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A review of the 2017 Continental, chosen just because they have what appear to be decent images of the car

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So basically, I read the review. But really I picked this source because these are the first good pictures in good natural lighting to show the new Conti in production spec. I like the way it looks, I think this paint colour is very adventurous, but the blue paint with the blue interior is my personal favourite. I think the Conti screams luxo, and American luxo really well. It may not be to your tastes, but oh well, I can accept that America still knows how to make big sedans, however flawed or incomplete this or the CT6 are.

 

Again, I only looked at this article for the pictures.

 

More are their link:

http://www.motor1.com/reviews/127066/2017-lincoln-continental-first-drive-review/

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And I must say, I don't find the excessive chrome garish because, well, it's one of the few cars that happens to stick to that methodology of treatment of the accents these days. Plus that side view mirror with the beveled edges...It's so SHINY!!! 

Overall I think this car is just what Lincoln needs right now. Yeah yeah, we need a real S-Class fighter, but then again who would buy that? No one. Because then the Lincoln brand would be a major hindrance. But this is a stab at the 5/A6/E class segment in pricing, but a homage to American luxury anyways.

 

Plus, I think the FWD roots thing is going to be a problem for Audi too in terms of "image" and "prestige". Their future Quattro models will default to FWD in normal driving. What's the point of having a longitudinal engine layout if you won't make the most of it? What's the point of having a bazooka if you can't use it?

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Sorry, just not down with the styling on this in any way shape or form.  I do agree Lincoln has nice color choices though.

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Love it, and the color.  It is totally unashamed.  I hope it does really well.

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8 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Love it, and the color.  It is totally unashamed.  I hope it does really well.

I hope like crazy it does so also.  While I am not down with the styling, it is good to see some of the confidence and swagger from GM Cadillac make it across town to the blue oval boys!

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First few good pics and excessive chrome?

Where do you guys get these opinions.

 

The gazillion production pictures I have seen so far, are very flattering and often beautiful.

And the amount of chrome is minimalist and tastefully done.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

First few good pics and excessive chrome?

Where do you guys get these opinions.

 

The gazillion production pictures I have seen so far, are very flattering and often beautiful.

And the amount of chrome is minimalist and tastefully done.

 

 

 

Dude....I don't understand you at all.

 

I love this car so much more than the CT6 plus I think all that shiny and matte chrome effects makes it very clear this is a big brawler luxo sedan.

 

And NO the chrome is NOT minimalist...BUT YES, IT IS DONE TASTEFULLY. There. Have it dude. 

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13 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

 

Dude....I don't understand you at all.

 

I love this car so much more than the CT6 plus I think all that shiny and matte chrome effects makes it very clear this is a big brawler luxo sedan.

 

And NO the chrome is NOT minimalist...BUT YES, IT IS DONE TASTEFULLY. There. Have it dude. 

YOU stated that there are few good pics and that there is excessive chrome.

I did not agree.

What more is there to understand?????

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This is a very tasteful full size sedan. Well executed with what I consider proper chrome accents for those that like the bling effect.

I can also clearly see this as a monochromatic in this color and it would still be striking.

This car I like allot and is to date the best I have seen out of all Lincoln's SUV, CUV's and cars.

We'll done for a decent solid, probably best in class sedan competing against the rest of the mid tier OEMs such as Buick, Acura, Infinity, Lexus, etc.

This car has the potential to even take on the top tier luxury auto companies. Just needs a few more tweaks, to get there.

With that said, before they try to push this upstream, Lincoln needs to get the rest of their product line to be equal to this car, then they can move up again.

Congratulations to Lincoln for executing an outstanding looking car.

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So I really am a Monochromatic auto buyer that likes chrome on the rims as an accent, I would love to remove most of the chrome on this car.

With that said, I played with the configurator to see what my options would be. 

Black Label Edition 800A

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300A Edition

Love the Burgundy color, crazy that I can get a better equipped car in the 300 than in the Black Label unless I am just not working their web site correctly.

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24 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

Buick and Acura.

LMAO

 

List me one product from either brand that even comes close to Conti.

You really are nuts! (Not in a good way)

Why?

1. Suave LOVES the Continental....you pissed on him for no phoquing reason by crying over what you thought was a negative post! If you cease to be so obsessively defensive you would have realized that he was actually praising and LOVING it!

2. Relax with the Continental bro...It aint even on sale yet at the Lincoln Store!

But since you asked:

Image result for acura nsx 2017

 

The NSX, old and new, had and has a HIGHER price tag than anything Lincoln EVER offered for a long time. The last time Lincoln had a car priced that high, John F. Kennedy was still alive...

The NSX also  represents technology that Lincoln, hell, FoMoCo, not even remotely offering its clientele. The Ford GT might have a higher price tag, it doesnt nearly have half as much tech in it in...

About Buick...

Buick's portfolio will increase in the next 5 years 2 fold...if the new Lacrosse is any indication where the brand is going along with the Avenir trim packages on the higher end stuff....Lincoln's Continental will have its hands full fighting off Buick...

Remember, Buick's portfolio just 6-7 years ago was thinner and weaker than Lincoln's...

All Lincoln has is that Continental...and a couple of SUVs...remember, other than that Continental, Lincoln really has not that much...

And let us be honest, the hood area of the Continental has Ford Fusion/Mondeo styling...above the jewel LED headlights is an aero area that the Fusion also adorns....and those jewel LEDs are heavily borrowed from Acura...

Buick also has a couple of strong SUVs. And a new Regal coming up shortly.

Wings...1 car does not make a brand....

Ask Acura and Buick...you know, the brands you laugh at....

Wings...Lincoln's playmates are Buick and Acura...you could stop pretending....you aint naive...

 

 

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Holy crap you are one friggin drama queen, olds. 

Wait, I mean Greek drama queen.

I honestly don't with agree with one phoquing word of the many you stated.  Not even the part about what you think I said in this thread.

And no, I won't bother debating.  Why bother.

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5 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

Holy crap you are one friggin drama queen, olds. 

Wait, I mean Greek drama queen.

I honestly don't with agree with one phoquing word of the many you stated.  Not even the part about what you think I said in this thread.

And no, I won't bother debating.  Why bother.

Of course you dont agree and of course you wont bother with any rebuttal...

How could you?

1. You dont agree with one phoquing word I said is because you work for FoMoCo and ANYTHING said about FoMoCo that is less than complimentary you become defensive.

2. YOU know there is no debate with what I said because what I said is REALITY....YOU aint naive..

PS: I said you are NOT naive....and you dont agree with what I said....does that mean you think you are naive?

 

THE NSX 1st generation represents what Lincoln and FoMoCo lost to the Japanese car maker....

THE NSX 2nd generation represents (along with that new Continental)  what Lincoln, FoMoCo, Acura and Honda Motor Division had  lost due to blurry eye sight...and are trying to get back on track...

Agree to that or not....I dont care what you believe, but 'twas you that went wacky on Suave and is laughing at Acura and Buick....remember....YOU asked what Acura or Buick has in their portfolio that is high in regard to the Continental....

I showed you the Acura NSX...

You want a tissue my darling to wipe those tears from your face?

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Friday was an interesting day at work.  I work on the campus of a university in the facilities department. Obama is speaking here on Tuesday/tomorrow so we had the secret service here all over campus.

A lot of other strange things happened....the women's volleyball team showed up in Halloween costumes for practice.  Was interesting watching wonder woman, cat woman, and  few other notables at the net.

But nothing was quite as otherworldly as watching the cat fight between grown men over a four door Ford.

Lincoln is a really tired brand and this will be a shot in the arm, but in the minds of buyers (the ones actually putting money to metal and keeping the factory open) they have a long way to go to catch up to Buick, Acura, Lexus, Infinity Cadillac, Audi, BMW, Mercedes and the like.

I wish Ford no ill, but am not impressed with several elements of the car in question.  For the record, I would honestly rather drive a Miata or a WRX than this thing, but then Luxury cars are not my thing.

Were Suav or another member to get one, I would be very happy that they had acquired a car that they liked.

Would like a rational discussion about what is right and wrong with the various design elements of the car, but that does not seem like it is in the car for this thread.

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1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Of course you dont agree and of course you wont bother with any rebuttal...

How could you?

1. You dont agree with one phoquing word I said is because you work for FoMoCo and ANYTHING said about FoMoCo that is less than complimentary you become defensive.

2. YOU know there is no debate with what I said because what I said is REALITY....YOU aint naive..

PS: I said you are NOT naive....and you dont agree with what I said....does that mean you think you are naive?

 

THE NSX 1st generation represents what Lincoln and FoMoCo lost to the Japanese car maker....

THE NSX 2nd generation represents (along with that new Continental)  what Lincoln, FoMoCo, Acura and Honda Motor Division had  lost due to blurry eye sight...and are trying to get back on track...

Agree to that or not....I dont care what you believe, but 'twas you that went wacky on Suave and is laughing at Acura and Buick....remember....YOU asked what Acura or Buick has in their portfolio that is high in regard to the Continental....

I showed you the Acura NSX...

You want a tissue my darling to wipe those tears from your face?

 

Wow.

OK, so let’s review:

1.      I am not allowed to disagree on a remark that Conti is ‘not photogenic’ or that it has ‘excessive chrome.’

2.      I can't suggest that Lincoln offers more luxury than Buick and Acura.

 

Got it.

Thanks.

And that is ALL I HAVE SAID HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward to your next couple rants though.  Comic relief is good to break up a stressful day.

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I think it is more the tone of both your remarks and Olds remarks that is heating things up.

FWIW I agree that the chrome on the car is tasteful.

Back to discussing the automobile in question, please.

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47 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I think it is more the tone of both your remarks and Olds remarks that is heating things up.

FWIW I agree that the chrome on the car is tasteful.

Back to discussing the automobile in question, please.

Yup, I was a bit sharp with my disagreeing tone, but I felt it was commensurate to what is all too often, overly negative or harsh remarks on this site.

 

And yes, I am all about talking subject matter……so let’s start with your very own words here;

 

“Lincoln is a really tired brand and this will be a shot in the arm, but in the minds of buyers (the ones actually putting money to metal and keeping the factory open) they have a long way to go to catch up to Buick, Acura, Lexus, Infinity Cadillac, Audi, BMW, Mercedes and the like.”

 

…. Tell us why you think Buick and Acura are so far advanced of Lincoln.  I am dying to know, as you are quite negative on Lincoln overall, and quite frequently I might add.  Which is fine, but do clarify.

 

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For me it is that I find the styling really, really heavy.  I do not regard this as an anti Ford thing as I am very positive about other Ford vehicles here.

I would love for them to succeed with this car, but Lincoln in my mind is really out of the conscious of people who are buying Luxury cars. Would love to see evidence to the contrary, but ask a hundred people to name a Luxury or upscale car they want to own, and 98 will name something like Acura, Buick, Lexus, or BMW before they will name Lincoln .

..and by the way, I am not negative on you personally in any way, Wings.  I quite admire the way you stick up for your brand. Would be nice if more people here were that passionate.

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16 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

 

Dude....I don't understand you at all.

 

I love this car so much more than the CT6 plus I think all that shiny and matte chrome effects makes it very clear this is a big brawler luxo sedan.

 

And NO the chrome is NOT minimalist...BUT YES, IT IS DONE TASTEFULLY. There. Have it dude. 

OH oh what U have failed to see is that anything less than getting on your knees, pulling any Ford products fly open and commencing in sucking its #$#! will result in Wings swooping in and talking smack to the 10th power. Next time give the Continental a blow and U will be back in his good graces.

To my opinion.. this car is boring with a capital B. Its most redeeming quality is that it played the "name card." If that is the trend.. and the rest of the line-up at Lincoln is throwing letter to the wind, or rather shaping them into tangible words.. then I get it.. but if this and the Navigator are the only named vehicles.. then I have to wonder why. 

This versus any Cadillac other than the 5 year old XTS is ridiculous. Versus the CT6??? GTFO of here. The XTS is ths car's target.. and even that I truly believe trumps it. For one.. its a CADILLAC. 

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I think the other thing I would look at with any luxury car is chassis tuning, and everyone gets dinged by me here, even Cadillac. Acura has really dumped down their suspension tuning as of late, Lexus has gone a bit softer in the suspension tuning, Cadillac CTS and ATS still could be more athletic, and BMW is no longer the ultimate driving machine.  Benz is becoming more and more of a heavily dulled down old mans car in terms of driving dynamics also.

The older TSX models from Acura, the SC 300 and 400 Luxury coupes by Lexus of 20 years ago, and about a billion previous BMW's and Audi's had excellent chassis feedback with an acceptable ride.

I personally would rather own an E36 M3 or E46 M3 chassis BMW than any luxury car built today (other than maybe a CTS-V) for the chassis tuning alone. I will invite the wrath of Cmicasa and Drew on this one, but car to car, I think I would take the chassis feel on the E36M3 and E46M3 BMW over even the CTS-V.

We never got around to what I disliked about the MKZ in the other thread, but C and driver was fairly critical of the chassis tuning.

So when I see the Continental, I see a car that will likely not have suspension tuning like I like, and is visually heavy.  But in the interest of fairness, I will list a laundry list of POSITIVES about the car.

#1. love the integrated door handles with the belt line-really classy.

#2. Side spear of chrome is well done and well placed, I like that accent.

#3. Like the MKZ in the other thread, the continental looks fairly good from behind.  It needs to lose some wight and gain some athleticism where the rear transitions to the sides, though.

#4. As mentioned previously, I love the color choices Lincoln has. The Dark grey green on the Lincoln build site for the MKZ is to die for.

#5. I think they did a really nice job picking up the Lincoln heritage with the interior.  I can't pick up a specific detail that makes me think this way, but to me it feels like the have kept the heritage of the 60's and 70's cars alive while making the interior thoroughly modern.

#6. While I would rate Chassis tuning very highly and materials section rather low, Lincoln has fantastic quality in terms of interior materials.

#7. they really, really beat the piss out of Acura with interior ergonomics. Not really sure who designs Acura interiors, but they are the worst in terms of actual use. Would love to find the Klingotn or android that Honda has on staff up in Marysville to evaluate these.

#8. I think keeping the Conti as fWD or AWD makes sense, as most drivers will do better with FWD in inclement weather, which is like half of the Untied States.

#9. Would love to see how the twin turbo V6 works out over time, the Ecoboost in my neighbors and friends F-150's is fantastic.

#10. Kind of intrigued with the black label marketing campaign-seems kind of rational, curious how this works out for them. 

Regards

Chris

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1 hour ago, Wings4Life said:

 

Wow.

OK, so let’s review:

1.      I am not allowed to disagree on a remark that Conti is ‘not photogenic’ or that it has ‘excessive chrome.’

2.      I can't suggest that Lincoln offers more luxury than Buick and Acura.

 

1) Its goofy looking and reminds me of an old Audi A6.. from like 2005

2) Lincoln in terms of luxury, and only on Black Label, is about a 6, while Buick is a 5.8.. until the new Lacrosse is considered and then all to hell with that.. I would put the LaX Premium on the same level as Black Label . God knows how this will turn out when the Avenir label jumps on the bumper of Buick. 

 

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FWIW, I consider "excessive chrome" when it's added to mirrors and stripes on the side. I'm like @dfelt in that I'm more of a monochromatic kind of person and I'd like both of those pieces to be body color. The big chrome grill is okay and works on this car. I do like the natural, outdoor lighting as opposed to any of the other pictures that have been taken of the car. That burgundy color... looks absolutely wonderful!!

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      Competitors: Lexus RX, Audi Q5, Cadillac XT5, Mercedes-Benz GLE, Acura MDX
      2019 Lincoln MKC

      The Details: MKC moves to the new Lincoln look, but product planners didn’t come up with a name in time. Aside from that, the interior and mechanical features carry over.
      Why it Matters: This one is a head scratcher. I can only think that for some reason Lincoln didn’t think there were enough changes to the MKC to warrant a name change. People are inherently visual though, so even if there wasn’t an engine change under the hood, the visual change is distinctive enough that now is probably time to do a name change like the Lincoln Nautilus.  The MKC sells well, and with this handsome new update, I expect it to do even better. Click here for more information on the 2019 Lincoln MKC
      Next Up: Infiniti QX50 and QX80


       
      2019 Infiniti QX50

      The Details: Infiniti finally replaces the old G37 based QX50, but that necessitates a move to front-wheel drive. The QX50 is the launch platform for Infiniti’s revolutionary new engine that is capable of a variable compression ratio.  The new 2.0T with VC can change the compression ratio from 8:1 to 14:1.
      Why it Matters: I’ll be sad to see the old QX50 go. In spite of its aging platform and interior electronics, it had a butter smoothness and great handling. It never really got a foothold in the market. But auto enthusiast feelings aside, this new QX50 is likely to be the bread and butter of Infiniti’s lineup for the foreseeable future.  It hits right in the bullseye of the compact luxury crossover market and does so with a compelling performance argument and a fantastic looking interior. Click here for more information on the 2019 Infiniti QX50
      Competitors: Lincoln MKC, Mercedes-Benz GLC, Acura RDX, Lexus NX, Audi Q3, Land Rover Evoque, Jaguar E-Pace
      2018 Infiniti QX80

      The Details: QX80 gets an updated front clip and a massaged interior
      Why it Matters: Like the Lexus LX650, the QX80 rides on an older platform from a mass-market brand, in this case, the 2010 Nissan Patrol.  The 2017 Armada had a face only a mother could love, but with the update for 2018 it has grown substantially more handsome. The interior has been coiffed with attractive new quilted and stitched leather, though technology has not been updated to include the likes of Android Auto and Apple CarPlay.  Mechanically, the QX80 still uses the old 5.6 liter V8 producing 400 horsepower / 417 lb-ft of torque routed through a 7-speed automatic.  Fuel economy is a 1997 like 15 mpg combined.
      Competitors: Lexus LX560, Cadillac Escalade, Lincoln Navigator, Mercedes-Benz GLS, Audi Q7
       
      Next Up: Volvo XC40 and Land Rover Range Rover SVAutobiography


      2018 Volvo XC40

      The Details: The XC40 is the first vehicle on Volvo’s new CMA platform.  It features a 248 hp 2 liter turbo four cylinder routing through an 8-speed automatic to all four wheels. People familiar with the controls from Volvo’s larger SPA platform vehicles like XC90 and S80 will feel right at home as most of touchy stuff is lifted straight from them. You will also be able to subscribe to the XC40 rather than buy or lease.  Basically a 15,000 mile a year lease that includes all maintenance and insurance.
      Why it Matters: Another entry straight at the heart of the compact luxury crossover market. The recent Volvos have been a hit and I expect this one to be as well. The floor display had a few questionable interior materials and some visible exterior manufacturing defects, so I hope those get sorted soon as these XC40s are rolling down the manufacturing line already. Volvo’s policy of electrifying every vehicle that make means that a plug-in hybrid version of the XC40 is coming, however the Volvo rep I spoke to refused to confirm.  Volvo’s subscription idea is intriguing and it will be interesting to see if it takes off. Click here for more information on the 2018 Volvo XC40
      2018 Range Rover SVAutobiography

      The Details: An Ultra-Luxury Range Rover
      Why it Matters:  Are you a Russian Oil Tycoon or an NBA star?  If so, then it matters.  If not, just look at it and dream from behind the velvet ropes while the booth attendants sneer at you. It has power close rear doors, executive seating, and a new infotainment system. There is a hidden refrigerator in between the rear seats that holds two wine bottles plus two glasses and opens with the touch of a button. The closest competitor I can think of isn't an SUV at all, but the S-Class Maybach.  This is Land Rover's interpretation of the segment. 
      Competitors: Mercedes Benz GLS550 Designo, Bentley Bentaga, S-Class Maybach
       
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