To be able to keep Cadillac on a quality focus growth I think this guy is spreading himself a bit too thin.

this would be great news if gm still sold cars, especially performance ones...

14 minutes ago, thedriver said:

this would be great news if gm still sold cars, especially performance ones...

Camaro? V-series? Corvette?

i love how GM is taking the profits and not putting them back into products to serve the market now, they are throwing the money for stuff people want to buy out the window at automation and electrification.  

Exactly.  Why should I help GM ruin what I like about them... by buying something from them?  I feel like I've been duped, and I do not like that atall.  They think they have us by the balls.  Ram makes a sweet truck.  Jeep makes a great CUV/SUV.  Screw GM with their electric/autonomous BS.

17 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Exactly.  Why should I help GM ruin what I like about them... by buying something from them?  I feel like I've been duped, and I do not like that atall.  They think they have us by the balls.  Ram makes a sweet truck.  Jeep makes a great CUV/SUV.  Screw GM with their electric/autonomous BS.

I really love Jeep. Were I to be buying an SUV...Jeep it would be.

Explorer and Escape are decent products also in their segment.

38 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Save the CT6, even if the flagship is nowadays the Escalade.  The FWD sedans can safely die.  We need the CT6 badly.

We really do.

The Edge is pretty good too.   

Disclaimer: By me saying that the Edge is pretty good and agreeing that Explorer and Escape are good in no way does it mean I like CUVs and SUVs.   

I havent been inside GM's latest CUVs and SUVs or driven them for me to form an opinion on them, but I can say that if I was into CUVs and SUVs, I would without a shadow of a doubt trust Ford's CUvs and SUVs.  

Back to GM.

I really like Mark Ruess.  Something about Dan Amman I did not like.  I do not know what it is about Dan that I did not like. Probably his lack of vision on the marketing of his brands and vehicles.  I hope Mark does a better job at that. 

Mark is a true car guy.  It may pain @ocnblu, but maybe the electric future GM is betting on, Mark could put some car guy DNA into them. Make them more Tesla in terms of sporty ride and acceleration (on certain EV models), rather than bland Prius...maybe he could better differentiate which EVs need to be more Tesla-like and which ones need to be more Prius-like and execute them properly. 

Hopefully, he would not be spreading himself too thin as GM needs to have Cadillac running at a superior pace in terms of quality and vision, and the whole EV thing. Well, GM is literally betting the farm on them, so the EVs HAVE to be nothing but the best!  

There is no natural personality in an electric motor.  Any uniqueness will need to be added artificially.  It will be no more exciting than a generic Power Wheels chassis with a silhouette body hung on it of any number of styles.  Gag.Me.With.A.Spoon.  No way in hell, Paco.

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

There is no natural personality in an electric motor.  Any uniqueness will need to be added artificially.  It will be no more exciting than a generic Power Wheels chassis with a silhouette body hung on it of any number of styles.  Gag.Me.With.A.Spoon.  No way in hell, Paco.

It's a crying shame you don't have children. Someone five hundred years in the future could get a kick out of watching your descendants whine and moan about how electric wheeled cars are being replaced with fission powered Jetsonesque flying cars.

And my electric powered stationary tools in my workshop would like a word with you about nothing electric powered having personality.

16 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

It's a crying shame you don't have children. Someone five hundred years in the future could get a kick out of watching your descendants whine and moan about how electric wheeled cars are being replaced with fission powered Jetsonesque flying cars.

And my electric powered stationary tools in my workshop would like a word with you about nothing electric powered having personality.

You are so true, it is amazing the personality even between my electric drills that I have.

Electric has just as much personality as ICE. We just have to have open minds, eyes, ears to see the differences.

Funny thing is over the holidays was doing some home repair and I have two identical 18v cordeless drills and one tends to have a grunt noise to it where the other is much higher pitched whir noise. Both have never failed me and yet while they look identical and both do their job, they clearly have their own personality of noises. lol

@oldshurst442

^^^^^ +100,000,000,000,000,000,000

Thank you for making such a clear explanation!

21 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Exactly.  Why should I help GM ruin what I like about them... by buying something from them?  I feel like I've been duped, and I do not like that atall.  They think they have us by the balls.  Ram makes a sweet truck.  Jeep makes a great CUV/SUV.  Screw GM with their electric/autonomous BS.

why can't they do both.  take risk and invest for the innovation.  don't skim the R&D money off the successful products and not put it back into the big sellers.

what is GM's payoff for dumping all this money of R&D into autonomous and electric?  are they just doing this out of the kindness of their heart or did the government hold them ransom to do this?  Or is it for PR reasons?

Infuriates me that all this money going into electrics and autonomous and no one can say when in the future i can stop anywhere on the highways, plug in my car for 3 minutes, and fully charge to 300 mile range (that doesn't die in cold weather).  Until that day is known, GM still has to put full effort into their ICE cars and make them competitive.  Just now we'll get chevy blazer for example.  where ford edge and murano have been around forever.

9 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Its one thing to humanize a dog. At least its living and breathing. Its another to humanize an object. 

If you really want personality in your transportation medium,  horses are the way to go.  Im not trying to be funny,  just pointing out that an inanimate object have no personalities...

1. I am against 'humanizing' animals. I like 'em, there's a couple living here, but they're not 'children' and they're not 'human'.  And in case anyone was wondering, I also hate 'talking dog' commercials.
2. Inanimate objects sometimes DO have personalities.  Frankly, I get more enjoyment out of a choice inanimate object than I do out of an animal.  And the inanimate object doesn't even have to make noise/run for it's personality to shine out.  I thought you guys were car people? ;)
 

1 hour ago, regfootball said:

no one can say when in the future i can stop anywhere on the highways, plug in my car for 3 minutes, and fully charge to 300 mile range (that doesn't die in cold weather).  

I am not aware of any ICE auto that can refill in 3 minutes with 300 miles of range. XFC does bring 400 miles of range in 15 min and that should go down over the next few years as solid state batteries with capacitor storage is added to EVs. The charging infrastructure is extensive and growing daily. It is just a matter of time, much as it was with ICE auto's in the early 1900's when you had to think about where a gas station was to make sure you had enough fuel for trips, now at least even if there is no XFC or level 4 charger, there are usually Level 3 DC or level 2 charges to be found and always Level 1 or 110 V chargers so an EV can get power always in the 21st century.

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

..much as it was with ICE auto's in the early 1900's when you had to think about where a gas station was to make sure you had enough fuel for trips...

Dave- you keep trotting this out as if it were unequivocal. 1. Early 1900s autos were not taken on long trips- there was zero highways and very very few paved roads; you actually couldn't get very far if you wanted to. They were only used for occasional local drives; they were not depended on as transportation by & large. 2. You discount the then-plentiful farms having various fuels on hand, and early cars were simplistic enough to run on a variety of fuels. There was no range anxiety back then.

Still, a number of determined motorists completed cross-country trips in the very early years:
https://www.wired.com/2016/05/tale-epic-coast-coast-road-trip-1903/

Call me greedy, but i want it all. Good gas powered drivers, and my EV tech too,

If GM doesn’t, sure I will find someone who does....

21 hours ago, dfelt said:

I am not aware of any ICE auto that can refill in 3 minutes with 300 miles of range. XFC does bring 400 miles of range in 15 min and that should go down over the next few years as solid state batteries with capacitor storage is added to EVs. The charging infrastructure is extensive and growing daily. It is just a matter of time, much as it was with ICE auto's in the early 1900's when you had to think about where a gas station was to make sure you had enough fuel for trips, now at least even if there is no XFC or level 4 charger, there are usually Level 3 DC or level 2 charges to be found and always Level 1 or 110 V chargers so an EV can get power always in the 21st century.

So if it takes 15 years or 25 years to get to that point why divert all the resources to the stuff that won’t sell for 15-25 years. Let that development support itself. Gm still has to build and develop competitive ICE  lines of cars and trucks that are among the best offerings out there until that time, and they need those R&D resources to do that. You cannot lose your market share by not reinvesting In What people want to buy now. 

Who stated GM was using "all" it's resources on future tech??

23 hours ago, balthazar said:

1. I am against 'humanizing' animals. I like 'em, there's a couple living here, but they're not 'children' and they're not 'human'.  And in case anyone was wondering, I also hate 'talking dog' commercials.

You and me both!  I especially HATE IT!!! 🤬 when people dress up their dogs....

23 hours ago, balthazar said:

2. Inanimate objects sometimes DO have personalities.  Frankly, I get more enjoyment out of a choice inanimate object than I do out of an animal.  And the inanimate object doesn't even have to make noise/run for it's personality to shine out.

 I understand FULLY!!!  @dfelt  mentioned his drills...

I too, have my favorite tools.

A Black and Decker Fire Storm cordless drill, that I absolutely refuse to give up.  I love it!!! But Im also on my 3rd Ni-Ca battery on it that I bought for it. 50 bucks. I could buy a brand new Lithion battery powered Ryobi or Makita or whatever...but that Black and Decker, its been with me since 1994. We've been through a lot.  I bought it for my dad.XMAS gift. He used it a lot. I used it a lot. As long as I could always buy a Ni-Ca battery for it, I will never let it go. 

Plus...with my cars that Ive owned. There is ALWAYS a sad moment when I replace them with something new. I aint happy for a new car. Im saddened that Im departing with the old one. I actually cried when I traded in my Olds Alero for the Impala I bought. 

23 hours ago, balthazar said:

I thought you guys were car people?

I just confessed to crying over my Olds Alero when I gave it up for another car.  I think that qualifies. 

But, let us be real here. Anthropomorphism is what is happening here.  Inanimate objects do not have personalities. We as humans, assign personalities to them. 

But...animals actually DO have personalities for real...

I’ve been known to put sweaters on dogs when it’s really cold... and I definitely let them on the furniture. 

As far as getting sads when selling an old car, I did kind of miss my old Jeep when I traded March 31, 2017.   But I’d had it almost 17 years and 170k miles...it was at the point where I didn’t trust it anymore and it would needed expensive repairs. Pic below taken the day I traded it. 

19 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I’ve been known to put sweaters on dogs when it’s really cold... and I definitely let them on the furniture. 

As far as getting sads when selling an old car, I did kind of miss my old Jeep when I traded March 31, 2017.   But I’d had it almost 17 years and 170k miles...it was at the point where I didn’t trust it anymore and it would needed expensive repairs. Pic below taken the day I traded it. 

Foot in mouth....regarding hating when people put clothes on dogs.  LOL  

But that little fella, yeah, poor guy. He probably gets just as cold as we do in freezing cold weather... I guess I could be more sensitive...LOL

Certain breeds really need them.  One should always wrap his wiener, for example.

Well, mine are Arizona dogs.  2nd winter in Ohio, but this winter so far is mild compared to last year.