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Let GM Die - from your friends at Yahoo!

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One thing I find funny about the internet - it gives me a chance to find all of the douche bags of the world and watch them open their word holes and have diarrhea come pouring out at just the click of my mouse. All from the comfort of my own home! :lol:

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/artic...,yhoo,msft,goog

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This makes me wonder about something? Are GM's media and PR people totally asleep at the wheel? GM needs to really get serious, especially on the Coasts, about sucking up to these types of people at companies like Yahoo!, Google Reuters, Wall St Journal, Forbes, LA Times, etc, etc - because they're clearly doing a terrible job of it. I'd be willing to bet that if GM's media relations folks had better relationships with those companies, we wouldn't see this kind of sh*t floating around out in cyberspace for the whole car buying public to soak into their tender little brains.

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LMMFAO....

This country is falling faster than a 747 without engines and this is the lackadaisical response we get from the average 'analyst' and 'economist'

It's almost as if they're either too naive or too careless to see the writing on the wall.

Yep... Let GM die... Then I'll get my rocks off laughing as this country dies and all of the ignorant people that keep screaming "The sky is falling, but it's too late to save us" see their mortgaged to the hilt, foreign car fortress, 'educated' world collapse

Seriously... If GM is to die and companies such as Budweiser can be had so cheap and easy that we don't even fight; where do you think the rest of this country is headed? SERVITUDE and RUIN, that's where.

But keep laughing it up america, I know I am!

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And here I thought the Truth About Cars website had the market cornered on negative karma against GM.

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Gotta love sensationalism! "Let GM Die", what a title.

What is accomplished by this interview? I didn't really take away anything insightful or thought invoking from it. That guy sure seemed happy to yammer on though. Why is he talking again?

And that Yahoo employee needs to stop pretending like she didn't just graduate from college with a general studies degree and this is her first job.

"GE... err GM, oops, what's the difference? *giggle*giggle*"

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And that Yahoo employee needs to stop pretending like she didn't just graduate from college with a general studies degree and this is her first job.

"GE... err GM, oops, what's the difference? *giggle*giggle*"

I noticed that too... She had the same mannerisms as that sorority slut I had a good time with last weekend.... But then again, most of those people are the business men and women of tomorrow!!! :rolleyes:

"Like, Oh.. My.. God... GE has, like, had so many chances... Err, I mean GM, I mean..."

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I noticed that too... She had the same mannerisms as that sorority slut I had a good time with last weekend.... But then again, most of those people are the business men and women of tomorrow!!! :rolleyes:

"Like, Oh.. My.. God... GE has, like, had so many chances... Err, I mean GM, I mean..."

Hahahaha!

This was so amateurish and silly I just couldn't believe what I was watching.

I didn't see totally eye to eye with my late Dad (ex GM management BTW) on too many things, but he was right about one thing he used to say all the time; "we're turning into a nation of ass holes". :rotflmao:

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One of the most retarded and ignorant articles I have ever read. It's ok though, last I heard yahoo wasn't doing so well. Let yahoo die.

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LMMFAO....

This country is falling faster than a 747 without engines and this is the lackadaisical response we get from the average 'analyst' and 'economist'

It's almost as if they're either too naive or too careless to see the writing on the wall.

Yep... Let GM die... Then I'll get my rocks off laughing as this country dies and all of the ignorant people that keep screaming "The sky is falling, but it's too late to save us" see their mortgaged to the hilt, foreign car fortress, 'educated' world collapse

Seriously... If GM is to die and companies such as Budweiser can be had so cheap and easy that we don't even fight; where do you think the rest of this country is headed? SERVITUDE and RUIN, that's where.

But keep laughing it up america, I know I am!

And with that- I have to agree with FOG....

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Hahahaha!

This was so amateurish and silly I just couldn't believe what I was watching.

I didn't see totally eye to eye with my late Dad (ex GM management BTW) on too many things, but he was right about one thing he used to say all the time; "we're turning into a nation of ass holes". :rotflmao:

:yes:

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I've seen some pretty bad articles, but this one could be near the top....

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I've got a memo for this Sarah Lacy:

"Ms. Sarah Lacy, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

:smilewide:

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LOL

EVERYBODY has an opinion. Some go with the grain, some go against the grain, depends on which way your grain lies.... :AH-HA_wink:

I think there are some points that are made but it's still a "sky is falling" speculative article. Dumb, but there are crowds that just eat that stuff up. What do you do?

The domestics sure take a beating time and time again in the forums and in the media, no wonder people's eyes have strayed to the imports. The domestic crowd is their own worst enemies without even knowing it IMO.

Like I've said before, I'm most interested in domestic cars, and from experiences galore I don't think fondly of most imports.

An article on the internet written by somebody I have no idea about isn't going to change my mind that easily....

:AH-HA_wink:

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I've got a memo for this Sarah Lacy:

"Ms. Sarah Lacy, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

:smilewide:

That *MIGHT* be a little overboard...?

:AH-HA_wink:

LOL

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LOL

EVERYBODY has an opinion. Some go with the grain, some go against the grain, depends on which way your grain lies.... :AH-HA_wink:

I think there are some points that are made but it's still a "sky is falling" speculative article. Dumb, but there are crowds that just eat that stuff up. What do you do?

The domestics sure take a beating time and time again in the forums and in the media, no wonder people's eyes have strayed to the imports. The domestic crowd is their own worst enemies without even knowing it IMO.

Like I've said before, I'm most interested in domestic cars, and from experiences galore I don't think fondly of most imports.

An article on the internet written by somebody I have no idea about isn't going to change my mind that easily....

:AH-HA_wink:

No, but it's called a self-fulfilling prophecy—articles such as this make it ever more difficult for GM to persuade people to buy their cars, until they have no choice but to shut down operations in North America. It's happened to other companies, and indeed other automakers, and there is no reason it can't happen to GM.

Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised if no-one at GM had ever heard of this b— until now. There are just too many would-be experts calling for GM's blood for PR to make any dent at all. GM's media relations is among the most open and broad-reaching there is. I understand that Toyota and now Ford (having poached Toyota's top guy) is far better at influencing the mainstream media, but GM has been superb at making life easy for new/social media, and encouraging fan sites such as C&G; of which there are a multiplicity thanks to all those brands and the company's long heritage.

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No, but it's called a self-fulfilling prophecy—articles such as this make it ever more difficult for GM to persuade people to buy their cars, until they have no choice but to shut down operations in North America. It's happened to other companies, and indeed other automakers, and there is no reason it can't happen to GM.

Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised if no-one at GM had ever heard of this b— until now. There are just too many would-be experts calling for GM's blood for PR to make any dent at all. GM's media relations is among the most open and broad-reaching there is. I understand that Toyota and now Ford (having poached Toyota's top guy) is far better at influencing the mainstream media, but GM has been superb at making life easy for new/social media, and encouraging fan sites such as C&G; of which there are a multiplicity thanks to all those brands and the company's long heritage.

While this Yahoo "news" is stupid and clearly not somebody who knows the business, the threat to the very survival of all of the Detroit 3 is VERY real.

The gloom and doom prognostications of every biz page are there for a reason, my friends. There is a genuine possibility that 1 or 2 of these 3 companies will not survive in a recognizable form. Much as the Enron implosion or Bear Stearns spectacle were front page news for weeks, an Icon such as GM (with its product front and center) will dominate with similar coverage--only multiplied 100X because there's a Chevy on every street corner--most Americans have no clue what Enron did or why they failed--but everyone's had a ride in a GM product.

Blaming the media is the lamest excuse in the book. Negligently destroying the Worlds #1 Carmaker should be judged far more harshly. The people running GM, the UAW & the Trade policy of this country are completely to blame. There would be NO stories if these institutions were run competently, and everyone reading this site knows that, whether they care to admit it or not.

Blaming somebody else for one's own problems has become an American obsession, which is killing this country. How about some personal and professional responsibility? Admitting it's my fault? In an organization with 500+ people, I never hear "I simply screwed up", only excuse after excuse.

If you want to identify what's killing this country, its the lack of ANY personal responsibility. The MSM is simply the newest boogeyman.

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Possibly is not probably, and far from certainly. In the securities industry, if someone profits from spreading news such as this, they can go to jail (perhaps you're all too young to remember Wall Street). An analyst doesn't necessarily profit, they should be paid the same no matter what they predict, but the media do profit, not from the damage they do GM, but from increased circulation—bad news sells, e.g. I doubt this piece would have made it here if it had said, "GM is facing tough times, but should weather the crisis;" which it probably will (although at great cost).

I can identify several critical things GM has done and still is doing wrong, from not selling Isuzu to International to not hanging on to Fiat; from bad product positioning (selling vehicles against competitors a segment smaller and at too low a price) to not firing PCS and others deliberately undermining the company, etc. etc.. I am not so arrogant to think that anyone could have done a better job overall, given the immense obstacles GM has faced, and which irresponsible journalism is only amplifying. For one thing no-one predicted the market to do what it has, not Toyota, which is laying off staff not just in the US but in Japan because they expected to sell a lot more trucks; not Kia, which is bring out a BOF SUV as the market is tanking; nor Mitsubishi, Ford, Mazda, Nissan, VW or Honda, each of which could have offered a modern, segment-leading subcompact (or two) even before GM did, but either gave up (Ford Festiva), arrived late with an eleventh hour upgrade to meet US standards (Honda), or have not shown up at all, despite doing all the preparation (VW has a subcompact, developed and even named with the US market specifically in mind [the VW Fox], but where is it? Still in Brazil). Where are the Mitsubishi Colt, Mazda2, Ford Fiesta, Suzuki Swift, VW Fox, Nissan Cube (GM's version will be here by the time Nissan's arrives) or Nissan Note? Where is the Toyota Corolla Verso, the Honda Stream, the VW Touran, the Mitsubishi Dion (and why in a booming segment Mitsubishi invented 25 years ago is their only current entrant stuck in Japan). Why isn't there a diesel Tundra (Toyota [or at least former parent Toyota Industries] already has a 4.5 L V8 diesel, even if it isn't as good as GM's will be) or a diesel Tacoma (and an even better 3.0 L 4-cylinder)? Things are going to be very tough, and if perceptions do not change in NA, it may never get better, but the technical ability and product portfolio is already in place to manage the transition to small cars. Indeed in many ways GM is in an even better position than Honda and Toyota, neither of which is even in a position to consider bringing a car such as the Beat to NA, and neither is in a position to replace V6 engines with an existing, 2.0 L DI Turbo 4.

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With threads like this, it's little wonder barely anyone ever posts on these forums. It's the same old dross re-hashed under yet another sensationalist title.

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Possibly is not probably, and far from certainly. In the securities industry, if someone profits from spreading news such as this, they can go to jail (perhaps you're all too young to remember Wall Street). An analyst doesn't necessarily profit, they should be paid the same no matter what they predict, but the media do profit, not from the damage they do GM, but from increased circulation—bad news sells, e.g. I doubt this piece would have made it here if it had said, "GM is facing tough times, but should weather the crisis;" which it probably will (although at great cost).

I can identify several critical things GM has done and still is doing wrong, from not selling Isuzu to International to not hanging on to Fiat; from bad product positioning (selling vehicles against competitors a segment smaller and at too low a price) to not firing PCS and others deliberately undermining the company, etc. etc.. I am not so arrogant to think that anyone could have done a better job overall, given the immense obstacles GM has faced, and which irresponsible journalism is only amplifying. For one thing no-one predicted the market to do what it has, not Toyota, which is laying off staff not just in the US but in Japan because they expected to sell a lot more trucks; not Kia, which is bring out a BOF SUV as the market is tanking; nor Mitsubishi, Ford, Mazda, Nissan, VW or Honda, each of which could have offered a modern, segment-leading subcompact (or two) even before GM did, but either gave up (Ford Festiva), arrived late with an eleventh hour upgrade to meet US standards (Honda), or have not shown up at all, despite doing all the preparation (VW has a subcompact, developed and even named with the US market specifically in mind [the VW Fox], but where is it? Still in Brazil). Where are the Mitsubishi Colt, Mazda2, Ford Fiesta, Suzuki Swift, VW Fox, Nissan Cube (GM's version will be here by the time Nissan's arrives) or Nissan Note? Where is the Toyota Corolla Verso, the Honda Stream, the VW Touran, the Mitsubishi Dion (and why in a booming segment Mitsubishi invented 25 years ago is their only current entrant stuck in Japan). Why isn't there a diesel Tundra (Toyota [or at least former parent Toyota Industries] already has a 4.5 L V8 diesel, even if it isn't as good as GM's will be) or a diesel Tacoma (and an even better 3.0 L 4-cylinder)? Things are going to be very tough, and if perceptions do not change in NA, it may never get better, but the technical ability and product portfolio is already in place to manage the transition to small cars. Indeed in many ways GM is in an even better position than Honda and Toyota, neither of which is even in a position to consider bringing a car such as the Beat to NA, and neither is in a position to replace V6 engines with an existing, 2.0 L DI Turbo 4.

Firstly, hindsight is always 20/20, so I'm simply not going to harp on the endless things that GM has done to itself to arrive at this crossroads. Suffice it to say that if you or I failed like the mgmt at GM, we wouldn't have jobs---which cuts right to the core of how F*ed up things are at GM that this has been allowed to continue.

Simply put--Luck is preparation meeting opportunity. GM's lack of preparation for the economy faltering, the mortgage crisis, the gas price increases, the shift in consumer preference for cars, etc...(and the list is nearly endless) is why they're screwed. They weren't lucky like Honda because they weren't prepared! Period. No excuses are possible.

The possible failure of what was once the World's Greatest Company---an almost inarguable #1 in many respects--is incredibly newsworthy---and the premature obits being written is simply the natural result of this negligence, arrogance & myopic culture that has succeeded in nearly destroying a historically unparallelled company.

Sorry. This is simply chickens coming home to roost. Nothing more or less.

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With threads like this, it's little wonder barely anyone ever posts on these forums. It's the same old dross re-hashed under yet another sensationalist title.

+1

If GM is populated by employees that think like most of these guys, its no wonder things have gone so wrong.

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Arabic proverb: "A falling camel attracts many knives."

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If GM is populated by employees that think like most of these guys, its no wonder things have gone so wrong.

It was related to the company, it was poorly done and in many regards, quite inaccurate and one sided, and I thought it would be interesting to see everyone's reaction to it. No more, no less. It's the same old BS in a different forum, but it's out there and it's kind of irritating to see.

This Yahoo! article (and the many like it floating around out there) should give GM's media relations people a huge wake up call. Despite the whys or the hows as to why GM gets so much negative attention, they should put "warming up to the media" very high on their list of priorities - because clearly a lot of the media, especially in the "left of center" world (read "Wired" Magazine for example) thinks that GM is an antiquated, slow moving mess with awful product and a complete lack of vision or direction. If GM can get a foothold into media outlets like Google and Yahoo!, etc, and get them to stop putting $h! like this out on the internet, then I think they have a better shot of selling Joe San Francisco Computer Programmer an HHR as opposed to a Scion. I'm being dead serious. I don't think GM really quite "gets it" when it comes to marketing their product to the right people. Like I've said a million times, GM does poorly outside of the Midwest and it shows big time in large markets like where I live. They MUST figure out how to correct his, and media relations is an incredibly smart place to start. The product is there really when you start thinking about it - but they need to get the rags on their side or they'll continue to be an easy target for these people.

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It was related to the company, it was poorly done and in many regards, quite inaccurate and one sided, and I thought it would be interesting to see everyone's reaction to it. No more, no less. It's the same old BS in a different forum, but it's out there and it's kind of irritating to see.

LOL!

Hit the Chrysler section in the "other guys" forum here at C&G, alot of threads that are one sided, poorly done, and quite inaccurate are posted there on a regular basis...

It's good for some of the C&Gers to get a taste of what I commonly post about there, maybe they can see it from the other side of the fence now....?

:AH-HA_wink:

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While this Yahoo "news" is stupid and clearly not somebody who knows the business, the threat to the very survival of all of the Detroit 3 is VERY real.

The gloom and doom prognostications of every biz page are there for a reason, my friends. There is a genuine possibility that 1 or 2 of these 3 companies will not survive in a recognizable form. Much as the Enron implosion or Bear Stearns spectacle were front page news for weeks, an Icon such as GM (with its product front and center) will dominate with similar coverage--only multiplied 100X because there's a Chevy on every street corner--most Americans have no clue what Enron did or why they failed--but everyone's had a ride in a GM product.

Blaming the media is the lamest excuse in the book. Negligently destroying the Worlds #1 Carmaker should be judged far more harshly. The people running GM, the UAW & the Trade policy of this country are completely to blame. There would be NO stories if these institutions were run competently, and everyone reading this site knows that, whether they care to admit it or not.

Blaming somebody else for one's own problems has become an American obsession, which is killing this country. How about some personal and professional responsibility? Admitting it's my fault? In an organization with 500+ people, I never hear "I simply screwed up", only excuse after excuse.

If you want to identify what's killing this country, its the lack of ANY personal responsibility. The MSM is simply the newest boogeyman.

Agreed 100%

I think the media is a huge problem for GM. However, GM continues to make itself vulnerable to pretty much every attack they've endured.

I was just telling my GF yesterday that I'm so very sick of fighting the fight for GM because of their 1 step forward 2 steps back shuffle... I mean, I'm all for flying the flag high when the company deserves it, and maybe even when they don't but I think circumstance dictates their predicament. But, when you're wasting development dollars on platforms, engines, models and plans that you're just going to dynamite 1 year later. And delaying cars that should've been here 3 years ago or engines that are needed now, I'm having a more difficult time being a GM fan everyday.

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