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    Rumorpile: Buick Is Showing A Coupe Concept For Detroit

      Buick Has A Surprise In the Wings For Tomorrow, We Have A Possible Guess As To What

    Before the Detroit Auto Show kicks off Monday, a few automakers will have events around Detroit. Buick will be one of those as they'll be showing off the new Envision crossover. But there is something else waiting in the wings. This week, The Detroit News learned that Buick will have a big premiere at the event. Officials at Buick were keeping their lips shut as to what this may be.

     

    “We have a very special program, and we had a surprise last year, so we’ll see if we can do something this year as well,” Duncan Aldred, U.S. vice president of Buick.

     

    However, Bloomberg may have learned what the surprise is. A source says the other vehicle will be a sporty coupe concept that is about the same size as the Chevrolet Camaro. No other details such as a name were revealed.

     

    You may remember Buick doing this same thing last year where they introduced the Cascada convertible and Avenir concept at an event before the show.

     

    We'll be at Buick's event tomorrow and get all of the details on both the Envision and the concept. In the meantime, you can follow all 2016 Detroit Auto Show news here.

     

    Source: The Detroit News, Bloomberg

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    Well not sure it is an Alpha. A Lacrosse based Coupe would be a similar size.

    I would wager it is either a Buick version of Monza in Coupe form or possibly a Buick version of the GT?

    Just do not expect a GN as that would not fit the market. I would expect more of a A5 or A4 AWD coupe.

    Remember this car may represent a possible Buick but also Opel, Vauxhall and Holden.

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    Makes sense for it to be an Alpha, but I agree that it would be a bit optimistic to hope for a GN.

    I would actually like to see something more along the lines of a 3/4 scale Regal if it is an Alpha car.

     

    Possibly named Skylark, maybe Wildcat?

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    I think there is room in the market for a "personal luxury coupe" as the old saying goes.  There are mature buyers out there that don't want a Camaro or Mustang, or don't want the noisy exhaust note and stiff suspension of an Infiniti G37/Q60.  There isn't a mid-size coupe on the market right now that is geared toward refinement and luxury, unless you pay $60k for an E-class coupe.  I think a $35,000 Riviera hits a sweet spot for those that want something nicer than the CamCord segment, but don't want a crossover or a big car like an Avalon, Cadenza or Impala.

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    (I'M IGNORING THE BIG "SIZED" as Camaro and letting my imagination run wild)

     

    I think it might be a crossover coupe concept... I mean those count as coupes nowadays no?

     

    And then the production version will be a stylized crossover. Perhaps next gen Enclave. Perhaps.

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    When the release says "Camaro-sized" of course my brain takes that as a clue that the car will be Alpha-based.  I am ready to be bowled over by Buick's concepts two yerrs in a row... Avenir rocked the house!

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    Well here are things to ponder.

    #1 Buick is a global division. You know Opel, Holden and Vauxhall.

    #2 two of these divisions are RHD. Guess what the Alpha does not support RHD.

    #3 The new D2XX is very flexible and can support a coupe and could support AWD.

    Look for a Buick like coupe based on the Monza we saw from Opel.

    There is no GN as you know it. While it could be names that the concept of the original is too dated today. The car was based on a NASCAR stock car in the Grand National Series. Well Buick is not in NASCAR and NASCAR changed the name on the Grand National Series do it is way out of date.

    Buick is trying to change minds today of just who and what they are. To do that they need a new name and this car will be a car that will go, turn and stop unlike the GN that just has go.

    While we enthusiast all look back with fond memories on the GN you have to consider many look back and just see a car like their grandfathers Regal in black. Also if stock it is not as fast as some 4 cylinder cars today.

    The GN was a legend and time to leave it as that. I would on and create a coupe much like a Audi A5 with a Turbo engine and call it something new or if you were going to use an old name use Riviera.

    Finally this is not a production car as of yet so keep an open mind.

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    Why you so hyper?  I never mentioned any names.  And for Alpha not to support RHD, well, that is a basic mistake on GM's part.

     

    Which nations need RHD anyway?

    England and Australia mostly. This is the kind of car from Opel that could play a big part in Holden's future. Holden, Vauxhall, Opel and Buick are all joined a the hip and will rely on each other to make up global volumes.

    Buick is being targeted more at lower volume models sold globally and not volume models sold in one market anymore.

    Duncan also has stressed White Space cars. These are shared models with the other brands that would be sold in lower volumes and be the kinds of cars you would never expect from Buick. This means a possible future wagon, Hatch and even a coupe like this. Much of what we see will be shared and this I would expect would be one of them with coupe sales at the volumes they are outside the Camaro and Mustang.

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    Why you so hyper?  I never mentioned any names.  And for Alpha not to support RHD, well, that is a basic mistake on GM's part.

    Why so narcissistic? I never even read your post so it was not a response directed at you.

    As for GM not making a RHD Alpha it was a call made at the early time of rebuilding and they were more worried about fixing North America than the world at that point. Hind sight is 20/20 and it is what it is.

    Today Buick is part of the global plan with Holden, Opel And Vauxhall along with Buick of China. When we look at Buick today it must be in a global context not just North America.

    The game for Buick has changed in how they operate and how they will be used. The key here is they will need to reflect a global base and not old memories of 1985 here on a Saturday night.

    If Buick wants new people to buy they need to do new and different things. We have seen this with the Encore but we also will see it in many other products. As long as you do not want to get all sentimental and retro this could be the most compelling division GM has moving forward. I expect the most surprised from them vs. any other division.

    They will be what Pontiac could or should have been starting in the 60's. The division to take risk and make special cars for customers that want to be special. Not a division trying to relive the past on what few high marks they have had in the last 40 years.

    Why you so hyper?  I never mentioned any names.  And for Alpha not to support RHD, well, that is a basic mistake on GM's part.

     

    Which nations need RHD anyway?

    The UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, India, Japan, some Carribbean countries, and others...

     

    http://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/list-of-left-driving-countries/

    Nice list.

    You may also want to list South Africa that Holden already makes cars for in RHD.

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    I'm sure that GM could adapt Alpha to suit the markets they plan to sell it in.

    In any event, an Alpha Buick would still be a go in China, where they drive on the same side as we do here.

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    Well the new Opel GT is to contain the look of the Monza. It is going to be based on the new D2XX platform.

    The new Insignia is to be the basis of the new Regal and it is to contain the new Monza look.

    The new Lacrosse carries some of the new Opel design in the front now too more than ever.

    With that said I would peg this car as a D2XX. Take a Camaro sized car but with the D2XX and make it all wheel drive. Get it to be a car similar to the Audi A5 like class coupe.

    Or even could this be a down sized Omega that takes a part Avenir and adapts it to a coupe?

    Either way I do not expect it to be an Alpha as we have it today. Being it is a styling concept and not a prototype for production it could be presenting a case for a new Coupe on the updated Alpha now being worked on.

    I'm sure that GM could adapt Alpha to suit the markets they plan to sell it in.

    In any event, an Alpha Buick would still be a go in China, where they drive on the same side as we do here.

    Don't forget Hong Kong. RHD.

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      "The Z represents the joy of driving in its purest form and has helped shape Nissan's DNA as a passionate, innovative challenger," said Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida. "Ever since the first generation, it has captured the hearts of car enthusiasts all over the world. That's why we're so excited today to be able to say to them: Yes, the next one is coming!"
      Z Proto is one of 10 new vehicles that Nissan is showing for the U.S. in 20 months, along with top-sellers like Sentra and Rogue, and innovative new models like the all-electric Ariya crossover.
      "The United States is home to one of the most devoted and enthusiastic Z communities in the world, with nearly 1.35 million total sales over the model's 50-year history," said Mike Colleran, senior vice president, Nissan U.S. Marketing and Sales. "With new models like Sentra and Rogue opening new eyes to our brand, Z Proto is our loudest statement yet that Nissan will continue to bring vehicles that thrill to U.S. showrooms."
      Z Proto exterior: past meets future
      Sporting a bright yellow pearlescent paint – a tribute to a popular paint scheme on both the first-generation 240Z and the 300ZX – the Z Proto boasts a fresh, attractive exterior design with a silhouette that communicates respect to the original model.
      Using a theme that combines elements of previous generations while also projecting futurism was challenging, said Alfonso Albaisa, head of design at Nissan.
      "Our designers made countless studies and sketches as we researched each generation and what made them a success," Albaisa said. "Ultimately, we decided the Z Proto should travel between the decades, including the future."
      The shape of the hood and the canted, teardrop-shaped LED headlights are both unmistakable reminders of the original Z. The rectangular grille dimensions are similar to the current model, although the grille fins nod to the past. The form continues to exude both sportiness and elegance.
      "The LED headlights have two half-circles that hark back to the Japan market-only 240ZG of the 70s," Albaisa explained. "The ZG has clear dome lenses over the headlight buckets, which under light give off two circular reflections over each headlight. We liked that unique characteristic and discovered that it naturally fit with the Z's identity."
      The link to the original Z is most striking when viewing the Z Proto from the side. The roofline flows from the nose to the squared-off rear to create a distinctive first-generation Z profile whose rear edge was slightly lower than the front fender height giving the Z its unique posture. The signature transition from the rear quarter glass to the low-slung position of the rear tail adds to the effect.
      The rear takes inspiration from the 300ZX taillights, reinterpreted for the modern world. Set within a rectangular black section that runs across the rear and wraps around the outer edges, the LED taillights convey a sharp glow.
      Lightweight carbon fiber treatments on the side skirts, front lower lip and rear valance ensure nimble performance. 19-inch alloy wheels and dual exhausts complete the Z Proto's striking road presence.
      Z Proto interior: modern tech with a vintage touch
      Designed to fit driver and passenger like a glove, the Z Proto's cabin seamlessly blends modern technology with vintage Z touches.
      The interior design team sought advice from professional motorsports legends to give the Z Proto an ideal sports car cabin, both for road and track. This can be seen in the Z's instrumentation. All vital information is found in the 12.3-inch digital meter display and arranged to help the driver grasp it at a glance, such as the redline shift point at the twelve o-clock position.
      The new, deep dish steering wheel offers the driver quick access controls without losing its vintage aesthetic.
      Yellow accents are found throughout the cabin, including stitching on the instrument panel. The seats feature special accent piping and layered seat material to create depth.
      Sports car joy: an exhilarating, dynamic performer
      The original Z was built to bring the joy and excitement of sports car ownership to as many people as possible.
      "The Z has always been a strong dynamic performer, making it easy for customers to enjoy its capabilities and feel as connected as possible to the car," said Hiroshi Tamura, chief product specialist of the Z Proto. "This has been true through all its generations, and this is what drives our passion to innovate and challenge the norm."
      Each new generation had a more powerful engine, although the Z is about more than power increases.
      "Z is more than just powerful and agile," Tamura continued. "It is designed to create a connection with the driver, for the car to be a 'dance partner' for their on-road adventures."
      Make no mistake though, the Z Proto packs a powerful punch. Under the elongated hood is an enhanced V6 twin-turbocharged engine mated to a six-speed manual gearbox. As a prototype, work is now underway to synchronize the power with the grace and control that has defined the Z for the past 50 years.
      "Nissan is transforming its business," said Uchida. "This summer, we unveiled the ground breaking all-electric Nissan Ariya crossover, which represents the future of mobility. Even as we open this new chapter, the Z, its heritage and passion, express who we are and has been shaping our DNA for over fifty years."
      Nissan Z Proto Specifications
      Z Proto specifications*
      Engine
      V6 twin turbo
      Transmission
      6-speed manual
      (an automatic option is also in development)
      Length
      172.5 inches
      Width
      72.8 inches
      Height
      51.6 inches
      Wheel and tire size
      Front: 255/40R19
      Rear: 285/35R19
    • By William Maley
      The COVID-19 pandemic has possibly caused another auto show to rethink their plans. According to Automotive News, organizers of the show are planning to delay the show from November to next May. Three sources tell the outlet the new dates are May 21st to 31st. Two of sources go on to say that an announcement could come this week.
      Automotive News tried to get comment from Terri Toennies, president of the show, but did not reply.
      By possibly moving the LA Auto Show to May, automakers and organizers of the New York and Detroit shows find themselves in a difficult spot. The LA show sandwiches between New York (April) and the revised Detroit show (June), which may cause automakers to make difficult decisions as to which shows get the most significant unveilings or whether to attend at all.
      Auto shows in general have been struggling before the onset of the pandemic. With automakers deciding to hold their own events to have more time in the spotlight and save cash, the spectacle of the show has gone down.
      We'll keep you posted.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

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