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    Geneva 2019: Mercedes-Benz EQV Concept

      A concept electric van with a 249 mile range.

    Mercedes-Benz unveiled the EQV Concept at the Geneva International Auto Show today.  The concept features a 100 kWh battery that enables the van to travel up to 249 miles (400 km) on a single charge.  Rapid charging functionality enables 62 miles of range in just 15 minutes.

    The concept utilizes a front drivetrain with 201 hp electric motor.  The motor, transmission, cooling system and power electronics come together in a compact integral unit.  The battery is placed under the load floor and takes up no room in the passenger compartment.

    While this is a concept, Mercedes says that a production version of this van will come to market. No word yet on when that will be, though the word "soon" was used.

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    3 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Very cool, sharp looking EV van. I hate the floating LCD screen. Interior color combo is nice.

    Was wondering how you would balance your hatred for Benz with your EV drooling.  Now I see.

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    3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Was wondering how you would balance your hatred for Benz with your EV drooling.  Now I see.

    I can always respect a proper EV auto. Just cause it has a 3 point star and I would not buy it does not mean I cannot respect the engineering effort that went into it.

    GM / Ford / RAM would benefit from doing the same thing. EV vans that can be used for delivery / service work in the inner city will be a big win for companies by reducing service costs / fuel costs / noise and cleaner air for the City Dwellers.

    Still love ya Blu, keep me on my toes in Explaining why the Dark Side has better Cookies and you will join me young Padawan! :D 

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    This EQV concept looks a lot like today's MB Sprinter 2500 externally.

    I agree that GM and Ford and RAM must put out their EV alternatives to this small EV van as soon as possible.  No need to lose relatively easy fleet sales to MB.  Besides, we all need clean air, not just big cities like Los Angeles.

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    6 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I can always respect a proper EV auto. Just cause it has a 3 point star and I would not buy it does not mean I cannot respect the engineering effort that went into it.

    GM / Ford / RAM would benefit from doing the same thing. EV vans that can be used for delivery / service work in the inner city will be a big win for companies by reducing service costs / fuel costs / noise and cleaner air for the City Dwellers.

    Still love ya Blu, keep me on my toes in Explaining why the Dark Side has better Cookies and you will join me young Padawan! :D 

    Question:  why spend the money if there is no customer demand for more expensive, less useful work vans?

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    33 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    Question:  why spend the money if there is no customer demand for more expensive, less useful work vans?

    The EQV at least is geared more towards VIP transportation rather than  plumbers. Though City based plumbers aren't going to be traveling 249+ miles in a day usually.

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    I could see this being used for airport shuttles...the 'minibus' passenger version of the Sprinter is used for that in various countries in Europe (ridden in them), those would probably rack up a lot of miles. 

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    expensive to buy, but cheap to run... especially in countries with high fuel costs.   These would make great hotel shuttles that only depart every hour and then sit at the hotel for half an hour. they can charge while they're waiting for the next run. 

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Question:  why spend the money if there is no customer demand for more expensive, less useful work vans?

    You ASSUME there is no demand. Yet when people complain about noise in the inner city, open header motorcycles, diesel auto's, noise, smell, etc. People are wanting quieter options, cleaner air. 

    So you are making an ASSUMPTION that people do not want this? How do you know what millions of people living in cities want?

    Seattle has a noise code that attempts to address this: http://www.seattle.gov/sdci/codes/codes-we-enforce-(a-z)/noise-code

    Clearly our neighborhoods are asking for a change to noise and air pollution such as Beacon hill: https://www.knkx.org/post/environmental-justice-seattle-s-beacon-hill-addressing-air-and-noise-pollution or https://iexaminer.org/environmental-injustice-the-air-and-noise-pollution-threatening-the-health-of-beacon-hill/

    To quote from the iexaminer story above: Both air and noise pollution are associated with health risks. Long-term exposure to certain air pollutants is associated with heart disease and childhood asthma, according to Tim Larson, a professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the UW.

    Here is a science research done from 2000 to 2008 that shows both air and noise pollution increase the risk of heart attack especially in densly populated cities. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181024112244.htm

    The SCIENCE supports that less noise and cleaner air is good for everyone both inside the city and outside of it.

    This on top of a vehicle that is quiet, less maintenance, less cost of fueling in a form factor such as this EV is desired even as you hate them, many love the option. This is a perfect representation of capitalism as another auto option that you can ignore and have a right to do and others will support.

    While use as an airport taxi or executive transport, I expect this electric van to also grab market share among service providers that will love the lower cost of operation and the stealth approach to delivering at all hours without bothering others.

    Electric Vans will be perfect for Amazon Prime 24/7 delivery in neighborhoods to inner cities.

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    China has massive pollution problems, it is only a matter of time before they ban gas engine vehicles in certain cities to control that.  China is Mercedes 2nd largest market after the EU (who might also ban ICE vehicles in some places come 2030), so they are getting ready.

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    10 hours ago, dfelt said:

    You ASSUME there is demand. Yet when people complain about noise in the inner city, open header motorcycles, diesel auto's, noise, smell, etc. People are wanting quieter options, cleaner air. 

    You ASSUME there are droves city dwellers who complain about AUTOMOTIVE noise and a heightened sense of "air pollution".

    18 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Ford has or will shortly intro PHEV Transit & Transit Connect vans. Seems to me hybrid vans make a bit more sense than pure EVs for all-day delivery service.
     

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    The van pictured is a Transit Custom, sized between the Transit Connect and the Transit.  It is currently not sold in America.

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    12 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The EQV at least is geared more towards VIP transportation rather than  plumbers. Though City based plumbers aren't going to be traveling 249+ miles in a day usually.

    I was asking why any OEM would spend the money to develop a work van that is much higher priced, and hamstrung by electric propulsion.

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    28 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    You ASSUME there are droves city dwellers who complain about AUTOMOTIVE noise and a heightened sense of "air pollution".

     

     

    There are!

    This is why muscle cars dont sound like this anymore...

     

    But they are subdued like this

     

    with almost double the horsepower...

    And about the air pollution thing...

     

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    This is why muscle cars don't sound like this anymore...


    They didn't sound like that new either - that's aftermarket exhaust, sounds like FlowMasters (founded in the '80s for sprint cars). Also available for the Hellcat, BTW. ;)
    Check the comments for the Challenger video... see how many are complaining.
     

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    They didn't sound like that new either - that's aftermarket exhaust, sounds like FlowMasters (founded in the '80s for sprint cars). Also available for the Hellcat, BTW. ;)
    Check the comments for the Challenger video... see how many are complaining.
     


    Always with the semantics...

    You very well know that noise pollution laws took in effect sometime in the 1970s regarding loud engine exhaust noises.

    So much so...that even AFTERMARKET exhausts even for classic cars cannot exceed a certain amount of decibels...which I am tooo lazy to google...yet, the jist of those videos was exactly that...

    A modern Hellcat cannot, will not pass noise pollution laws leaving the factory loud...

    In the 1960s, there was an option for muffler delete on your factory optioned big block muscle car, therefore, that 1970 Challenger would definitely leave the factory being that loud and although that Hellcat may have an aftermarket exhaust...its still subdued...

    And hence this video Im about to post

     

     

    But if the cops catch you with that bypass open, you get a fine...

    There is a reason for such laws to have been passed, because there were people complaining...

    Therefore...my original post still stands true....and yours...not so much 😯

     

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    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    I was asking why any OEM would spend the money to develop a work van that is much higher priced, and hamstrung by electric propulsion.

    Because most of the work is already being done for their other EV pursuits and why not make an option for customers who have a very specific use profile. This isn't going to be the answer for every Joe the Plumber out there, but there is a market for it for local delivery, hotel shuttles, and similar. They already have the body shell, they already have the power train in development. Put the two together.

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    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    I was asking why any OEM would spend the money to develop a work van that is much higher priced, and hamstrung by electric propulsion.

    Not hamstrung by electric propulsion and even if 15 to 20K higher priced, the savings on maintenance, oil, gas will easily off set and have bigger savings over a 3-5 year period than gas.

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    @oldshurst442 In the US, auto exhaust noise cannot go over 95 decibels. Many rock concerts break the 105 decibel limit that does cause hearing loss. Harley Davidson has come under fire as their open header bikes have often broke the sound limit and in the cities, you are very correct that many people complain about the noise waking them up during the night when sleeping.

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    24 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Not hamstrung by electric propulsion and even if 15 to 20K higher priced, the savings on maintenance, oil, gas will easily off set and have bigger savings over a 3-5 year period than gas.

    Right, think of an airport off site parking shuttle company that runs an Econoline or Transit van/bus 50,000 miles a year or more at 10-15 mpg.  Then compare to what an electric van would cost to operate.  There are loads of applications for an electric van.

    As far as muscle cars go that was brought up, this has 1,900 hp, and I don't think an V8s are going to touch this Pinanfirina:

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    Electric is the future.

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    V8s aren't going to touch the 1900 HP pininfarina not because it's faster, but because no one will ever see this $2.5 million dollar proposal. Because it's $2.5 million dollars. If it gets built.
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    Re an electric pass van operating costs- that depends on it's pricing. Unless Daimler can somehow stop themselves from gouging van customers -- after all, there is zero passion about buying a commercial van; it's all about the bottom line -- and not tack another $25K onto the $40K the sprinter diesel starts at, there is no cost comparison to a TD Transit (which gets 17 MPG composite, not 10, nor does it get the 14.5 MPG the sprinter TD has been demonstrated to return). You'd get AT LEAST 10 years of being ahead of the game in a TD commercial van over an EV. They need to be priced competitively to "be the future".

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    16 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    V8s aren't going to touch the 1900 HP pininfarina not because it's faster, but because no one will ever see this $2.5 million dollar proposal. Because it's $2.5 million dollars. If it gets built.
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    Re an electric pass van operating costs- that depends on it's pricing. Unless Daimler can somehow stop themselves from gouging van customers -- after all, there is zero passion about buying a commercial van; it's all about the bottom line -- and not tack another $25K onto the $40K the sprinter diesel starts at, there is no cost comparison to a TD Transit (which gets 17 MPG composite, not 10, nor does it get the 14.5 MPG the sprinter TD has been demonstrated to return). You'd get AT LEAST 10 years of being ahead of the game in a TD commercial van over an EV. They need to be priced competitively to "be the future".

    I totally disagree with you on the Sprinter TD van. Sadly my brother inlaw who has an appliance service business has replaced all of them less than 5 years old due to high maintenance cost, breakage constantly compared to the Ford vans he replaced them with. Sprinters are not reliable as MB would like to make them out to be. I hope their EV van is far better.

    CNG converted vans have been proven to totally offset the high conversion price at 15K miles a year in service compared to gas or diesel. EV's will do the same thing due to low maintenance and lower cost to recharge the battery packs.

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    That totally depends on the purchase price! It takes many years to offset tens of thousands more spent on Day 1- one can't legally  buy a brand new vehicle with Monopoly money (unfortunately). Saving the cost of 2 or 3 oil changes per year is a drop in the bucket if it cost you $25K to do so.

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      Hyundai is only giving the range for the single motor and large battery setup at the moment which stands at 298 miles. Do note that is for the WLTP test cycle. We expect the EPA rating to be lower, between 200 to 250 being our guess on this version.
      Hyundai is planning on launching the Ioniq 5 in select markets later this year, with North America following sometime after - likely 2022.
      Source: Hyundai
      Hyundai IONIQ 5 Redefines Electric Mobility Lifestyle
      IONIQ 5 all-electric, midsize CUV debuted today in a virtual world premiere event Design explores new experiences only possible with dedicated BEV platform …Evokes the daring attitude of Hyundai Pony, the company’s first production car, highlighting 45-year journey of Hyundai design and looking ahead to the future …Exterior achieves unique proportions on a 3,000-mm wheelbase emphasizing EV specific typology .…Interior raises bar of comfort and usability with flat floor and Universal Island Reflects commitment to sustainability by utilizing eco-friendly materials and nature-inspired colors in many touchpoints Delivers powerful performance and ultra-fast 400 V and 800 V multi-charging Provides Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) function, which can turn the vehicle into a charger on wheels SEOUL, February 22, 2021 — Hyundai Motor Company today launched the IONIQ 5 midsize CUV during a virtual world premiere event. As the first model in Hyundai’s new IONIQ brand dedicated to battery electric vehicles (BEV), IONIQ 5 sets the benchmark to redefine the electric mobility lifestyle with sustainable and innovative features.
      IONIQ 5 is built upon Hyundai Motor Group’s dedicated BEV architecture called Electric-Global Modular Platform (E-GMP), enabling it to have unique proportions on an elongated wheelbase. With E-GMP, IONIQ 5 offers innovative interior design with eco-friendly materials in many touchpoints, strong performance mated with ultra-fast charging and a Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) function as well as advanced connectivity and driver assistance features that will offer the ultimate in-car experience while ensuring safety.
      “IONIQ 5 will accommodate lifestyles without limits, proactively caring for customers’ needs throughout their journey,” said Thomas Schemera, Executive Vice President and Global Chief Marketing Officer. “It is truly the first electric vehicle to provide a new experience with its innovative use of interior space and advanced technologies.”
      Heralding a new era for EV design
      IONIQ 5’s progressive design represents a departure from past norms, exploring a new design freedom offered by a dedicated BEV platform. By evoking the daring attitude of Hyundai Pony, the company’s first production car, IONIQ 5 highlights Hyundai’s 45-year journey to become a part of customer’s lifestyles, creating a common thread from past to present and future. This is the redefinition of timeless design, a theme that will expand as the IONIQ lineup grows.
      IONIQ 5’s unique exterior design is characterized by the Pony-inspired profile over a 3,000-mm wheelbase. This extended wheelbase requires a more sophisticated approach to translate this new proportion into a contemporary EV typology.
      The front of the car is equipped with Hyundai’s first clamshell hood that minimizes panel gaps for optimal aerodynamics. The front bumper is defined by an eye-catching V-shape incorporating distinctive daytime running lights (DRLs) that provide an unmistakable light signature unique to IONIQ 5. These small pixel-like clusters also appear at the rear of the vehicle.
      On the sides, auto flush door handles provide clean surface styling and enhanced aerodynamic efficiency. The front and rear forms of the vehicle merge together at its doors, offering another example of Hyundai’s ‘Parametric Dynamics’ design first seen on the all-new Tucson. The strong C-pillar shape, inspired by Hyundai’s ‘45’ EV concept, gives IONIQ 5 a commanding presence clearly identifiable from a distance.
      Aero-optimized wheels further echo the Parametric Pixel design theme and are offered in a super-sized 20-inch diameter, the largest rims ever fitted to a Hyundai EV. These complete IONIQ 5’s perfected proportions, optimized for Hyundai’s E-GMP.
      “A new mobility experience for the next generation—this was the mission from the first day we began this project, to look ahead towards the horizon, but stay fundamentally Hyundai,” said SangYup Lee, Senior Vice President and Head of Hyundai Global Design Center. “IONIQ 5 is the new definition of timeless, providing a common thread linking our past to the present and future.”
      The ‘Living Space’ theme runs throughout the interior, most notably embodied by the Universal Island, a moveable center console that can slide back as much as 140 mm. Universal Island, along with the flat floor where the batteries are stored, allows more freedom of movement inside the vehicle.
      IONIQ 5 is also equipped with electronically adjustable front seats. The seats recline to the optimum angle, offering a weightless feeling for the occupant. Hyundai reduced the thickness of the front seats by 30 percent, providing more space for those seated in the second row.
      Many of its interior touchpoints — seats, headliner, door trim, floor and armrest — use eco-friendly, sustainably sourced materials, such as recycled PET bottles, plant-based (bio PET) yarns and natural wool yarns, eco-processed leather with plant-based extracts, and bio paint with plant extracts.
      Customers can choose from nine exterior colors[1], including five nature-inspired hues exclusive to IONIQ 5. The interior has three color options[2].
      A range of power electric systems to suit every customer
      IONIQ 5 is available with a range of power electric (PE) configurations to fit the mobility needs of every customer, with no compromises on performance. Customers can select from two battery pack options, either 58 kWh or 72.6 kWh[3], and two electric motor layouts, either with a rear motor only or with both front and rear motors. All PE variations provide outstanding range and deliver a top speed of 185 km/h.
      At the top of the electric motor lineup is an all-wheel drive (AWD) option paired with the 72.6-kWh battery, producing a combined power output of 225-kWh and 605 Nm of torque. This PE configuration can go from 0 km/h to 100 km/h in 5.2 seconds.
      When equipped with two-wheel drive (2WD) and 72.6-kWh battery, IONIQ 5’s maximum driving range on a single charge will be around 470~480 km[4], according to the Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) standard.
      Ultra-fast battery charging along with innovative Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) function
      IONIQ 5’s E-GMP can support both 400-V and 800-V charging infrastructures. The platform offers 800-V charging capability as standard, along with 400-V charging, without the need for additional components or adapters. The multi-charging system is a world’s first patented technology that operates the motor and inverter to boost 400 V to 800 V for stable charging compatibility.
      With a 350-kW charger, IONIQ 5 can charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in just 18 minutes. IONIQ 5 users only need to charge the vehicle for five minutes to get 100 km of range, according to WLTP.
      IONIQ 5 also provides an innovative V2L function, which allows customers to freely use or charge any electric devices, such as electric bicycles, scooters or camping equipment, serving as a charger on wheels.
      The V2L function can supply up to 3.6 kW of power. The V2L port is located under the second-row seats, and it can be activated when a vehicle is on. Another V2L port is located at the charging port on the vehicle exterior. Using a converter, customers can charge high-power electric equipment. The outside port provides power even when the vehicle is turned off.
      Innovative connectivity and driver assistance for safety and convenience[5]
      IONIQ 5 seamlessly integrates advanced technologies for an enhanced digital user experience. The wide, configurable, dual cockpit features a 12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen and hoodless 12- inch digital gauge cluster that can be customized to meet customers’ needs.
      For the first time in Hyundai, IONIQ 5 features an Augmented Reality Head-Up Display (AR HUD), essentially turning the windshield into a display screen.
      IONIQ 5 is also equipped with the next level of Hyundai SmartSense, advanced driver assistance system, ensuring the highest levels of safety and convenience on the road. IONIQ 5 is the first Hyundai model to offer Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2). Other driving assistance systems include Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA), Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA), Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW), High Beam Assist (HBA), and more.
      IONIQ 5 will be available in selected regions starting in the first half of 2021.
      Dimensions
      Wheelbase
      3,000 mm
      Length
      4,635 mm
      Width
      1,890 mm
      Height
      1,605 mm
      Cargo
      Boot/trunk space
      531 L / 1591 L (when second-row seats are fully folded)
      Front trunk
      North American (NA) model: 24 L (both AWD and 2WD)
      Non-NA model: 57 L (2WD) or 24 L (AWD)
      Performance
      Platform
      Electric-Global Modular Platform
      Maximum Driving Range
      (according to WLTP)
      470~480 km
      (When pairing 2WD with 72.6-kWh battery option)
       
      Long Range
      72.6-kWh Battery
      (77.4-kWh for NA)
      AWD
      Power
      225-kW (Front and Rear combined)
      Torque
      605-Nm (Front and Rear combined)
      0-100 km/h
      5.2 seconds
      2WD 
      Power
      160-kW Rear
      Torque
      350-Nm Rear
      0-100 km/h
      7.4 seconds
       
      Standard Range
      58-kWh Battery
      AWD
      Power
      173 kW (Front and Rear combined)
      Torque
      605 Nm (Front and Rear combined)
      0-100 km/h
      6.1 seconds
      2WD
      Power
      125 kW
      Torque
      350 Nm
      0-100 km/h
      8.5 seconds
      Features (Please see additional details section below table for more information)
      Supported Charging Infrastructure
      400 V and 800 V (No need for additional adapters)
      Ultra-fast Charging
      10 % to 80 % in 18 minutes of charge
      100 km of range (WLTP) in 5 minutes of charge
      Vehicle-to-Load
      Max. Output
      3.6 kW
      Port Locations
      Inside: Under second-row seats
      Outside: vehicle charging port
      Infotainment
      Screen
      12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen
      Hoodless 12-inch digital gauge cluster
      Bluelink® connected car services
      Remote Profile Management
      Remote Start Enhancements
      Vehicle Status Notifications
      POI Send to Car Now with Waypoints
      Maintenance Alert Enhancement
      Dynamic Voice Recognition
      Safety and Convenience Features
      Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA)
      Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA)
      Safe Exit Assist (SEA)
      Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA)
      Driver Attention Warning (DAW)
      High Beam Assist (HBA)
      Surround View Monitor (SVM)
      Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (RCCA)
      Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist (PCA)
      Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2)
      Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA)
      Available Colors
      Exterior: Gravity Gold Matte, Shooting-Star Gray Matte, Digital Teal-Green Pearl, Lucid Blue Pearl, Atlas White, Cyber Gray Metallic, Phantom Black Pearl, Galactic Gray Metallic (not available in NA region), Mystic Olive-Green Pearl (not available in NA region)
      Interior: Obsidian Black and Dark Pebble Gray/Dove Gray, Dark Teal/Dove Gray, and Terra Brown/Mud Gray (only available in Korea)

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      IBM has announced their recent battery project is developing prototypes of new faster charging batteries that are free of Nickel and Cobalt thanks to AI. It has allowed them to quickly evaluate a set of 20,000 potential compounds for use in the Battery electrolytes. This would normally take 5 years via traditional human research and yet was accomplished in nine days using AI.
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      Gbatteries has used AI to build faster and more reliable DC fast chargers. InoBat from Slovakian has stated that AI is helping them to boost battery density by 20% with the batteries being sold in 2023.
      VW has stated AI is helping them lay out a new roadmap of lite weight materials for auto's including their own batteries that are in development.
      Dyson has claimed that AI is how they have brought Solid State batteries to market now.
      AI is going to help usher in the next generation of not only Auto's but phones, computers, etc.  AI will touch just about every aspect of life for people.
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-car-batteries-get-a-boost-from-artificial-intelligence-11604422792
      https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130221_report-ai-will-dramatically-speed-up-battery-development-and-thus-ev-adoption
      https://na.panasonic.com/us/press-releases
    • By William Maley
      You would think that Nissan has forgotten about the 370Z, considering not much has been done to it in some time. But the Japanese automaker wants to make it clear they haven't forgotten about their sports car. They have been quietly working on the next-generation model.
      Last night, Nissan introduced the Z Proto which is a thinly-veiled concept of the next-generation model, possibly named 400Z due out within the next few years.
      You will instantly recognize the Z Proto as being part of the Z family. Nissan's designers draw quite heavily from the original 240Z up front as evidenced by the hood, teardrop-shaped LED headlamps (only available on Japanese-market 240), and square lower grille. The side profile also has another nod to the 240Z with the cabin pushed far back. In the back, echoes of the 90's 300ZX with a sloping roofline and rear light treatment.
      The interior looks production ready with a digital gauge cluster, dished steering wheel, sport seats with yellow contrasts, and a six-speed manual. The only callback to older Z models is a three-gauge binnacle sitting on top of the dash.
      Nissan is keeping mum on the two important parts of the Z Proto - engine and chassis. On the former, Nissan says the concept uses a twin-turbo V6 - possibly being the 3.0L used in the Q50 and Q60. This engine produces either 300 or 400 horsepower depending on the version. We may see a smaller engine option being available on the production model.
      According to Nissan, "work is now underway to synchronize the power with the grace and control that has defined the Z for the past 50 years." Hopefully, more details begin to spill out before its debut.
       
      Source: Nissan
      Press Release is on Page 2


      New Nissan Z Proto looks to the future, inspired by its past
      NASHVILLE, Tenn. – The new Z is coming.
      Nissan has unveiled the Z Proto, signalling the company's intent to launch a new generation of the legendary Z sports car. Shown at an event beamed around the world from the Nissan Pavilion in Yokohama, Japan, the prototype features new design inside and out, as well as an upgraded powertrain with a manual transmission.
      In Franklin, just south of Nashville, hundreds of Z owners and enthusiasts watched the Z Proto's Yokohama debut on big screens from their vehicles in a socially distanced event– part of a weeklong schedule of activities during the 33rd annual International Z Convention (ZCON).
      First hinted at in a brand teaser video, "Nissan A-Z," shown in May, the Nissan Z Proto pays full respect to 50 years of Z heritage. At the same time, it's a thoroughly modern sports car.
      "The Z represents the joy of driving in its purest form and has helped shape Nissan's DNA as a passionate, innovative challenger," said Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida. "Ever since the first generation, it has captured the hearts of car enthusiasts all over the world. That's why we're so excited today to be able to say to them: Yes, the next one is coming!"
      Z Proto is one of 10 new vehicles that Nissan is showing for the U.S. in 20 months, along with top-sellers like Sentra and Rogue, and innovative new models like the all-electric Ariya crossover.
      "The United States is home to one of the most devoted and enthusiastic Z communities in the world, with nearly 1.35 million total sales over the model's 50-year history," said Mike Colleran, senior vice president, Nissan U.S. Marketing and Sales. "With new models like Sentra and Rogue opening new eyes to our brand, Z Proto is our loudest statement yet that Nissan will continue to bring vehicles that thrill to U.S. showrooms."
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      Using a theme that combines elements of previous generations while also projecting futurism was challenging, said Alfonso Albaisa, head of design at Nissan.
      "Our designers made countless studies and sketches as we researched each generation and what made them a success," Albaisa said. "Ultimately, we decided the Z Proto should travel between the decades, including the future."
      The shape of the hood and the canted, teardrop-shaped LED headlights are both unmistakable reminders of the original Z. The rectangular grille dimensions are similar to the current model, although the grille fins nod to the past. The form continues to exude both sportiness and elegance.
      "The LED headlights have two half-circles that hark back to the Japan market-only 240ZG of the 70s," Albaisa explained. "The ZG has clear dome lenses over the headlight buckets, which under light give off two circular reflections over each headlight. We liked that unique characteristic and discovered that it naturally fit with the Z's identity."
      The link to the original Z is most striking when viewing the Z Proto from the side. The roofline flows from the nose to the squared-off rear to create a distinctive first-generation Z profile whose rear edge was slightly lower than the front fender height giving the Z its unique posture. The signature transition from the rear quarter glass to the low-slung position of the rear tail adds to the effect.
      The rear takes inspiration from the 300ZX taillights, reinterpreted for the modern world. Set within a rectangular black section that runs across the rear and wraps around the outer edges, the LED taillights convey a sharp glow.
      Lightweight carbon fiber treatments on the side skirts, front lower lip and rear valance ensure nimble performance. 19-inch alloy wheels and dual exhausts complete the Z Proto's striking road presence.
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      Designed to fit driver and passenger like a glove, the Z Proto's cabin seamlessly blends modern technology with vintage Z touches.
      The interior design team sought advice from professional motorsports legends to give the Z Proto an ideal sports car cabin, both for road and track. This can be seen in the Z's instrumentation. All vital information is found in the 12.3-inch digital meter display and arranged to help the driver grasp it at a glance, such as the redline shift point at the twelve o-clock position.
      The new, deep dish steering wheel offers the driver quick access controls without losing its vintage aesthetic.
      Yellow accents are found throughout the cabin, including stitching on the instrument panel. The seats feature special accent piping and layered seat material to create depth.
      Sports car joy: an exhilarating, dynamic performer
      The original Z was built to bring the joy and excitement of sports car ownership to as many people as possible.
      "The Z has always been a strong dynamic performer, making it easy for customers to enjoy its capabilities and feel as connected as possible to the car," said Hiroshi Tamura, chief product specialist of the Z Proto. "This has been true through all its generations, and this is what drives our passion to innovate and challenge the norm."
      Each new generation had a more powerful engine, although the Z is about more than power increases.
      "Z is more than just powerful and agile," Tamura continued. "It is designed to create a connection with the driver, for the car to be a 'dance partner' for their on-road adventures."
      Make no mistake though, the Z Proto packs a powerful punch. Under the elongated hood is an enhanced V6 twin-turbocharged engine mated to a six-speed manual gearbox. As a prototype, work is now underway to synchronize the power with the grace and control that has defined the Z for the past 50 years.
      "Nissan is transforming its business," said Uchida. "This summer, we unveiled the ground breaking all-electric Nissan Ariya crossover, which represents the future of mobility. Even as we open this new chapter, the Z, its heritage and passion, express who we are and has been shaping our DNA for over fifty years."
      Nissan Z Proto Specifications
      Z Proto specifications*
      Engine
      V6 twin turbo
      Transmission
      6-speed manual
      (an automatic option is also in development)
      Length
      172.5 inches
      Width
      72.8 inches
      Height
      51.6 inches
      Wheel and tire size
      Front: 255/40R19
      Rear: 285/35R19

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    • By William Maley
      You would think that Nissan has forgotten about the 370Z, considering not much has been done to it in some time. But the Japanese automaker wants to make it clear they haven't forgotten about their sports car. They have been quietly working on the next-generation model.
      Last night, Nissan introduced the Z Proto which is a thinly-veiled concept of the next-generation model, possibly named 400Z due out within the next few years.
      You will instantly recognize the Z Proto as being part of the Z family. Nissan's designers draw quite heavily from the original 240Z up front as evidenced by the hood, teardrop-shaped LED headlamps (only available on Japanese-market 240), and square lower grille. The side profile also has another nod to the 240Z with the cabin pushed far back. In the back, echoes of the 90's 300ZX with a sloping roofline and rear light treatment.
      The interior looks production ready with a digital gauge cluster, dished steering wheel, sport seats with yellow contrasts, and a six-speed manual. The only callback to older Z models is a three-gauge binnacle sitting on top of the dash.
      Nissan is keeping mum on the two important parts of the Z Proto - engine and chassis. On the former, Nissan says the concept uses a twin-turbo V6 - possibly being the 3.0L used in the Q50 and Q60. This engine produces either 300 or 400 horsepower depending on the version. We may see a smaller engine option being available on the production model.
      According to Nissan, "work is now underway to synchronize the power with the grace and control that has defined the Z for the past 50 years." Hopefully, more details begin to spill out before its debut.
       
      Source: Nissan
      Press Release is on Page 2


      New Nissan Z Proto looks to the future, inspired by its past
      NASHVILLE, Tenn. – The new Z is coming.
      Nissan has unveiled the Z Proto, signalling the company's intent to launch a new generation of the legendary Z sports car. Shown at an event beamed around the world from the Nissan Pavilion in Yokohama, Japan, the prototype features new design inside and out, as well as an upgraded powertrain with a manual transmission.
      In Franklin, just south of Nashville, hundreds of Z owners and enthusiasts watched the Z Proto's Yokohama debut on big screens from their vehicles in a socially distanced event– part of a weeklong schedule of activities during the 33rd annual International Z Convention (ZCON).
      First hinted at in a brand teaser video, "Nissan A-Z," shown in May, the Nissan Z Proto pays full respect to 50 years of Z heritage. At the same time, it's a thoroughly modern sports car.
      "The Z represents the joy of driving in its purest form and has helped shape Nissan's DNA as a passionate, innovative challenger," said Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida. "Ever since the first generation, it has captured the hearts of car enthusiasts all over the world. That's why we're so excited today to be able to say to them: Yes, the next one is coming!"
      Z Proto is one of 10 new vehicles that Nissan is showing for the U.S. in 20 months, along with top-sellers like Sentra and Rogue, and innovative new models like the all-electric Ariya crossover.
      "The United States is home to one of the most devoted and enthusiastic Z communities in the world, with nearly 1.35 million total sales over the model's 50-year history," said Mike Colleran, senior vice president, Nissan U.S. Marketing and Sales. "With new models like Sentra and Rogue opening new eyes to our brand, Z Proto is our loudest statement yet that Nissan will continue to bring vehicles that thrill to U.S. showrooms."
      Z Proto exterior: past meets future
      Sporting a bright yellow pearlescent paint – a tribute to a popular paint scheme on both the first-generation 240Z and the 300ZX – the Z Proto boasts a fresh, attractive exterior design with a silhouette that communicates respect to the original model.
      Using a theme that combines elements of previous generations while also projecting futurism was challenging, said Alfonso Albaisa, head of design at Nissan.
      "Our designers made countless studies and sketches as we researched each generation and what made them a success," Albaisa said. "Ultimately, we decided the Z Proto should travel between the decades, including the future."
      The shape of the hood and the canted, teardrop-shaped LED headlights are both unmistakable reminders of the original Z. The rectangular grille dimensions are similar to the current model, although the grille fins nod to the past. The form continues to exude both sportiness and elegance.
      "The LED headlights have two half-circles that hark back to the Japan market-only 240ZG of the 70s," Albaisa explained. "The ZG has clear dome lenses over the headlight buckets, which under light give off two circular reflections over each headlight. We liked that unique characteristic and discovered that it naturally fit with the Z's identity."
      The link to the original Z is most striking when viewing the Z Proto from the side. The roofline flows from the nose to the squared-off rear to create a distinctive first-generation Z profile whose rear edge was slightly lower than the front fender height giving the Z its unique posture. The signature transition from the rear quarter glass to the low-slung position of the rear tail adds to the effect.
      The rear takes inspiration from the 300ZX taillights, reinterpreted for the modern world. Set within a rectangular black section that runs across the rear and wraps around the outer edges, the LED taillights convey a sharp glow.
      Lightweight carbon fiber treatments on the side skirts, front lower lip and rear valance ensure nimble performance. 19-inch alloy wheels and dual exhausts complete the Z Proto's striking road presence.
      Z Proto interior: modern tech with a vintage touch
      Designed to fit driver and passenger like a glove, the Z Proto's cabin seamlessly blends modern technology with vintage Z touches.
      The interior design team sought advice from professional motorsports legends to give the Z Proto an ideal sports car cabin, both for road and track. This can be seen in the Z's instrumentation. All vital information is found in the 12.3-inch digital meter display and arranged to help the driver grasp it at a glance, such as the redline shift point at the twelve o-clock position.
      The new, deep dish steering wheel offers the driver quick access controls without losing its vintage aesthetic.
      Yellow accents are found throughout the cabin, including stitching on the instrument panel. The seats feature special accent piping and layered seat material to create depth.
      Sports car joy: an exhilarating, dynamic performer
      The original Z was built to bring the joy and excitement of sports car ownership to as many people as possible.
      "The Z has always been a strong dynamic performer, making it easy for customers to enjoy its capabilities and feel as connected as possible to the car," said Hiroshi Tamura, chief product specialist of the Z Proto. "This has been true through all its generations, and this is what drives our passion to innovate and challenge the norm."
      Each new generation had a more powerful engine, although the Z is about more than power increases.
      "Z is more than just powerful and agile," Tamura continued. "It is designed to create a connection with the driver, for the car to be a 'dance partner' for their on-road adventures."
      Make no mistake though, the Z Proto packs a powerful punch. Under the elongated hood is an enhanced V6 twin-turbocharged engine mated to a six-speed manual gearbox. As a prototype, work is now underway to synchronize the power with the grace and control that has defined the Z for the past 50 years.
      "Nissan is transforming its business," said Uchida. "This summer, we unveiled the ground breaking all-electric Nissan Ariya crossover, which represents the future of mobility. Even as we open this new chapter, the Z, its heritage and passion, express who we are and has been shaping our DNA for over fifty years."
      Nissan Z Proto Specifications
      Z Proto specifications*
      Engine
      V6 twin turbo
      Transmission
      6-speed manual
      (an automatic option is also in development)
      Length
      172.5 inches
      Width
      72.8 inches
      Height
      51.6 inches
      Wheel and tire size
      Front: 255/40R19
      Rear: 285/35R19
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    • Lots of Italians, Sicilians, and Greeks in Steubenville, Ohio where I spent my childhood.  Our next door neighbors had immigrated from Palermo.   
    • Yes.  Along with a few remote villages in Sicily, some remote villages on the heel of the peninsula have retained modified forms of Greek.  Probably because they're even closer to the Peloponnesus.  Greek (this brings back memories): "Ohi" means "no," but "Ne" means "yes"  My favorite Greek surname:  Papadiamantis, also the name of the main street on the island of Skiathos Italian and Greek: I know of only one word that is common to both Italian and Greek:  pantofoli (bedroom slippers), thought there are surely others Sicilian and French: The 200 years of French Norman rule is seen in the Sicilian dialect, where some words come from French, like some of the ones in the video: where:  "unni" from "ou" work:  "travagghiu" from "travail" buy:  "accattari" from "acheter" and many, many more Sicilian and Italian (per video): Most words in Sicilian use "u" sounds for the "o" sounds in Italian, which makes it sound more guttural... that's the biggest difference. I have rarely heard cheese called "tumazzu," as in the video.  Most people just call it "furmaggiu." But they didn't include one of the most humorous differences of them all:  snail:  "lumaca" (in Italian), but "babbaluccia" (in Sicilian) (bubb-a-looch-cha)!
    • @trinacriabob       I was listening to those clips above and others a few weeks back. I was shocked to see that in some parts of Southern Italy, Greek is spoken still and mixed with Italian.   I knew that about Sicily, but not on mainland Italy.   I was even shocked to learn, this was yesterday, that a classic 1980 Giannis Poulopoulos song was but a cover. An Italian cover. From 1974.  And there is a catch, the song was written and sung by a very popular Italian singer, but the song was written and sung...in Greek.     Original  Mia Martini   Una faccia, una razza!  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yDqhw4Vhh-I/Tvr6TfymTmI/AAAAAAAABiw/ia8Zwy4TxDI/s1600/ItaliaGreciaBandiere.jpg    
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