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    Interactive Review: 2020 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate

      One flat tire isn't going to stop our latest interactive review.

    First off, sorry for not posting an interactive review last week. My day job kept me busy and I needed some time to recharge. Nevertheless, you'll be hearing more about the Lexus RC F and its yellow paint color in a few weeks time as a quick drive review. In the meantime, let me introduce to latest vehicle to enter C&G's Detroit garage, the 2020 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate.

    This packs a 5.0L V8 engine with 420 horsepower and 460 pound-feet of torque, paired with an eight-speed automatic. My test car is rear-wheel drive, but you can order all-wheel drive. The Ultimate brings everything to the G90, minus the kitchen sink. There is power-adjustable rear seats with memory; power window shades, 12-3-inch infotainment system, adaptive cruise control with stop and go; and much more. Price? $76,695 with a $995.00 freight charge. 

    Now this weeklong evaluation didn't get off to the best of starts. I got a flat tire on the first night as I was driving home from an errand. I don't know if I picked up a nail or something in the tire, but it had to be replaced. A big thank you goes out to Driveshop (the company who is providing all of these vehicles for this run) and Suburban Genesis and Hyundai for getting this done in about a day.

    Once over that, here are some first impressions.

    • I can't help but think of the Lincoln Contiental with the G90's design in terms of the profile and certain design touches.
    • The large diamond shape grille doesn't look as comical as it does in pictures. But I can see it being a point of contention.
    • I do wish Genesis had added the 12.3-inch digital cluster that will be going into the upcoming G80 and GV80.
    • V8 is very smooth and quiet, though the twin-turbo V6 is slightly quicker.

    I'll have more updates throughout the next few days, barring any other sort of incident. In the meantime, if you have questions, drop them below and I'll do my best to answer them.

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    Impressive.  Too bad Cadillac prematurely killed off the CT6 after only three years.

    Also, too bad the G90 (fka Equus) did not come out about 15 years ago.  Probably would have given a lot of luxury makes a run for their money.  Now the GV80 (and presumably a GV90 and GV70) will have to do just that.

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    No need to apologize.  We appreciate your continued commitment to the site.  The G90 is a massive car, old school in the very best way.  It's the type of car missed by Lincoln and Cadillac owners of yore.

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    WOW, The American brands need to pay attention to this car. European needs to watch as this is hot.

    Normal questions from the Sasquatch of the site.

    • Headroom, hip room and Leg room for tall large people?
    • Is the dash intuitive?
    • Seat's, comfy lazy boy style, Ricardo racer style or somewhere in between?
    • Road and wind noise, just how quiet is it?
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    There is a shortage of big, comfortable cars since most are the sport sedan so I think this will have appeal to those that want a traditional American luxury car, even though this isn’t American.  This sort of sits alone in the market but I don’t know if there are enough buyers left for this sort of vehicle.

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    Ugh that polarizing front-end and grille, every time I see it it looks worse. The back quarter view and rear end definitely have that Lincoln Continental vibe. Such a basic cheap looking steering wheel for a luxury car. I can't see them moving many of these here in the U.S.

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    3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    Largish RWD sedan w/ a 5.0 V8...this is exactly the sort of sedan Lincoln needs....

    Cadillac needs it more, especially since the Lexus LS went V6 a few years back (see LS500 vs. LS460).

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    On 9/19/2020 at 8:33 PM, David said:
    • Headroom, hip room and Leg room for tall large people?
    • Is the dash intuitive?
    • Seat's, comfy lazy boy style, Ricardo racer style or somewhere in between?
    • Road and wind noise, just how quiet is it?
    1. I think basketball players will have no issue with space in the G90. The back seat is massive with plenty of head and legroom. And if you're sitting behind the front passenger seat, you can move it forward to increase legroom. (Note, the front seat has to be empty)
    2. Very much so. I do wish the touchscreen for infotainment system wasn't pushed as far back.
    3. More lazyboy style, which is appropriate for this type of car. 
    4. Very quiet. You may hear a slight hum of tire if you're on a rough stretch of road.
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    22 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Ooooh, this is one I’ve wanted to get in. They’ll depreciate like mad, so maybe in a few years.

    Probably when 3 years old these will be $30k, which will be a great deal.

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    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Probably when 3 years old these will be $30k, which will be a great deal.

    True, unlike 4 year old Mercedes S-class that from 120k drops to 40k but still crappy buy because will cost a fortune to repair.

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    Final thoughts as the G90 drives away from me today:

    • I'll admit I was surprised that I got 24.7 mpg in the G90 5.0 for the week. I double checked the figure I got with the 3.3T AWD from 2018 and that landed around 20.3. Think a bit of highway driving helped in this case.
    • Handling is not a strong suit of the G90. But it does provide an excellent demonstration of Neuton's for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
    • I found myself using the standard home screen and not the CarPlay one. The new infotainment system used in Genesis and Hyundai vehicles is a real step forward in terms of design.
    • Wondering when the next-generation G90 is expected...
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      The 86's exterior has undergone some significant changes. The most apparent is the front where the front bumper has been swapped to give the coupe a slightly more aggressive look. There are also new headlights with the "86" logo seen on the outside edge. These changes, along with a rear wing really help the 86 still look quite fresh. A feat when you take into consideration that this car, along with its sister, the Subaru BRZ has been around for eight years. The interior boasts a new steering wheel, updated instrument cluster with a color trip computer; and a seven-inch touchscreen radio featuring Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility.  Trying to find a comfortable position the 86 took longer than I expected due to the limited amount of adjustments on offer. The sport seats provide excellent bolstering to hold you in during enthusiastic driving but falter in terms of comfort when it comes to long drives. As for the back seat, I would only recommend it for either very small kids or extra storage space. We come to the key weak point of the 86, the engine. It is the 2.0L Flat-Four from Subaru which produces 205 horsepower and 156 pound-feet of torque when equipped with the six-speed manual - figures drop by five when equipped with the automatic. Not much has changed in the performance department. At low speeds, the 86 goes along merrily. But then the power band falls off a cliff and you're left wondering when it will come back.  It doesn't help that the engine note of the 2.0L sounds like a bucket of bolts dumped into a dryer. This doesn't encourage wanting to climb higher in the rev band and giving the illusion of going faster - something Mazda does quite well with the MX-5 Miata. On my test car, an optional TRD exhaust was fitted and it somehow makes the noise worse. It sounded like a group of cats fighting one another to get that prime spot in the box from an Amazon delivery. The manual transmission does not like being shifted quickly as it becomes slightly stiff and bulky. Go slowly and the gear lever responds with a smooth and positive feel. An option that was ticked on this vehicle was the TRD handling package which adds a set of SACHS dampers. The SACHS do make an improvement in terms of body control as the 86 doesn't really exhibit any sort of roll. What you get a vehicle that is fun to toss in the corners. Helping out is the steering that responds quickly and provides a decent feel. But there is a downside to the TRD Handling package and that is the ride quality. I found the FR-S to be quite stiff and transmit most bumps and road imperfections. This package only increases the frequency and impact them. I would highly recommend driving a standard 86 against one with the Handling Pack to see which one you would prefer. The 86 GT starts at $30,115 and my tester with the two TRD options and some other items stickers at $34,783. If you drop the TRD options, then it becomes slightly better at just under $32,000.  Who is the 86 for? The obvious answer to this is someone who wants something fun to drive but doesn't have that much to spend. Of course, there are other options that offer more performance, the 86 shines on a winding road. But as someone pointed out in our interactive review, the 86 is a good option for someone who wants a blank canvas. This and the BRZ have a large aftermarket which means an owner can build their coupe to their desires. Want to upgrade the suspension and brakes? There are parts available. Feel like dropping in a larger engine? That is possible. It's a blank canvas ready for someone to make it their own. Disclaimer: Toyota Provided the 86, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2020
      Make: Toyota
      Model: 86
      Trim: GT
      Engine: 2.0L DOHC D-4S 16-Valve Flat-Four
      Driveline: Six-Speed Manual, Rear-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 205 @ 7,000
      Torque @ RPM: 156 @ 6,400
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 21/28/24
      Curb Weight: 2,817 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Ota, Gumma, Japan
      Base Price: $30,115
      As Tested Price: $34,783 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      TRD Handling Package - $1,270.00
      TRD Exhaust System - $1,100.00
      TRD Sway Bar - $550.00
      Special Color - $425.00
      Center Armrest - $199.00
      All-Weather Floor Mats - $169.00

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