-dZQEn-aM-D5pOAhzNJ77uTpQYq8o-2hdeOCVBj4DztU5wL0YXg0g3TQW1Ww1HeTbNUWAeSWMVSQItI

In my wife's Malibu, we have a couple of those heavy cardboard 'flats'; around 18" x 24", helps when you go shopping to keep things from a-rollin' / shopping where they have no bags (Costco). Or, you could fashion a 'U' shaped barrier the width of the interior, to retain items from rolling out. Only needs to be about 3" high at the rear.

I have a hitch bike rack as well. But I don't leave them on the car all the time because they are cumbersome, in a way and car don't fit in the garage with it. When you come from work in the evening and want to go for a quick ride, it is way easier to just to drop the bike in a bed than to put bike rack on and than take it off.

Back when I was into bicycling, I used a hitch mount bike rack on my WJ GC. Worked great.

Pics from my sons hiking trip...girl is just a hiking buddy, not his girlfriend.

So as those that have been around a long time, I used to have a truck, still have my suburban and miss the truck. Wife wants it for her gardening. I have fitted much into my suburban from loads of sheetrock, protected from the rain to lumber. Love the almost 5ft wide interior and with second row seats down and third row bench seat removed, that is 10 feet long space which works for many things, but smells do linger inside an SUV. Why did I get rid of the truck, simple, the kids grew up, the niece needed a truck for her husband and the wife was wanting a mid size suv awd as at the time she was in college. So gave the truck to the relative, solid little Dodge Dakota and got the SS. No regrets, but ready for a crewcab pickup truck with a bed liner for easy wash out. Both Hummer and Rivian are at the top of the list. Will see what I end up getting in the future. Eventually the Escalade will get retired and a full size EV SUV will replace it. Trucks like this Hyundai Santa Cruz Activity Life Style truck will become very common as I see the bulk of society having an SUV/CUV and an Activity Truck to meet their needs.

Makes sense on the Acadia as that section is so big, they really need a window there. Agree that the Envision also should have a window too, crazy that we are removing the shoulder checks for the corner of the auto due to lack of windows to ensure roll over protection is there for the roof not crushing down.

It is a looker. I would be interested to see some shots in the open hatch, with the rear seat up & down.

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And READ my post. *On one hand you say and SUV like your friends Infiniti is perfectly fine for hauling stuff because all you need is a tarp and a vacuum. *On the other hand you say that this cannot be done with a Suburban for a different set of reasons. If you don't the issue I have here, then perhaps we need to move on from this because we are not going to see eye to eye here if you don't that issue. Again, vehicles like the Hyundai Santa Cruz do have multiple uses for multiple types of people. You just happen to not be one of them but you were never interested to begin with. I, on the other hand, am very interested in it and that bed length is the LEAST of my worries.

For shit like that I'd hire a landscaper, who would haul such content in a dump truck or trailer.

You going to hand-shovel a ton & a half of wet stone into the back of a Suburban, trying to tarp the carpeted bottom & plastic sides of the interior to keep it from getting torn apart? Really? Re-read my post- people don't put LOOSE material of any considerable volume in a vehicle like a Suburban. Is it physically possible? Sure - but does it happen? But a lawn mower or a potted shrub or a few bags of mulch- a roofed SUV could handle as well as a 4-ft bed trucklette. The overlap in cargo capability of a 4-ft bed and a mid-size SUV is a LOT more than between a Suburban and a full-size pickup.

• IDK... my friend with the Infinity doesn't have to "hose out" or vacuum it whenever he hauls something around. Mulch is bagged at the HomeDepot, not loose- why are people vacuuming up after bagged items? A few pieces drop off, you shake off the blanket (or tip out the cargo liner), fold it up & you're done. It's not a major calamity. Same with the 'spilled fuel' (don't you have an electric snow thrower yet?? ) - how is that readily happening? • Full-size SUV's (say; a Suburban) has the interior length, but there are a number of things I mentioned earlier that it's not well suited for. Loose material is one, dumped material is another, actual dirt (for the 'dirty' aspect), leaking/significantly odiferous material, and anything involving -say- demo'd building materials studded with nails or vastly-irregular pieces - these pose actual damage hazards to the interior, whereas a lined pick-up bed can carry extreme lengths, dirt, garbage, stone, 90 cubic feet of brush/grass clippings, mouse-contaminated goods, propane tanks, etc etc. I would not peg the capability of an enclosed SUV vs. a pickup at anywhere "98% overlap". Maybe 70%. SUVs do offer 2 considerable aspects over pickups: security and weather protection. But this discussion (full-size pickups vs. full-size SUVs) seems to be another discussion. • The whole pitch about leaving the tailgate open is a rubber crutch for a 4-ft bed, no two ways around it. "Ledges", please. If dropping the gate means a 4-ft bed is practically a 6-ft bed, then the 6-ft bed is now practically an 8-ft bed and the 2 no longer compete.

-So we are back to pick ups, not SUVs? I say that because you sure are not hauling 4x8 plywood in most if not any SUV. BTW, with the tail gate down, the Santa Cruz gains two more feet back there, putting it pretty close to a short bed full size pick up. From an article regarding the tailgate. "The bed is also 4 feet wide, designed specifically to be wide enough to carry home sheets of plywood from the big box store. That plywood rests on molded-in ledges above the wheelwells, and the tailgate can be adjusted to a half-open position level with the ledges to support the end of the plywood hanging out the back." Making it pretty damn useful for 95% of the population. -Oh sure. Take the plastic tarp in and out when ever you think you'll need it while still having to vacuum your SUV of the dirt that will still find its way to other parts of said car (to say NOTHING of the smell of said mulch). Now, I throw few hundred pounds in the back of the Santa Fe and all I have to do afterwards is hose it down. Sorry but you can't tout pick ups on one hand and then $h! on them with the other when bringing up SUVs. -And you go right on ahead and lay that fridge down in any SUV and wait 24-48 hours before you can plug in said fridge because of the freon. Me? I prefer to bring it home and plug it right away. Again, you are picking and choosing between full size pick ups and SUVs whenever it suits your argument. To a point, a full size SUV can do 98% of the stuff your HD can do yet we are not on here touting it over the other because the HD suits YOUR needs. See the problem her yet? BTW, don't even have to fold the handles down on the lawn mower or the snow blower to get it in the car or SUV and I don't have to worry about fuel/fluid spillage INSIDE may car or SUV. -And of course its not competing with mid-size pick ups because it is not one itself. Not sure what argument you're trying to make here. One last thing. Two weeks ago, I picked up a used duo grill (gas and charcoal) that was fully put together. As such, it was not going to fit inside my Flex without damaging the inside walls of the car (even with a tarp). Instead, I had to borrow a trailer to haul it. Now, if I had the Hyundai, it would have fit perfectly in the back standing upright, no fuss and no trailer or tarp needed. You have to stop seeing it like there isn't a use for one of these just because you wouldn't have a use for one.

mid-'80s : I can remember one of these in my favorite junkyard haunt, esp that peaked center section of the decklid. It was a '67 Fury 4-dr, very dark blue, and someone had painted (very well) 'BUILT TO' and 'BOOGIE' in the large flats to either side of that peaked center. It was at the end of one of the 2 rows the arrows point to, nose facing 'south'. Now ask me what I had for dinner last night.

Princeton MN 1929 ~

I like those old plates....too many modern plates are so bland. I like the old white on red Arizona plates,the white on green Colorado plates, and various past California plates. I still have a couple sets of the white on green Colorado plates from the late 90s before they reversed the colors. This '76 Buick looks good w/ the yellow NY plates.

So if I go pick up a five or six foot tall tree from Home Depot, I can just stand it up in that same SUV right? No I can’t hence why something like the Hyundai is more useful than you think. Again, bed length is irrelevant if we are talking about the height of certain things that get hauled. Cargo room in an SUV is irrelevant when you are talking about things that are clearly too tall for it. What if I need to pick up a refrigerator? That old Infiniti sure as hell can’t get involved at that point. The Hyundai could though so maybe stop focusing on that bed length like it is the be all to end all because it isn’t. By your SUV logic, a Suburban could do 97% of that work (seats down and all) so why does anyone need a pick up to begin with?

And for $58K, I'll just a get loaded full size truck that can actually tow without fear of death (read about the towing reviews and issues with the Gladiator). That is just absurd money for that.

What I was really going to say: I LIKE this new New York license plate ... simpler, picks up Western New York out to the eastern tip of Long Island (Montauk Point light), and the Adirondacks in between. But the lighthouse at the right does look a little cheesy. Some people in various states get knotted up when they are proposing a new license plate and they focus on one natural or urban feature and ignore the rest of the state. But, man, the old orange and black New York license plate on a black limousine or gangstah car with tinted windows really fit the bill.

You guys will probably hit up Amazon after reading this. 2018's "Now That's What I Call Dad Rock" 1. “We Will Rock You” – Queen 2. “Start Me Up” – The Rolling Stones 3. “With Or Without You” – U2 4. “Livin’ On A Prayer” – Bon Jovi 5. “Radioactive” – Imagine Dragons 6. “Mr. Brightside” – The Killers 7. “Dakota” – Stereophonics 8 “Take Me To Church” – Hozier 9. “Rockstar” – Nickelback 10. “Sweet Home Alabama” – Lynyrd Skynyrd 11. “More Than A Feeling” – Boston 12. “(Don’t Fear) The Reaper’ – Blue Oyster Cult 13. “Bat Out Of Hell” – Meat Loaf 14. “Ace Of Spades” – Motörhead 15. “Should I Stay Or Should I Go” – The Clash 16. “The Jam” – Town Called Malice 17. “Two Princes” – Spin Doctors 18. “She’s So Lovely” – Scouting For Girls 19. “Chelsea Dagger” – The Fratellis 20. “Rocks” – Primal Scream 21. “Africa” – Toto 22. “Don’t You (Forget About Me)” – Simple Minds 23. There She Goes – The La’s 24. “I Wanna Be Adored” – The Stone Roses 25. “Everybody’s Changing” – Keane 26. “How To Save A Life” – The Fray 27. “Hold Back The River’ – James Bay 28. “Ho Hey” – The Lumineers 29. “All Right Now” – Free 30. “Smoke On The Water” – Deep Purple 31. “Search And Destroy” – Iggy & The Stooges 32. “Are You Gonna Go My Way” – Lenny Kravitz 33. “Walk This Way” – RUN-DMC feat. Aerosmith 34. “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party)” – The Beastie Boys 35. “Stacy’s Mom” – Fountains Of Wayne 36. “Buck Rogers” – Feeder 37. “All The Small Things” – blink-182 38. “Crazy Crazy Nights” – Kiss 39. “Addicted To Love” – Robert Palmer 40. “The Final Countdown” – Europe 41. “Teenage Dirtbag” – Wheatus 42. “Kids” – MGMT 43. “In Too Deep” – Sum 41 44. “America” – Razorlight 45. “Complicated” – Avril Lavigne 46. “Torn” – Natalie Imbruglia 47. “The Sound” – The 1975 48. “Pompeii” – Bastille 49. “Naive” – The Kooks 50. “Breakfast At Tiffany’s” – Deep Blue Something 51. “You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet” – Bachman – Turner Overdrive 52. “I Shot The Sheriff” – Eric Clapton 53. “Can’t Fight This Feeling” – REO Speedwagon 54. “Maggie May” – Rod Stewart 55. “Sharp Dressed Man” – ZZ Top 56. “Born To Be Wild” – Steppenwolf 57. “Here I Go Again ‘87” – Whitesnake 58. “Eye Of The Tiger” – Survivor 59. “Love Is The Drug” – Roxy Music Me; I'm reaching for a hammer. I can listen to about 5 of those, but I don't want to listen to any.

I inherited many 33s from my mom. All Greek music. Some real old stuff. I bought an ION one maybe 15 years ago and I just installed it about a month ago. I am planning to transfer them unto a digital device whether its my computer or whatever. Ive been saying Ill be transferring them for...15 years now. I took it out of the box a month ago... I know it works... Maybe in another 15 years Ill actually get around to doing it and Ill visit this very thread and tell you folk how it went...

I like the song. Cant really explain why. I dont really like the '60s original. I guess its the catchy '80s pop twist about it that makes me like it now...and especially back then. I wasnt too keen about admitting to liking this song then. Problem is...30 years later and she STILL cant sing for shyte. Still prefer the '80s version. But Im not so embarrassed to admit I like it now! (Or maybe I still should be?) At 48 years old...and she is NO Tina Turner... Tina can sing and she's a FOX!