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    Ask Me About: 2019 Buick Regal GS

      The Buick Regal GS has come in a for a weeklong test. If you have questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

    As I'm writing this, Michigan along with various other states is under the grasp of a polar vortex. It is currently -6' F (the wind chill drops that to -29' F). I was keen on getting the driver who was dropping off my next test vehicle into the Silverado quickly so he could warm up.

    That vehicle is the 2019 Buick Regal GS. As much I would have loved to get my hands on the new TourX, I have a bit more experience with the GS. In 2015, I spent a week in the previous Regal GS and came away quite impressed. The turbo-four, all-wheel drive system, and suspension made for a surprisingly taut sedan. This new one (introduced in 2017) gave me a bit of pause as it would swap the four-cylinder for the 3.6L NA V6. This engine has not been a favorite of mine as you have really to bury your foot to get the most of it.

    In the case of my tester, it happens to be brand spanking new with less than 400 miles on the odometer. Base is $39,070 and with a few options comes to $43,115. My first impressions?

    • I tend not to be a fan of red on vehicles, but the Regal GS pulls it off. The wide, long fastback shape wears this color quite well. Also, the wheels on this are quite sharp.
    • The seats are quite snug for me, mostly due to wide shoulders. There appears to be some adjustable bolstering and I'll see that helps.
    • WHY IS THERE NO OFF BUTTON FOR THE STOP-START SYSTEM BUICK?! Though the current weather kind of acts like an off switch.
    • The AWD system is biased towards the front as some experimentation in a snowy parking lot. I'm able to get the back step out provided I get a bit of throttle.

    I'll have some more updates and a small gallery in the next few days. If you have questions, be sure to drop them below and I'll do my best to answer them. Also, I will have a final update on the Silverado sometime tomorrow.
     


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    29 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Is there anything at all compelling about it to warrant its high asking price in relation to other choices?

    Take a drive in one and U will see. Its essentially a Buick S4, but better looking and waaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable. The S4 is certainly faster (0-60 4.4 sec vs 5.6) because of all that torque, but this car handles as well if not better imo. Damn GM for its simpleton reliance on the 3.6L for every fukking thing.

    Seriously.. as good as the 3.6L is as a goto engine.. it should not be in anything that is billed as a performance or luxury vehicle when they have better alternatives that would blow the competition away. This is a another prime place where the now defunct XTS VSport's TT 3.6L LF3 would shine. 

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    1 minute ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Take a drive in one and U will see. Its essentially a Buick S4, but better looking and waaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable. The S4 is certainly faster (0-60 4.4 sec vs 5.6) because of all that torque, but this car handles as well if not better imo. Damn GM for its simpleton reliance on the 3.6L for every fukking thing.

    Seriously.. as good as the 3.6L is as a goto engine.. it should not be in anything that is billed as a performance or luxury vehicle when they have better alternatives that would blow the competition away. This is a another prime place where the now defunct XTS VSport's TT 3.6L LF3 would shine. 

    XTS V-Sport is not defunct.  Still there as the Platinum option. 

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    12 hours ago, dfelt said:

    William, Entry / Exit, looks like a really racked windshield. Would you say taller than the national 5'8" tall average could smack their head getting into and out of the car?

    Well I happen to 5'8" and can say I can get out of the front with no issue. Can't say about the back yet.

    2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Is there anything at all compelling about it to warrant its high asking price in relation to other choices?

    That will likely be answered in my full review.

    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Can the GS mode send more torque to the rear? I thought that was a feature of that particular AWD system.

    It can, but you need to still give a fair amount of throttle to get the power sent.

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    1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Right.. but my biggest concern is WTF they are not using that SWEET engine in anything else.. including the 3.0LTT. I love GM.. I just don't get GM sometimes.

    I feel you man. I remember telling someone once that if I was to write a book on all of the boneheaded decisions made by GM, it would turn into a 26 encyclopedia set.

    29 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Do you think you might consider this an Audi "lite"?

    In terms of design, yes. Material quality? Not really as there some place where it is noticeable that GM has employed some cost-cutting measures. 

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    2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    It's funny..this car is a similar formula (midsize, AWD, V6) to a short lived model from 30 years ago..kind of the spiritual successor to the 6000 STE AWD... https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1989-pontiac-6000ste-awd-a-unicorn-s-unicorn-1682154654

    Yup! I never thought of that. Awesome observation!

    Ill just add this because there is another point I wanna make:

    And then Acura took over in that spot in the 1990s, taking market share away from Pontiac AND Oldsmobile.

    Which brings me to this point I wanna make:

    Instead of thinking this Regal GS is like an Audi lite, Im thinking this is a better successor and much better looking 2009-2014 Acura TL. 

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    58 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Do you think you might consider this an Audi "lite"?

    The Audi is much better looking IMHO....and I am not just saying that to be difficult. Between this and an A4....the Buick would not have much to offer IMHO.

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    Subaru had a V6 Legacy GT around 2005..  I think BV had one for a while.

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    I'm looking forward to reading how the Buick compares to the Stinger GT.

     

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    27 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    The Audi is much better looking IMHO....and I am not just saying that to be difficult. Between this and an A4....the Buick would not have much to offer IMHO.

    Well.. it could offer value.  An A4 at this price point is going to be fairly low end and with a 2.0T while the Buick will be loaded and a V6

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    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Well.. it could offer value.  An A4 at this price point is going to be fairly low end and with a 2.0T while the Buick will be loaded and a V6

    ...and this is the kind of response I am really looking for. I will probably never autocross again, but want a sporty comfy car for long freeway trips that also will handle well on two lane back roads.

     

    11 minutes ago, frogger said:

    Subaru had a V6 Legacy GT around 2005..  I think BV had one for a while.

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    I'm looking forward to reading how the Buick compares to the Stinger GT.

     

    You and me both!

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    2019 Regal GS to A4 

    I have to say it is very subjective as I think both cars are very nice looking, but I like the lower portion of the doors on the GS over the A4.

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    2019 GS versus A4 interior is a bit different. It is a shame that Buick cannot offer anything else but just black. Two Tone is very much needed on cars today to give a nicer more inviting interior to enjoy. I will say I HATE that LCD screen sticking up, to me this is an Afterthought on the A4, cheap bean counting last minute consideration. Kinda like the cheap approach Lincoln Aviator gives me. By now these things should be properly integrated into the Dash.

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    57 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Will read both reviews but as is....would not even darken the door of my local Buick dealer for a test drive with the Stinger on the market. 

    Open my mind and convince me....

    To Quote "Total Recall"

    OPEN YOUR MIND

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    3 hours ago, dfelt said:

     2019 GS versus A4 interior is a bit different. It is a shame that Buick cannot offer anything else but just black. Two Tone is very much needed on cars today to give a nicer more inviting interior to enjoy. 

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    Alas, the 'tablet glued to the dash' approach seems to be the way most automakers are going with their touchscreens...I prefer the integrated approach FCA does on most of their products.   I don't like all black interiors either (or all gray interiors)...too gloomy.  I prefer two tone interiors w/ a light and dark color contrasting or two light shades (like tan and lt brown)> 

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    1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Will read both reviews but as is....would not even darken the door of my local Buick dealer for a test drive with the Stinger on the market. 

    Open my mind and convince me....

    I got nothing unless you have a preference for for Buick badged Opel "FWD based transverse engine lease appliances" to borrow from Robert.

     

     

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    11 minutes ago, frogger said:

    I got nothing unless you have a preference for for Buick badged Opel "FWD based transverse engine lease appliances" to borrow from Robert.

     

     

    heh-heh..I guess I've run that one into the ground, haven't I? ;)

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    @dfelt rly? Lincoln Aviator being cheeep?

     

    cadillac xt6.

     

    cheeeeeeeep.

     

    the stinger GT mops the floor with the GS because RWD. In no way is this Buick compelling unless you get a TourX. At that point it does not compete with a Stinger.

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    27 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

    @dfelt rly? Lincoln Aviator being cheeep?

     

    cadillac xt6.

     

    cheeeeeeeep.

    Lincoln Aviator, Nice Old Retro CUV.

    I like XT6 better. My visual choice. Have to drive both to compare for physical preference, but the inside dash is retro :puke: to me.

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    You know you're a fanboy when... 

    4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Lincoln Aviator, Nice Old Retro CUV.

    I like XT6 better. My visual choice. Have to drive both to compare for physical preference, but the inside dash is retro :puke: to me.

    The only 2-3 people who have actually said nice things about the XT6 have been ridiculous Cadillac/GM fanboys.

    It's as rehashed a product as there is on the market and it's supposed to be brand new. 

    "Dare Greatly" - Really? Cadillac took ZERO chances rehashing a FWD appliance for their "marque" brand.

    4 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    The proper RWD/AWD platform and drivetrain alone make the Aviator more appealing to me than the XT6, and the styling.   Nothing retro about it that I can see.

    He says anything that isn't GM looks old or is retro so take his opinion on "retro" with a grain of salt. 

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    2 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Lincoln Aviator, Nice Old Retro CUV.

    I like XT6 better. My visual choice. Have to drive both to compare for physical preference, but the inside dash is retro :puke: to me.

    Even with my anti Ford bias Lincoln wins that one hands down.

    I really sense this Buick will be a dud. Seriously.

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    When the Koreans and fuck it...Lincoln even, I mean you expect the Koreans to rise like Japan, but even head stuck in their ass Lincoln is coming back... And Buick and Cadillac share a measly engine. 

    You like the style of the XT6 moar sure....sure... All I know is that Lincoln is doing with their crossovers what GM did with Alpha platform.

     

    So fuck yeah Camaro is the better performance car and the Mustang is a cushy pony car. 

    And the Aviator will be a true luxury SUV and the XT6 will be a cushy minivan without sliding doors. 

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    The Regal is hands down better looking than the A4. The A4 is plain boring VW-ish. Standard jelly bean. The performance of the S4 beats the Regal GS, but not the A4.

    The Stinger is a Kia. Nuff said. RWD is not the holy grail.

    XT6 looks better than the Aviator. The Aviator does triumph it in terms of cushy, and damn sure power. That said.. I like how because Lincoln, after the swing and miss MKT, MKC, MKX (Nauti), anc Continental, is suddenly beating out Cadillac because of a long over due replacement to the Navigator and platform mate to the Explorer. The current Escalade still comes off as more luxo and commanding with a new one on the way on less than a year,,, done

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    Kia nuff said? What's funny is how Kia can market a RWD car and make it viable but Chevy brought the SS and it was to GM not worth continuing. 

    BTW THE Buick Regal... Is not even an American engineered car. I believe the operative word was 'fukk the Germans. Eff 'em'

    And of course Opel is now a Peugeot. There's nothing American other than a badge engineer that designed the Buick badge (probably from China too).

    I have reasons to believe there's moar American and proper German engineering put into a Kia than a Buick. So sad.

     ?

    If you are a GM, red blooded Pax Americanan - You would hate the Regal. 

    C'mon Toyota buys it's sports cars from Subaru and BMW now, how the hell is the Regal different in terms of the process of calling it a Buick the same way Toyota calls those cars 'Toyotas' because Buick buys the Regal from the French.and because GM

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    6 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

    Kia nuff said? What's funny is how Kia can market a RWD car and make it viable but Chevy brought the SS and it was to GM not worth continuing. 

    BTW THE Buick Regal... Is not even an American engineered car. I believe the operative word was 'fukk the Germans. Eff 'em'

    And of course Opel is now a Peugeot. There's nothing American other than a badge engineer that designed the Buick badge (probably from China too).

    I have reasons to believe there's moar American and proper German engineering put into a Kia than a Buick. So sad.

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    If you are a GM, red blooded Pax Americanan - You would hate the Regal. 

    C'mon Toyota buys it's sports cars from Subaru and BMW now, how the hell is the Regal different in terms of the process of calling it a Buick the same way Toyota calls those cars 'Toyotas' because Buick buys the Regal from the French.and because GM

     

    Nope. As along as Opel was owned by GM it was American.  All the engineering was American. Simple as that. When they sold Opel the engineering was still GM's, U are an idiot for trying to argue otherwise. 

    Now.. the SS, or rather rebodied Pontiac G8/Commodore, which was around from 2006 til 2017 was killed off because unlike FCA, GM chooses to bring new platforms to the market and kill old ones that have been around for 10 years. That is longer than the Stinger has been around.  The SS still doesn't negate the fact that GM still has RWD sedans within the company.. within the brand I'd buy them from.. so in the end scenario... the hell I care that the Chevy folks can't have a Kia competitor as long as I'm happy?

    BTW.. where is your Stinger, or Chevy SS.. hell.. used Charger? If U're gonna defend RWD at least show pics of yours.. otherwise U are just pushing hot stinky air out of that trap

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    10 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    The Stinger is a Kia. Nuff said. RWD is not the holy grail.

    Funny, neither is singling out an entire brand just because it's not "your" brand. 

    FWD Buick or RWD Kia.. Hmmmm 

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    52 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Funny, neither is singling out an entire brand just because it's not "your" brand. 

    FWD Buick or RWD Kia.. Hmmmm 

    Or a car like the A4 or Stinger...or a car like the Regal...kind of like Aubrey Plaza whom I liked in the other thread vs. the grouchy and dowdy lady who takes your money at the DMV. 

    Lincoln so owns the segment with the Aviator...and the new Navi is fantastic. 

    1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

     

    BTW.. where is your Stinger, or Chevy SS.. hell.. used Charger? If U're gonna defend RWD at least show pics of yours.. otherwise U are just pushing hot stinky air out of that trap

    Reality has little bearing on most of our discussions here. Stop trying to confuse the matter. 

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Funny, neither is singling out an entire brand just because it's not "your" brand. 

    FWD Buick or RWD Kia.. Hmmmm 

    Well I single it out because its been my experience that everyone I know who has a Kia/Hyun has eventually had a POS that need to be towed to a shop. I don't like their derivative styling.. I don't like where they come from.. I don;t see anything compelling about them. I always laugh my ass off when people act as if a company that has been here for 33 years has suddenly accomplished something because they are building cars that don't look like they are from a third world country anymore. Well guess what??? It isn't hard to buy a better engineered car, tear it down, and build it similar so as to avoid infringement suits. Its also not hard to steal designs and augment them either. Fukk Hyundai.. they lost my respect years ago.. but when they did this.. there was no more redemption possible.

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    44 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Well I single it out because its been my experience that everyone I know who has a Kia/Hyun has eventually had a POS that need to be towed to a shop. I don't like their derivative styling.. I don't like where they come from.. I don;t see anything compelling about them. I always laugh my ass off when people act as if a company that has been here for 33 years has suddenly accomplished something because they are building cars that don't look like they are from a third world country anymore. Well guess what??? It isn't hard to buy a better engineered car, tear it down, and build it similar so as to avoid infringement suits. Its also not hard to steal designs and augment them either. Fukk Hyundai.. they lost my respect years ago.. but when they did this.. there was no more redemption possible.

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    Much as I like the Stinger...parked a relatives Jaguar next to one in a swanky part of Fort Lauderdale...if the Stinger was any more British it would run on tea and crumpets rather than Petrol.

    The one somewhat unique car they build the Veloster seems to have been drawn by Pablo Picasso on meth.

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    20 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Will read both reviews but as is....would not even darken the door of my local Buick dealer for a test drive with the Stinger on the market. 

    Open my mind and convince me....

    Go to the Genesis dealer and check out the more refined (than the stinger) G70

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    22 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Go to the Genesis dealer and check out the more refined (than the stinger) G70

    I am starting to like this car (G70). Saw one in Columbus the other day and started feeling the goose-bumpish stuff I normally only feel for Pontiac GTO and Mazda Miata level cars...

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    19 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Lincoln Aviator, Nice Old Retro CUV.

    I like XT6 better. My visual choice. Have to drive both to compare for physical preference, but the inside dash is retro :puke: to me.

    Guys, I think he's thinking of this Aviator

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    41 minutes ago, William Maley said:

    Guys, I think he's thinking of this Aviator

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    Holy Sch!%% Sherlock...when you cast shade....you don't eff around. I am glad I am not your wife....I would hate to be in a marital dispute with you. Best come back in twelve years on C and G.

     

    Has anyone ever thought that maybe by accepting sub par products from carmakers we enable mediocrity? in 1970...we would not have accepted a badge engineered Opel/Peugeot for a Buick....or a Wreath and Crest slapped on a Pontiac Safari wagon for a Cadillac....but if we accept the GS and the XT6 that is kind of what we are doing.

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    On 1/31/2019 at 9:24 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

    Do you think you might consider this an Audi "lite"?

    wow, the Regal GS is just more of a 2019 version of front wheel drive something GM may have put out in 2001, 2002.

     

    So much potential here, but it needs more work and a real performance powertrain to be anything other than what lots of reviews have said, its just a tarted up puff cruiser.  It doesn't make it a bad car its just not hardly much more evolved than say an SSE or something like that.

    The 2.0 is a better drive, especially just in front drive, so they should make "Regal Sport Touring" with the GS body work, hot looks, normal AGR seats from Europe and 2.0 engine.  If they ever take the new Cadillac 2.0 and tune it for 300hp, that would be a riot to drop in this chassis.  the new Cadillac 2.0 right now is down on power but it actually revs quickly and is smooth, not that the current 2.0 isn't its just that GM actually did improve the new engine in that regard.  Sport Touring wagon would be a great choice to have also.

     

    https://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/topic/91155-driven-2018-buick-regal-sportback-gs-36-awd-and-regal-tourx-essence-20t-awd/

     

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    Lolololoi oohhhhh if Opel was so American why did GM never make any money off of it and sell it off?

    Eff Opel. Eff it. It's no longer a real GM, and that's why it's an awful Buick, and the Lacrosse with decent deals is the better car, more luxo in every way, more car and more better and also made in America...till it's not. No kraut assembled that car, and Chinese buyers love American brands, that's why the Lacrosse prints money there. 

    For the same money I would get the Lax over the Stinger. But for the same money I would get the Stinger over the Regal GS. Therefores this is a tautology. Its true cos it's true. Simple math. 2+2....-2= 0+2

     

    Da real GM is da real GM and deep GM going away.

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    17 hours ago, regfootball said:

    wow, the Regal GS is just more of a 2019 version of front wheel drive something GM may have put out in 2001, 2002.

     

    So much potential here, but it needs more work and a real performance powertrain to be anything other than what lots of reviews have said, its just a tarted up puff cruiser.  It doesn't make it a bad car its just not hardly much more evolved than say an SSE or something like that.

    The 2.0 is a better drive, especially just in front drive, so they should make "Regal Sport Touring" with the GS body work, hot looks, normal AGR seats from Europe and 2.0 engine.  If they ever take the new Cadillac 2.0 and tune it for 300hp, that would be a riot to drop in this chassis.  the new Cadillac 2.0 right now is down on power but it actually revs quickly and is smooth, not that the current 2.0 isn't its just that GM actually did improve the new engine in that regard.  Sport Touring wagon would be a great choice to have also.

     

    https://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/topic/91155-driven-2018-buick-regal-sportback-gs-36-awd-and-regal-tourx-essence-20t-awd/

     

    SSEi  Bonneville was a better looking car...more American...probably better fuel economy real world...I would hazard a guess more fun to drive. We have lost ground.

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    On 2/1/2019 at 1:45 PM, regfootball said:

    wow, the Regal GS is just more of a 2019 version of front wheel drive something GM may have put out in 2001, 2002.

    So much potential here, but it needs more work and a real performance powertrain to be anything other than what lots of reviews have said, its just a tarted up puff cruiser.  It doesn't make it a bad car its just not hardly much more evolved than say an SSE or something like that.

    The 2.0 is a better drive, especially just in front drive, so they should make "Regal Sport Touring" with the GS body work, hot looks, normal AGR seats from Europe and 2.0 engine.  If they ever take the new Cadillac 2.0 and tune it for 300hp, that would be a riot to drop in this chassis.  the new Cadillac 2.0 right now is down on power but it actually revs quickly and is smooth, not that the current 2.0 isn't its just that GM actually did improve the new engine in that regard.  Sport Touring wagon would be a great choice to have also.

     

    https://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/topic/91155-driven-2018-buick-regal-sportback-gs-36-awd-and-regal-tourx-essence-20t-awd/

     

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    I'm kind of feeling this way as my week goes on with the Regal GS. I do like the various improvements Buick has made, but I feel they could have done. Its a great grand tourer, but a sports sedan that Buick is trying to present... Not quite so much.

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    32 minutes ago, William Maley said:

    I'm kind of feeling this way as my week goes on with the Regal GS. I do like the various improvements Buick has made, but I feel they could have done. Its a great grand tourer, but a sports sedan that Buick is trying to present... Not quite so much.

    Is it a case of us wanting it to BE a sports sedan. Mistaken identity, perhaps.

    As per your assesment, its a great grand tourer, and perhaps THAT is what Buick was aiming for to begin with yet us, WE wanted it to be a sports sedan.

    Kinda like the way we thought the Ford Fusion Sport would be an Audi S4 competitor JUST because we saw AWD, turbo V6 and "Sport" nomenclature on it...but alas the Fusion Sport makes for a poor sports sedan but an excellent V6 turbo, family, hauling, family sedan. And we chastized it for being a poor sports sedan yet we failed to praise it for what it reaaly is. A V6 family sedan.

    In derfense of Ford, Ford NEVER made that connection, we did. Ford just slapped on "Sport" on it and WE went  with the wild fantasy thoughts.

    Does Buick market this as a sports sedan? I do not know this answer. But maybe Buick just wants the Regal GS JUST to be a grand tourer.  Its kinda like I mean, all these years and I thought the Toyobarus had a Toyota 4 cylinder under the hood...for real. 

    Just a thought that I had.

     

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    On 1/31/2019 at 8:53 PM, Cmicasa the Great said:

    The Regal is hands down better looking than the A4. The A4 is plain boring VW-ish. Standard jelly bean. The performance of the S4 beats the Regal GS, but not the A4.

    The Stinger is a Kia. Nuff said. RWD is not the holy grail.

    XT6 looks better than the Aviator. The Aviator does triumph it in terms of cushy, and damn sure power. That said.. I like how because Lincoln, after the swing and miss MKT, MKC, MKX (Nauti), anc Continental, is suddenly beating out Cadillac because of a long over due replacement to the Navigator and platform mate to the Explorer. The current Escalade still comes off as more luxo and commanding with a new one on the way on less than a year,,, done

    “The Stinger is a Kia”. With all due respect, you are way underestimating the Stinger. At least Kia will sell a RWD four door with some balls to it, IN A CUV DOMINANT MARKET, while GM pulled their best RWD sport sedan (the SS, which I love btw) because well, they never really gave it a fair shot in the first place. The point is further evidenced that there is no planned replacement for it (the SS) either, despite the possession of a viable RWD platform to on which to create one so your “GM chooses to bring new platforms to the market and kill old ones that have been around for 10 years” argument. Well, where is it? Also, if they like dumping 10 year old platforms, then explain the Cascadia and every other Buick that has been borrowed from the now defunct Opel? I get that you’re a huge GM fan and there are plenty of GM cars and trucks that I do like but they have laid some rotten eggs as well as having held on to old ness for longer than need be. Every car company has done it from where I stand. Just laying out some reality here.

     

    I won’t even get into the XT6. Seriously, I never get in one of those.

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    2 hours ago, William Maley said:

    I'm kind of feeling this way as my week goes on with the Regal GS. I do like the various improvements Buick has made, but I feel they could have done. Its a great grand tourer, but a sports sedan that Buick is trying to present... Not quite so much.

    and it's funny because all the car press reviews kind of say the same thing, too.

    2 hours ago, William Maley said:

    I'm kind of feeling this way as my week goes on with the Regal GS. I do like the various improvements Buick has made, but I feel they could have done. Its a great grand tourer, but a sports sedan that Buick is trying to present... Not quite so much.

    read these and it sort of sums it up nicely

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a21272878/2018-buick-regal-gs-test-review/

    the last paragraph of that one in particular ^^^^  and these parts 

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    So, too, is the GS overall. While this Regal is 202 pounds lighter than the last all-wheel-drive GS we tested back in 2014, its curb weight still nears two tons. By comparison, a front-drive, four-cylinder Regal Sportback we tested was 394 pounds lighter.

    Buick makes life even harder for the GS by fitting the standard Sportback with the turbocharged 2.0-liter four from the previous-generation Regal Turbo and GS models. Making 250 horsepower, the four-pot scoots a front-drive Regal to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds, quicker than Acura’s 290-hp TLX and Toyota’s 301-hp Camry. In the fight between the GS’s substantial mass and its 60-hp boost over the Sportback, the engine loses. Despite the advantage of an all-wheel-drive launch, this sportiest Regal is only 0.2 second quicker to 60 mph than its Sportback sibling.

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    The GS isn’t an extravagantly improved Regal, which is sort of okay given how composed the base car drives. It’s just false advertising.

    http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/20324/2018-buick-regal-gs-review-a-sporty-chassis-let-down-by-its-drivetrain

    https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-buick-regal-gs-is-surprisingly-great-1826640692

    there is such a dearth of sports sedans that really do venture into sport sedan territory and we GM fans had so hoped this might actually be one.

    I am very looking forward to all Williams thoughts when he is done driving it.

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I attached the red and black wires to the circuit breaker, installed the ground wire and then installed the circuit breaker into the panel. I also at this time wrapped each wire from the laundry outlet in proper electrical tap and a wire twist to add additional protection and secured them out of the way in the panel corner. I also at this time used my torque screwdriver to ensure proper torque on the wires. With the installation completed at the panel side, I turned back on the 200-amp circuit enabling the house to have power and was time to go enable the charger unit. Here ChargePoint+ has an outstanding cellphone app to enable you to finish up the setup of the charger. I was able to connect to the unit via WiFi and set the unit to 70 amp circuit hardwired. I also then connected it to my house WiFi for internet access. This allowed me to do a update on the unit for software. Here ChargePoint has on the left side of the unit indicators for WiFi connection. Green is good and as you can see in the picture above, I have WiFi connection and the alert is showing green so no issues with the charger. Upon using the regular ChargePoint software app on my smartphone I was able to complete setting up an account and final configuration of my charger as a home charger unit. The unit is green when not in use but ready to be used. During Charging the unit is a pulsing blue. At this point, I had a functional Level 2 240V 50amp hardwired home EV charger with CCS connector. What did this cost me, simple a total of $1,032.23 Level 2 ChargePoint+ Home Flex hardwired charger: $549.99 plus $54.99 sales tax before $200.00 rebate. Total Cost of Materials: $391.77 which was from Home Depot & Lowe's. Tools bought for the job: $110.48 which comprised of a 6 AWG wire striper and a Torque Screwdriver set from Harbor Freight. Electrical Permit: $125 from the city. Best part of this is the cheap charging we get at home at .10 cents per kW. The ChargePoint app allows me to track and monitor in real time our costs and amount used, so it will make it easy to subtract it from the electrical bill to see the house use versus the EV. The app shows that I am constantly at the 11kW controller capabilities of home charging from Kia. This brings me back to why I titled this the Good, Bad and the Ugly. New Service request is the ugly as the costs of the new service from my power supplier has costs that have never been talked about before to me and I still have to pay for the electrical use which makes this the ugly when you are looking at a five figure cost. The bad is clearly adding the new service panel and the associated costs to an electrical company to do the work, pretty much double what the auto industry has stated having a Level 2 home charger installed would actually cost. Good is for those of you who are willing to learn and do the work, a DIY install is in my humble opinion a very cheap way to go even though it did take a chunk of my time, I have no regrets about learning the process to install and dealing with my city on installation. End result is a quality home charger that will serve me well for many years. Please post any questions or comments, happy to respond on this personal journey into home charging of my EV. View full article
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