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Should GM Move It's Global Headquarters?

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OK, I'm going to open up a big can of worms, but hey it's part of my charm, plus I have a big can opener. :AH-HA_wink:

Would you support GM moving it's Global Headquarters to another region and out of North America, say to either GM Eruope's headquarters or GM Asia-Pacific's headquarters, this would help in taking away GM's stigma of being an American auto maker and truly make it a global company. This would be something akin to what Oldsmobile did, when it didn't put Oldsmobile on it's products. GM would be saying we are a Global company, by taking GM out of North America, so to speak. So what are your thoughts on it, would you support such a move? :scratchchin:

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Nah, they have spent too much money upgrading the RenCen.

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Absolutely not! This is true buffoonery at its worst! Why in the hell would GM go through such an unnecessary expenditure as that just to combat a *perceived* negative perception. GM: the negative perception is not country or origin, it is $h!ty product. Instead of wasting money relocating global HQs, spend it on the product.

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Absolutely not! This is true buffoonery at its worst! Why in the hell would GM go through such an unnecessary expenditure as that just to combat a *perceived* negative perception. GM: the negative perception is not country or origin, it is $h!ty product. Instead of wasting money relocating global HQs, spend it on the product.

For real. Give us more vehicles like the G8, CTS, and Malibu across the board and suddenly, there's no need to fight some silly stigma.

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Wasn't GM's HQ in NYC for a long time?

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Absolutely not! This is true buffoonery at its worst! Why in the hell would GM go through such an unnecessary expenditure as that just to combat a *perceived* negative perception. GM: the negative perception is not country or origin, it is $h!ty product. Instead of wasting money relocating global HQs, spend it on the product.

Agreed 100%

Such a move would be tantamount to admitting not only is GM second class but that the US is as well. This isn't true and would piss me off beyond reason.

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Absolutely, positively not. Taking GM's HQ out of the US takes away my reason for supporting the company. In my view, having HHRs built in Mexico or G8s sourced from Australia has always meant little as the profit from the sale goes back to a company with an American home. If Asia's their new home, I'll view GM as no better than Toyota, or Hyundai. If they want to move to Europe, they're no more apealing than any other European brand. When possible I will choose not to send my money into the hands of our debtors. So if moving GM HQ somewhere outside of the US is a decision on the table, the suits had better think twice.

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There hasn't been a good reason to move it.. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

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Complete disaster in the making. Toyota sells less than 20% of its world volume within its own country and you'd never hear them even dreaming of moving their headquarters. As the volume of GM's sales tilt away from North America there could be strong arguments for decentralizing the design and production of certain types of vehicles, but a wholesale moving of headquarters would be a frivolous waste of resources.

GM may eventually end up with 1/3 or so of its total volume sales within North America, but North America's market is always going to be significantly larger than Japan's. I would be surprised if even China reached the 19-20 million units a year that are sold in North America.

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Wouldn't that kind of be akin to admitting defeat in a way?

Besides, companies like Apple are based in North America, and have global appeal, so what difference does it make anyways? The bad perception simply stems from the half-baked products the past, and absolute garbage like the W-Bodies.

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That would be akin to admitting defeat !

Besides, companies like Apple are based in North America, and have global appeal, so what difference does it make anyways? The bad perception simply stems from the half-baked products the past, and absolute garbage like the W-Bodies.

Fixed.

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For real. Give us more vehicles like the G8, CTS, and Malibu across the board and suddenly, there's no need to fight some silly stigma.

If there's any stigma, it's more with the place than the company, I think...Detroit is perceived as a decaying, dying city, not to mention the disgusting cold, gray nasty winters. It must be tough getting talent to move there.

In contrast, another big, global but American based company--Boeing--moved it's HQ from Seattle to Chicago a few years ago...Chicago has the same horrid winters as Detroit, but it's a happening, international city...

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If there's any stigma, it's more with the place than the company, I think...Detroit is perceived as a decaying, dying city, not to mention the disgusting cold, gray nasty winters. It must be tough getting talent to move there.

In contrast, another big, global but American based company--Boeing--moved it's HQ from Seattle to Chicago a few years ago...Chicago has the same horrid winters as Detroit, but it's a happening, international city...

You're on to something there moltar, imagine a GM Global Headquarters in a shinny international city in Europe or one with better climate like in Asia, where GM could hire from the best talent the world had to offer. It's a thought! :scratchchin:

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I would, at most, half-heartedly support a move away from Detroit, but only if the move is restricted to within the United States. Moving outside of the U.S. ... well, why? It wouldn't fix anything. GM HQ moving from the U.S. to Europe would be akin to a dude from the Bronx speaking with a British accent during his vacation to London: it ain't gonna fool no one, as the saying goes.

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I would not agree with moving its HQ outside Detriot, it has a huge automotive history. The HQ location means nothing, just the decisions being made inside the HQ.

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The GM building in NYC was for financial purposes not the headquarters.

Also, I think moving the headquarters to a place like Los Angeles or somewhere in California would be a huge move to try and combat the tastes and trends of America. However, it would be much more expensive to have headquarters in LA than Detroit.

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If there's any stigma, it's more with the place than the company, I think...Detroit is perceived as a decaying, dying city, not to mention the disgusting cold, gray nasty winters. It must be tough getting talent to move there.

In contrast, another big, global but American based company--Boeing--moved it's HQ from Seattle to Chicago a few years ago...Chicago has the same horrid winters as Detroit, but it's a happening, international city...

QFT

I would be a bigger fan of GM relocating from Detroit than to another country. I would love to work for the company but I'm not willing to move to Detroit, it's just not worth the horrible winters and depressing atmoshpere. GM should move south or west IMO.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; if this country continues to bear a hatred for GM for no specific reason then yes they should relocate out of the country. There is no reason for america to continue to benefit off of a company it hates. Why should GM subject itself to that? I would suggest China as a HQ, not Europe since China will be the 'market that counts' soon enough.

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I don't understand Americans' penchant for eating their own. Detroit is a dying, decaying city? Then fix it! If Boston can get billions in federal aid to build a freakin' tunnel, why can't Washington wake up and fix what used to be a dynamic, growing city? It isn't like Detroit is alone. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Akron and others have all gone through their pains. The industrial heartland of America is literally its HEARTland. Have we become that shallow and self-centered that a few bad snowstorms can suddenly make a place undesireable? It isn't like London's constant rain or the sewers in Paris are that much fun!

And before too many more people throw in with the sunny weather in the southwest, remember one thing: they don't have any water. Up here in the wintery northeast, we have a quarter of the world's drinking water.

Something to think about when enjoying one's vistas in Pheonix.

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...Chicago has the same horrid winters as Detroit, but it's a happening, international city...

So is Seattle.....

I've always wondered about the decision by Boeing to move.....(although they left the aircraft division headquartered in Seattle....)

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So is Seattle.....

I've always wondered about the decision by Boeing to move.....(although they left the aircraft division headquartered in Seattle....)

They way I heard is that they wanted to be more central (and have shorter flights across the pond). Denver and Dallas were also considered before they chose Chicago. Several of the execs at my current client (a subsidiary of Boeing) are based in Chicago, even though the subsidiary is based in Denver (with a major office in Frankfort, Germany).

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I don't understand Americans' penchant for eating their own. Detroit is a dying, decaying city? Then fix it! If Boston can get billions in federal aid to build a freakin' tunnel, why can't Washington wake up and fix what used to be a dynamic, growing city? It isn't like Detroit is alone. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Akron and others have all gone through their pains. The industrial heartland of America is literally its HEARTland. Have we become that shallow and self-centered that a few bad snowstorms can suddenly make a place undesireable?

The Midwest heartland has been dying for decades, though.. I grew up near Pittsburgh and also lived in the Cleveland/Akron area and SE Michigan...it was economically weak when I left over a decade ago, worse now...I remember all the steel mills closing back in the '80s, and the decline of the coal industry.

The West/Southwest and South are where alot of economic growth has been for over a decade, I don't see that changing soon..

(not to mention sunshine and warmth is a lot nicer than the depressing gray, humidity and damp of the Midwest).

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I don't understand Americans' penchant for eating their own. Detroit is a dying, decaying city? Then fix it! If Boston can get billions in federal aid to build a freakin' tunnel, why can't Washington wake up and fix what used to be a dynamic, growing city? It isn't like Detroit is alone. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Akron and others have all gone through their pains. The industrial heartland of America is literally its HEARTland. Have we become that shallow and self-centered that a few bad snowstorms can suddenly make a place undesireable? It isn't like London's constant rain or the sewers in Paris are that much fun!

And before too many more people throw in with the sunny weather in the southwest, remember one thing: they don't have any water. Up here in the wintery northeast, we have a quarter of the world's drinking water.

Something to think about when enjoying one's vistas in Pheonix.

It's an interesting question.....PCS's suggestion they move from America.......but I agree with others on here that IF they move, they should stay here in the good ole USA. (Not that they'll ever move....)

There's something to be said for the fact that I could see it would be difficult to attract talent to go to Detroit. I lived there and worked for GM for 7 years....and there's no way in hell I'd ever go back. No offense to our MI or midwestern friends.....but if you are not from there, don't have family there, etc., it's a horribly depressing place to live.

In fact, you wouldn't catch me anywhere in the midwest. Maybe, just maybe, Chicago....but it would have to be a DAMN good reason to put up with the humid summers and cold, windy, snowy winters.

It's not just the weather.....I could fathom living on the east coast WAY easier than somewhere in the midwest. It just seems to me that the midwest is one big, huge, cultural wasteland.

And comparing anywhere in the U.S. "heartland" to London or Paris is just ludicrous......LOL

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