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Upon checking out a few Lucernes, I finally began to realize something. My Millenia rocks. :D

Now, first off, let's ignore the obvious.. The Lucerne is a much bigger car, so things related to that, are not being compared. Also, being that my Millenia is not a top of the line model, but loaded otherwise. I compared it to a Lucerne that also wasn't top of the line, but loaded as well. Essentially the best you can get without the Northstar V8, the V6 CXL. Back in the day, my Millenia had an MSRP of $28,895 while the MSRP of a Lucerne CXL V6 is $29,280. A Millenia is similar in size to large Buicks of 1995, but still just midsize. Millenias were first built back in 93 as 94 models outside of the US. Lucernes were first built in 05, as 06 models. Keep all that in mind. Alright, now to good stuff, that makes Buick look laugable in a way.

First, let's compare the exterior. We have projector headlights and fogs versus standard issue headlights and no foglights. All other exterior comparisons would most likely favor the Lucerne being that it is 11-12 years newer, like the power antenae versus the better roof mounted integral antennae, hood prop versus the better hood struts, the aero lift handles versus the better pull handles, and the 15 inch wheels vs the better (similar being the Lucerne is a much bigger vehicle) 17 inch wheels.

Second, let's compare mechanicals. We have a DOHC V6 versus a pushrod V6. We have 4spd tranny with hold versus regular 4spd tranny. All other mechanical comparisons would most likely favor, or be equal to, the Lucerne being that it is 11-12 years newer like no autoload leveling vs autoload leveling, regular washer fluid versus heated washer fluid, manual wipers versus rain sensing wipers, power exterior mirrors versus power heated exterior mirrors. Otherwise, both have 4 wheel independent suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes with ABS, and traction control.

Third, let's compare the interior, where the Millenia undoubtly has the advantage. Sad since this is comparing a 12 year old Mazda to a new Buick. We have soft touch dash pastic versus hard dash plastic. We have velvet finish black plastic versus GM cheap black plastic. We have real wood versus fake wood. We have floormats with "Millenia" versus regular floormats. We have integrated door storage bins versus non integrated door storage bins. We have lighted key ring, power outlet, ash tray, door entry, glovebox, vanity mirrors, front and rear map, rear courtesy, dome, and trunk versus lighted glovebox, vanity mirrors, front and rear map, front footwell, dome, rear courtesy, and trunk. We have 10 storage compartments (8 of which enclosed/hidden) versus 7 storage compartments (only 3 of which enclosed/hidden). We have an auto/memory power tilt steering column with infinite positions versus manual tilt steering column with 7 positions. We have a Panasonic reciever with cassette and 6 cd changer versus GM "let's put it in all our vehicles" reciever with 6 cd changer. Now whats equal. Both have professional audio systems with 9 speakers, Millenia with Bose and Lucerne with Harman/Kardon. Both have hidden cup holders. Both have front driver and passenger 8 way heated power seats. Both have automatic climate control. Both have theft deterrent systems. Both have leather wrapped steering wheels and shift nobs, as well as leather inserts on the doors. Both have driver express down power windows. Now where the Lucerne has the advantage, most likely due to it being 11-12 years newer with features only recently available in any vehicle. We have driver and passenger front air bags versus the better driver and passenger front/side/curtain airbags. We have no park assist versus the better rear parking assist. We have no tire mon sys versus the better tire monitering system. We have regular am/fm versus the better XM radio. We have no homelink system versus the better Onstar. We have regular rear view mirror versus better automatic dimming rear view mirror. We have regular power seats versus better memory power seats. We have no compass versus better compass. We have regular manual starting versus better remote keyless starting.

So... This either makes Mazda look really good or makes Buick look really bad. :P

Edited by blackviper8891

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Actually, I looked at interior dimensions and well... The Lucerne may be bigger on the outside, but not on the inside. So, I guess there's no reason not to compare these anymore.

Millenia versus Lucerne

-Exterior dimensions:

wheelbase.............. 108.3 vs 115.6

front track............... 59.80 vs 63.00

rear track............... 59.80 vs 62.50

length..................... 189.8 vs 203.2

width...................... 69.70 vs 73.80

height..................... 54.90 vs 58.00

-Internal dimensions:

front headroom........ 39.92 vs 39.50

rear headroom........ 37.60 vs 37.70

front leg room.......... 44.00 vs 42.50

rear leg room.......... 34.64 vs 41.40

front shoulder room.. 56.00 vs 58.00

rear shoulder room... 55.08 vs 57.00

The only real advantage the Lucerne has is rear legroom due to its longer wheelbase.

:lol:

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Know what's even saddder?...?

The fact that my 1990 Diesel Sierra will soon get better combined fuel mileage than your Millenia. :P:rolleyes:^_^

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Actually, my fuel mileage is on the rise. I'm actually getting inbetween the EPA rated city and highway mileage. Yeah! Haha... new spark plugs, an overdue oil change, and STP fuel injector cleaner is actually good for something. :lol: Sad, I know. :D:P

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Have you taken into account inflation? There's a 12 year gap between your car and the Lucerne. What would your Millenia cost if it were still built today? What would a Lucerne have cost had it been built in 1995?

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According to the inflation calculator:

What cost $28895 in 1995 would cost $35950.29 in 2005.

So, your Millenia was more expensive, by quite a bit actually.

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And if we bring the Lucerne back to 1995:

What cost $29280 in 2005 would cost $23533.77 in 1995.

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According to the inflation calculator:

What cost $28895 in 1995 would cost $35950.29 in 2005.

So, your Millenia was more expensive, by quite a bit actually.

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So basically you'd be getting a Lucerne CXS for the price of a mid-range Millenia.

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Essentially, yes.

Comparisons like that are cute, but if you ignore inflation, they're meaningless. That's like saying "I could've bought two 1952 Cadillacs for the price of a Hyundai Accent!"

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Have you taken into account inflation? There's a 12 year gap between your car and the Lucerne. What would your Millenia cost if it were still built today? What would a Lucerne have cost had it been built in 1995?

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I wasn't even comparing that. I just included the prices for the hell of it. :P

Technically, though, the MRSP for my Millenia is difficult to compare to the MRSP of a Lucerne. The Millenia I have, was loaded from the MRSP. It had very little options. With the Lucerne, though, it has loads of options with very little standard equipment for that model. The very very base model Millenia had an MRSP $25,995. Considering the Millenia smacks the Lucerne in so many ways, I think being slightly more expensive is definitely justified.

You guys just don't want to admit it. :D

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'Slightly' is not $6000. Comparing things rote dimensions doesn't tell you much more than using EPA passenger volume figures to say your car is 'roomier' than another. First, its false because roominess is a subjective trait. Second, everyone is built differently, so two people the same height may actually sit differently. Third, your assessment that the Lucerne is only 'larger' by legroom is false. Reread your own figures.

Hope you're having fun.

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'Slightly' is not $6000. Comparing things rote dimensions doesn't tell you much more than using EPA passenger volume figures to say your car is 'roomier' than another. First, its false because roominess is a subjective trait. Second, everyone is built differently, so two people the same height may actually sit differently. Third, your assessment that the Lucerne is only 'larger' by legroom is false. Reread your own figures.

Hope you're having fun.

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Slightly is $2500. As far as volumes, I didn't say anything about it. I just compared figures and saw how the Lucerne is so much bigger on the outside, but barely bigger on the inside. I also didnt say it's only bigger in legroom. I said the only real advantage it has is rear legroom. All other figures have either too small of a difference to note, or it gets beat by the Millenia.

I am having fun, though. It's funny to see you guys come up with excuses to justify how laughable the Lucerne is compared to a 12 year old midsize Mazda. Other than things that the Lucerne has due to advancements in technology that werent largely available until recently and its longer wheelbase and slight advantage in price, according to the deflated figure of the Lucerne. There's simply no reason my Millenia should even be comparable to a new fullsize Buick, yet it beats or matches it in many areas and, as I've said over and over, it only gets beat due to advancements in technology (where if the Millenia would have been produced today, it most likely would have).

Again, I laugh and start to appreciate my Millenia even more.

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What would be an interesting comparison would be to compare the features of the Millenia against a Park Avenue of the same year...

A coworker of mine had a Millenia back in '97-98 or so...pretty nice car, seemed very well equipped.

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If the only way to appreciate your own vehicle is to beat up on other ones that don't even compete, then that is sad.

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Oh no... it just makes me appreciate it even more than I already do. I love my Millenia, like you love your Aurora and you've beat up on others. It just so happens that my Millenia is so competitive with a 12 year newer vehicle that's in a segment above where the Millenia would compete. It just makes the Lucerne look so sad. :P

What would be an interesting comparison would be to compare the features of the Millenia against a Park Avenue of the same year...

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Yeah... but that'd be even sadder. I thought about it, though.

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What would be an interesting comparison would be to compare the features of the Millenia against a Park Avenue of the same year...

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It would. And it is...

1995 Buick Park Avenue Ultra vs. 1995 Mazda Millenia S

=Similar features

+15hp

+65lb/ft torque (from a real supercharger)

+More room in all dimensions

+6cu.ft. trunk space

+Load-leveling suspension

All for about $2,000 less.

Also, in the practical sense, the likelihood of finding a Millenia that hasn't been trashed and thrashed by some lease-happy tool these days is very rare. The chances of finding a pristine, low-mileage pampered Park Ave is almost the way things are.

Have a nice day.

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On an unrelated note, assuming the Aurora I'm trying my damned hardest to get is just a base model with a few options making the total cost just over thirty-two thousand dollars, it would cost just over forty-grand today. Damn.

Now let's see how much of a steal it is tommarow. :D :AH-HA_wink:

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It would. And it is...

1995 Buick Park Avenue Ultra vs. 1995 Mazda Millenia S

=Similar features

+15hp

+65lb/ft torque (from a real supercharger)

+More room in all dimensions

+6cu.ft. trunk space

+Load-leveling suspension

All for about $2,000 less.

Also, in the practical sense, the likelihood of finding a Millenia that hasn't been trashed and thrashed by some lease-happy tool these days is very rare. The chances of finding a pristine, low-mileage pampered Park Ave is almost the way things are.

Have a nice day.

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Except, I compared alot more than just that. I compared things like materials, practicallity, technology, etc.

Still, as far as what you posted. That extra power is to make up for the extra weight. I dont doubt the room since the Park Avenue was designed with the typical geriatric in mind. I'd like to see a side by side comparision, though. I bet it has more room, but not by much. There's no denying the Millenia was packaged excellently. As far as the "real" supercharger comment goes. Your right. It is a real supercharger and it gets gas mileage you'd expect from a real supercharger. The Miller Cycle supercharger is very efficient in that it adds a whole lot more power without sacrificing fuel economy. Probably why owners with the MC 2.3L report better gas mileage than those with the 2.5L. And let's compare the 3.8L SC vs the 2.3L MC. Look at the displacement difference, yet it doesn't lack that much power, and certainly gets better gas mileage. Oh look. Millenia wins again.

As far as that last comment. I know you love living in Florida and all, but you should stop saying things that only relate to that state, which is filled with terrible drivers, just going by you own words. Course, you can't help that only geriatrics gave the PA any love, while the Millenia had a "real" buyer base.

Have a nice day. :D

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