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Will there ever be another GM

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I was looking around at pictures of mid-80s Cutlass Supreme coupes today. They were beautiful...from every angle. For at least 10 years, 1976-1986 +/-, no other car captured the heart of America the way this car did. That's why they were everywhere.

Do you think there will ever be another mid-size personal luxury coupe? Can't the market handle just one...either at a Cutlass Supreme price point or a Riv/Toro/Eldo price point? Or is this a matter of timing where the market has to take a break from this genre and then come back to it?

What do you think?

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Mid 80s? You mean way back when Reagan was President and women and men had big hair? :P

We already have members who think it should still be 1959 or 1968 or 1977, why not have the token "guy stuck in the 80's"?

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Just like their will never be another RWD full size BOF GM car, there will never be another personal lux coupe. That world is gone.

Rob

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We already have members who think it should still be 1959 or 1968 or 1977, why not have the token "guy stuck in the 80's"?

Nothing wrong with the Big 80s...I still love a lot of the music, cars, and movies of that era...growing up then, it was an important time of my life...still enjoy my '80s cars. But I also enjoy the here and now..

Rob

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I'll be stuck there...no problem.

My '84 Cutlass Brougham coupe was more comfortable on long interstate trips than anything I've had since then. My 2 newer cars have been more reliable, though.

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Nothing wrong with the Big 80s...I still love a lot of the music, cars, and movies of that era...growing up then, it was an important time of my life...still enjoy my '80s cars. But I also enjoy the here and now..

Rob

The question is, do you still have big hair? :smilewide:

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The question is, do you still have big hair? :smilewide:

No hair now... :)

Rob

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The question is, do you still have big hair? :smilewide:

The answer is: you have enough hair to lend ...

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I'll be stuck there...no problem.

My '84 Cutlass Brougham coupe was more comfortable on long interstate trips than anything I've had since then. My 2 newer cars have been more reliable, though.

hey, i got an 83 regal wagon passed down to me as a first car.....you can put me there too. hehe i'd take another gear or 3 for that and an engine with more punch, but it was a great car.

those gen cars stood out, still do.

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Just like their will never be another RWD full size BOF GM car, there will never be another personal lux coupe. That world is gone.

Rob

BOF GM car? No. GM ceded that market to the imports.

But, quite frankly Mercedes and BMW have some nice CPO personal luxury coupes.

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BOF GM car? No. GM ceded that market to the imports.

Ford is the only maker of such cars (Panthers) today, AFAIK. All full size imported cars are unit body construction, AFAIK..

But, quite frankly Mercedes and BMW have some nice CPO personal luxury coupes.

Those are high end models, though.... I specifically meant GM mass market midsize coupes like the Cutlass, Monte Carlo, etc. I don't expect to see new GM coupes of that sort, RWD or FWD.

Rob

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Am I the only one that thinks that GM should have held off on an F5 Camaro and instead put a new Monte Carlo on Zeta that would return the car back to it's "personal luxury coupe" intentions?

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Am I the only one that thinks that GM should have held off on an F5 Camaro and instead put a new Monte Carlo on Zeta that would return the car back to it's "personal luxury coupe" intentions?

Such a car could definitely have been interesting, but I don't think it would sell anywhere near as well as the Camaro may sell... the Camaro is a much bigger image product for Chevy.

Rob

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Such a car could definitely have been interesting, but I don't think it would sell anywhere near as well as the Camaro may sell... the Camaro is a much bigger image product for Chevy.

Rob

True. But as far as the F5 Camaro's size and weight goes, it's dimensions are much more suited to a "personal luxury (and performance, in the case of an SS model) coupe."

And the old G-Body Monte Carlo was one of the better selling generations of the car. I think with the correct support, the Monte Carlo could have had a much improved image and would have proved that it could sustain sells better than the F5 Camaro. I can see maybe the 2011 or 2012 model outselling the 2010 Camaro because, by that time, the convertible will have debuted and that will help to sustain sales. But after the convertible debuts and the dust settles the year after, everyone who wanted an F5 Camaro will have one and sales will drop off sharply.

That's the cost of having an image car.

Maybe someday GM will return a personal luxury coupe to flank its flagship sedan ...

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Am I the only one that thinks that GM should have held off on an F5 Camaro and instead put a new Monte Carlo on Zeta that would return the car back to it's "personal luxury coupe" intentions?

Could be, although I thought you used to love the Camaro?

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BOF GM car? No. GM ceded that market to the imports.

What are you on about? There are no cars besides the Ford Panthers that are or have been BOF for many years.

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Could be, although I thought you used to love the Camaro?

I love the car's design and personality and still do. But once I began to see where GM went wrong with the car, I realized I didn't like what was beneath the car's wrapper. I'm looking forward to the F6 model. That will be the generation of Camaro that will bring it all home.

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the 010 shelby mustang i sat in last week had a luxurious interior. there is your personal luxury coupe. or who knows which special edition mustang it was. it sure was nice inside.

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People are looking more practical now. A 2-door in a lot of peoples eyes isnt practical. I wouldnt mind one someday too. We will have to see.

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Monte Carlo/Grand Prix/Cutlass Supreme/Regal... what a powerhouse quartet that hit the market just right, and held it for years, despite glancing blows from Chrysler with the Cordoba/Charger and Ford with the Thunderbird/Cougar.

A new Riviera has the best odds, imo, of coming to market to fulfill your want. You can always tell Fritz, if he's not too busy re-grilling Saturn Vue piglets into Buicks (not a fan of rebadging, my ass.)

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Am I the only one that thinks that GM should have held off on an F5 Camaro and instead put a new Monte Carlo on Zeta that would return the car back to it's "personal luxury coupe" intentions?

That may have been the original intention for Zeta - to be a home for the Monte Carlo or possibly a Chevelle. But it was later decided that making it into a Camaro would be the car's best chance of selling.

Given the fact that everyone in GM works for Fritz, the closest thing we'll ever get to a modern day G body is a production version of the Opel GTC concept.

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