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25 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

inferior pleb non-tesla charging app

do they charge a vehicle in a half hour? no. 

i used a 'fast charger' with my tesla and it took forever. the only positive was that it was near a denny's so i could go inside and remind myself why i live on a coast. 

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So you went to Denny's to punish yourself for using a "fast" charger? I almost stopped at a Denny's over the weekend, but then I realized there were literally a dozen places that wouldn't give me violent diarrhea.

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7 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

do they charge a vehicle in a half hour? no. 

i used a 'fast charger' with my tesla and it took forever. the only positive was that it was near a denny's so i could go inside and remind myself why i live on a coast. Honestly, I’m just trolling anyway so don’t mind me. It’s why I insulted Casa.

Let me file this under “so what?”. They are available nonetheless across the nation and a faster service is on the way. Clearly its not an issue for Bolt buyers, judging by sales figures that were limited to only a handful of states until recently.  

 

Oh and I fixed that last part for you, since you went out of your way to fix mine.

3 minutes ago, Intrepidation said:

So you went to Denny's to punish yourself for using a "fast" charger? I almost stopped at a Denny's over the weekend, but then I realized there were literally a dozen places that wouldn't give me violent diarrhea.

Puts himself on a pedestal with his Tesla example only to eat at the worlds $h!tiest chain of restaurants. LMAO!

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stirring their bottomless dark coffee poetically mirrors your country's dark swirling spiral into oblivion and i like the cheesecake

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19 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

stirring their bottomless dark coffee poetically mirrors your country's dark swirling spiral into oblivion and i like the cheesecake

My message got deleted and this drivel remains. Insane. 

The Bolt charges up to 

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28 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

My message got deleted and this drivel remains. Insane.

when you finally make a post that actually acknowledges the bigger picture, maybe it won’t get deleted.

 

also, for the record, everyone who is anyone knows that, if you want a classic casual sit down experience and salad bar induced diarrhea, you sit your ass down at big boy. or shoney’s.

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13 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Back to reality, Musk says Tesla still in 'production hell'.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/10/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-in-model-3-production-hell/

The company is tiny yet has huge name recognition / buzz.

Publicly claiming huge production goals, then upping the timeline for such was a major & unnecessary mistake.

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6 hours ago, balthazar said:

The company is tiny yet has huge name recognition / buzz.

Publicly claiming huge production goals, then upping the timeline for such was a major & unnecessary mistake.

 

I wonder if this recent hiccup will put a dent in their perception.

And if it doesnt...I wonder how many more hiccups  and/or missteps it will take for people to take them off that pedestal.

I must apologize to you as you called it...you questioned their ability to get the Model 3 production on time and I contradicted you.

You were right, I was wrong.

With that being said, this is an error that Tesla will surely learn from, like with the Model X's unnecessary complicated rear doors that Musk admitted was a wrong decision. 

The Model 3 is a fantastic EV that hits many sweet spots regarding where the Model 3 fits in in its market with its  targeted consumer.

Size, range, price....

It also falls short in some areas but no car is perfect.

(If) and when Tesla gets production going on it and the people that actually reserved for it get to own the bloody thing, it will only make Tesla that much more desirable.

GM does have 20 EVs heading our way from now until 2021 or 2022 or whenever they said, which will most definitely give Tesla a run for its money...its just that Tesla is the one that is the more desirable product. For now. 

Question remains. How many more hiccups and missteps can Tesla afford to make until people give up on them.

It took GM (and the other 2 members of the Detroit gang) a lot before they lost America's confidence. 2 decades worth of not so-good cars such as the Pinto and Vega and Citation, etc.

 

LETS US NOT FORGET THOUGH...TESLA IS A GLOBAL COMPANY.

TESLA SELLS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND TESLA IS DESIRABLE GLOBALLY...

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Thanks for the kudo; it seems rather obvious if one is objective.

It's a rarified event for a publicly-held company to exist 14 years with zero profit- the stock should be around where Ford's was back around 2009; $2.50/share. The public perception surrounding Tesla is unprecedented in the auto industry. I've never seen such an extreme disconnect between investors and a company balance sheet. That's incredible good will/ perception/ suspension of tangibility. But the lack of profitability HAS to be biting at Musk hard at this point.

Musk has done so much right but at the same time he seems so easily distracted. Inter-city rocket travel?? Is this making people who have waited 2 years for their Model 3 feel better towards the Company?

'Tesla is more than a car company' - then it needs more than one guy to run all these companies. The name is made on EV vehicles; focus on getting that to run smoothly and start making a profit. Tesla vehicles is the cornerstone, it must be on bedrock if the entity is to survive. This other 'pie-in-the-sky' stuff has to wait. 

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Yes...and I dont get the part where Tesla is jumping the gun on 18 wheelers and yet another CUV, but doesnt know what platform to build it on...another bespoke platform or use the Model 3...but the Model 3 is not off the ground yet...production hell as its called...

Shouldnt all Tesla's resources...all resources...man power, money, brains, thoughts, prayers...be focused on getting the Model 3 to consumer's hands instead of milking the Tesla buzz into products that wont be produced for another decade or two the way Tesla runs things now???!!!

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9 hours ago, FAPTurbo said:

do they charge a vehicle in a half hour? no. 

i used a 'fast charger' with my tesla and it took forever. the only positive was that it was near a denny's so i could go inside and remind myself why i live on a coast. 

The Bolt gets a 90% charge in 30 minutes if starting from zero on a DC Fast Charger.   

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43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The Bolt gets a 90% charge in 30 minutes if starting from zero on a DC Fast Charger.   

miles* 90 miles in 30 minutes. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-chevrolet-bolt-specs-comparison/

Which is still much slower than a Tesla on a SuperCharger. 130 miles in 30 minutes. 

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6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

miles* 90 miles in 30 minutes. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-chevrolet-bolt-specs-comparison/

Which is still much slower than a Tesla on a SuperCharger. 130 miles in 30 minutes. 

He never said it was faster but FAP implied that Bolt had no fast charging when they clearly do.

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9 hours ago, Blake Noble said:

when you finally make a post that actually acknowledges the bigger picture, maybe it won’t get deleted.

 

also, for the record, everyone who is anyone knows that, if you want a classic casual sit down experience and salad bar induced diarrhea, you sit your ass down at big boy. or shoney’s.

Bigger picture??? That's all I have done since I stated posting in this thread SLICK.. The post that got deleted was about Frogger's off-topic BS and insult of Cadillac owners.

But in your words... What is the bigger picture? The way I see the bigger pic is the same was I saw it back on the Post from  . That Tesla's moment is possibly diminishing with every day that passes.. as the big boys gravitate towards an EV rich line-up. The Bolt.. a singularity at GM is currently eating away at Tesla's market share in one quick swoop.. and it just went country wide a few months ago... not to mention as someone else pointed out... it looks more "tree-hugger than hotrod." What happens when GM's ( or other OEs) experiment is over.. yielding them all the awards.. new conquest sales.. a stock price that has been strong since this new foray into future propulsion was announced.. and a new reputation for GREEN.. and they decide to implement all they have learned in from the Bolt/Volt into a regular looking Malibu, CT3, XT5, Tahoe or Silvy??? Tesla either goes the way of Tucker.. or is swallowed up like... Eagle.. or made into a subsid like Maserati for the name. 

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33 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

miles* 90 miles in 30 minutes. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-chevrolet-bolt-specs-comparison/

Which is still much slower than a Tesla on a SuperCharger. 130 miles in 30 minutes. 

whoops.. you're right. I haven't had my tea yet.

but still.... it's not like it's slow.

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Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

whoops.. you're right. I haven't had my tea yet.

but still.... it's not like it's slow.

150A  DC charger the Bolt goes to 100 miles range. which is easily enough if U are in a hurry. 

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3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Tesla's high share price will prevent them from getting swallowed up

We both kno that stock prices can bottom out in a hurry.. especially when the entire company is a non-profit making entity that is full of debt and has production woes that could hurt it very soon. One good recall or serious issue with a singular product line.. (they only have three at this point) could kill them. $355 right now.. but a penny stock tomorrow. Drastic I kno.. but still investors are getting weary

  • "Every month that passes without significant deliveries of the Model 3 will shine the lights on Tesla and force stockholders to check under the hood and they may be distressed to find a cash incineration engine," Yusko, whose firm manages $1.8 billion, wrote in an email. CNBC

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On another note.. what is the deal with the U.S. gov not pushing for the European jump on 350 KW charging stations? 190 miles of range in about 20 minutes is fantastic. 

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46 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

150A  DC charger the Bolt goes to 100 miles range. which is easily enough if U are in a hurry. 

If you're in a hurry a 30 minute wait isn't what you're looking for, regardless of the vehicle you're charging. Hopefully a charger is available too. 

40 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

On another note.. what is the deal with the U.S. gov not pushing for the European jump on 350 KW charging stations? 190 miles of range in about 20 minutes is fantastic. 

That's game-changing type of charging right there. 

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37 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

DOesn't matter if the government pushes it if the cars aren't able to handle it.

There is such a thing as recharging a battery too fast

True.. but the tech is rising by the day. The batteries are what they are right now.. but again we both kno that they are a way better than they were 3 years ago

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

If you're in a hurry a 30 minute wait isn't what you're looking for, regardless of the vehicle you're charging. Hopefully a charger is available too. 

you don't do a full charge if you're in a hurry, you only give yourself enough range to make it to your next planned charge.

So if you're only planning on another 30 miles before you plug in again... just stay charging for 15 minutes.  You're also probably not starting from absolute zero. 

Again, living with an EV requires changing your mindset on how, when, and how much you charge up.  You'll rarely, if ever, do a full charge while you're away from the house and you'll start each morning with a full charge.

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

If you're in a hurry a 30 minute wait isn't what you're looking for, regardless of the vehicle you're charging. Hopefully a charger is available too. 

That's game-changing type of charging right there. 

Hence the reason why the industry hasn't just abandoned ICEs. I still believe that despite the Bolt's current success.. the Chevy Volt and CT6 PHEV are the better vehicles simply because of the current infrastructure issues. Gas stations are way more plentiful than EV charging.. not to mention a fill up to 400 miles is only 5 minutes, with a run inside for a Hoagie away. IMO.. GM would be smart to play that car too. Boost the EV range of the Volt, CT6, and what's coming... to say 100 miles.. and still have that gas tank sitting there for us slackers. 

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Hold on now...

We are getting away from reality.

The Bolt...or Model 3... has a range of at least 200 miles the first thing we do when we get into the car when we first drive it assuming we plugged it in the night before so we have a 100% charge from the get-go...

To use all that range...it will take...simple grade school math...3 hours of driving 65 mph to exhaust the range and we will have traveled...about 200 miles...

Why the phoque are we traveling in a hurry when our known destination is more than 3 hours away and more than 200 miles?

An airplane might be more of an appropriate method of travel, non?

 

(The argument is about us being in a hurry)

(EV infrastructure being on the thin side as of now...its more about personal  choices and EVs as of now)

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    • By dfelt
      Tesla Unveils Tesla Semi Truck and Roadster 2.0

      Tesla did a full unveiling of their Tesla Semi last night, showing what the Power of Electric Powertrains brings to the Big Rig World. With a center seating position for superior visibility, a Frunk on the truck and two passenger seats behind the driver, you have a Semi that can achieve 0 to 60 in 5 seconds for the Cab versus 15 seconds for a traditional Diesel cab. 
      Under full load of 80,000 lbs, Tesla Semi can go 0 to 60 in 20 seconds compared to a Diesel Semi at almost 40 seconds. The Tesla Semi shows why electrification is the future as the same Diesel truck, 80,000 lbs cannot hold more than 45 MPH on a 5% grade hill. Tesla Semi can maintain a 65 MPH up the full 5% grade hill.
      Tesla also anounced that their trucks will have two options, 300 mile battery pack and a 500 mile battery pack. Most Semi's travel no more than 250 miles a day making the Tesla Semi the quietest and best solution for inner city deliveries as well as inner state transportation. Allowing for deliver and return to the hub with no charging needed during the trip.
      The Cab also has adjustable wings, this being the back section of the cab to handle all types of trailers old and new. Tesla Trailer is totally flat with superior storage capacity under the traditional trailer maximizing airflow around the whole truck, giving it a coefficient equal to a Bullet. Diesel Trucks have a Cd of 0.65 to 0.70, Bugatti Chiron has a 0.38 and the Tesla Semi is 0.36 Cd.
      The truck has autopilot and a 1 million mile warranty for the powertrain. Cost of the truck is recouped in 2 years compared to a Diesel cost including fuel and maintenance.
      Tesla put together the following operating costs:
      100 mile route (A-B-A)
      60 mph average speed with 80,000 lbs. GVW, $2.50 per gallon Diesel or 7 cents per kWh electricity price.
      Diesel truck is $1.51 per mile.
      Tesla truck is $1.26 per mile.
      They also compare it to rail transportation when you do a Tesla Semi convoy, they beat rail in price per mile.
      This is all attained with four independent electric motors and can be driven by anyone with a normal auto license since there is no gears. Check out the video below for full views of the inside and out of the Semi.
      Surprise announcement was the all new Roadster 2.0

      This is what I would call sex on wheels, Tesla has really improved and delivered a fast 2 door sports car that anyone can enjoy. 
      Tesla Roadster 2.0 Specification 0-60 1.9 seconds, 0 - 100 4.2 seconds with a quarter mile of 8.9 seconds certified and a 250+ MPH top speed. You get 3 motors, 200 kWh battery pack (620 miles) and 10,000 nm Torque (7,376 lb-ft) in a 2+2 configuration even though Musk does admit that you would not put people in the rear seat. Production 2020, taking pre orders now.
       
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