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The decline and the fall

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I've been expecting them just about all of my life...

seems like they may be arriving right now.

Everyone ready?

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Ready or Not, they could be coming for real. I honestly never thought I'd see the day...

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now i know how the plymouth and olds fans felt. also the others like amc, packard... well you get the picture. man this sucks

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In a broader sense, I see this as the decline and fall of America. Years from now, we will be remembered as those who had it all and gave it all away.

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In a broader sense, I see this as the decline and fall of America. Years from now, we will be remembered as those who had it all and gave it all away.

Lets Hope Not...

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In a broader sense, I see this as the decline and fall of America. Years from now, we will be remembered as those who had it all and gave it all away.

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On a more broader scale, I would add that the West in general is committing cultural suicide. In 50 years, North America and Europe will be unrecognizable, if they exist at all.

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now i know how the plymouth and olds fans felt. also the others like amc, packard... well you get the picture. man this sucks

Last night I was talking to my dad and he said how bad he feels, I said "f*** GM your not the one driving an obsolete car."

This is really sad though.

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On a more broader scale, I would add that the West in general is committing cultural suicide. In 50 years, North America and Europe will be unrecognizable, if they exist at all.

I'm not trying to be selfish, but I hope I'm not around when that moment comes. I can't believe that we haven't been shocked into some kind of awareness of this problem. Just like mortage/banking more recently and energy before that, the "denial" is so a few can get wealthy from the scheme while others are temporarily being "duped."

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I may be paranoid, but I'm convinced that this country is headed for a collapse somewhere in my lifetime. The greed and selfishness that has permeated our culture will finally get the best of us. Either we'll be overtaken by a Middle Eastern or Asian nation, or we'll see the current form of government overthrown and replaced by...um...something else, and we won't have the resources to do anything about it. Again, this may be paranoia, but I can't things getting any better if we stick to the status quo.

Not to put any pressure on the new guy, but if things don't get much better in the next Presidency, watch out.*

* - This isn't intended to be a dig at our next president. I'd say the same thing if the other guy won.

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If the world cannot look to us for responsible use of our mighty military, and if the world cannot look to us for a stable economic system, what good are we?
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The problem is the apathy of our population...I can count on two hands the number of people I know here who actually care about this economic crisis. Most don't even give it a passing thought because it hasn't affected them yet. Unfortunately, we'll have to wait until things get really bad for people to wake up.

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The public doesn't seem to notice except in the case where their own ox is being gored. I know several people, that are not relatives, that have seen their job disappear very recently. I'm laid-off from Wilmington assembly. I did work one week. two weeks ago attending a 'workshop' in the plant that dealt with panel fit for the Solstice hard-top. About 16 hours out of 48 with 'hands-on', the rest was theory and classroom-styled focus groups pertaining to panel-stamping variations. Conference calls with vendors and so forth rounded out the week.

I have 4 brothers, all younger'n me, all still employed. One brother, the precision grinder, is tooling pieces for windmills being used up and down the East Coast. Very busy even now. He wants a Solstice H/T in red. I guess to reciprocate, I'll have to buy a windmill. I'm planning to work for his outfit when I retire shortly.

Another brother is a foreman for 2 crews of masons. They're taking on anything that they can to keep his employer's crews busy. Pickings are getting slim, and going into the Winter, he states, likely one crew will be laid-off from hand-picking the lowest fellows on the totem pole from out of the two crews.

Brother #3 is fabricating motorized bracketry for solar-panels destined for the American Southwest. He's a welder. He states business is booked through next Summer and he's been working every other Saturday plus O.T. during the week. He seems confident. He just bought a new Silverado Z71 in September and we used that Monday and Tuesday in surf-fishing in Ship Bottom, NJ. Very nice truck. Uses it for work 'n play. We logged 22 mpg going point-to-point from home to the shore, 72 miles one way (his home) with one stop to get coffee and donuts at a Wawa on the NJ route 70/72 circle leading to Manahawkin, NJ. He's bullish on the future. Good for him.

My youngest bro', runs his own custom-tile and flooring business. He states that consumers are pulling way back. He got into this sideline, originally trained as a mason/bricklayer by our Father. Dad, as I'd mentioned once previously worked 35 years at/for U.S. Steel. An accomplished man is my Dad. In my opinion, a genius for planning and execution. He is the owner of the Masonry outfit that my brother more or less operates with oversight from him. Dad is still very active in the field. Kept the 5 of us in line until the concept of self-reliance became second-nature to us all, his Sons and charges.

So there is the thumbnail outline of my family. We all worked with our hands for the better part of our lives. We were all recently together on the aforementioned fishing trip to NJ. We shot the breeze between catching Stripers, Bluefish, Croaker and even a couple of Ling. Most of the conversation revolved around how esoteric that the American economy has become. Comments like: "These f*ckers only know how to make money (or lose money) with money"-alluding to traders working on Wall Street

Another comment: " It's all another motherf*cking Ponzi-scheme, like that c*cks*cking, motherf*cking, sh*t-sucking ENRON"-I'm paraphrasing, but things like this were actually discussed...

Mostly we were in agreement as to America having lost it's way in terms of self-reliance. The idea of American labor having to compete with anonymous/faceless Chinese men and women seems the height of absurdity as unemployment climbs here. We all agree that gainful employment needs to be found for the great mass of the Middle-Class as not every one of us can become Doctors, Lawyers and CEOs. The notion that we as working Americans can affect the shape of the world by doing with our hands runs deep in our family. At the end of the day, and many years hence, we can point to a house, a chimney, a fireplace a windmill, an array of solar-panels, a beautifully constructed tile floor and say: "I made that".

It gives Dad a reason to smile.

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'tooth: is your family adopting? This is what made North America great. People who take 'trades' in schools are looked down at today. Everyone wants to be a 'lawyer' or take 'business' (whatever the Hell that means). A nation that cannot build anything is doomed, IMO.

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'tooth: is your family adopting? This is what made North America great. People who take 'trades' in schools are looked down at today. Everyone wants to be a 'lawyer' or take 'business' (whatever the Hell that means). A nation that cannot build anything is doomed, IMO.

You can be made an honorary Brother, 'BIZ. Glad to have you aboard. Like the 6th Beatle you'll be. The hours (mostly) are long, and we never sneak breaks when Dad isn't looking. I'm the de-facto 'enforcer' of the clan. Send your resume' to... :CanadaEmoticon:

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Bravo Longtooth!

This simple truth seems to have largely faded from the American reality - much to our detriment.

There is honor and value in all work.

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Bravo Longtooth!

This simple truth seems to have largely faded from the American reality - much to our detriment.

There is honor and value in all work.

This.

Especially in services.... no matter what the field, people will ALWAYS need them.

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