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Cheers and Jeers for 2017

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Well, that was a fast year.  Here are some of the things that happened in 2017:

A new American President was sworn into office and found to be a truth-challenged, serial golfing narcissist whose primary goal appeared to be undoing all the achievements of his predecessor.  His own crowning achievement was a windfall of wealth to corporate America and its officers at the expense of the lower and middle classes, future generations, and blue states.

A series of hurricanes swept through the Gulf of Mexico and ravaged Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, resulting in hundreds of billions of dollars in damages.  The country's deadliest mass shooting occurred in Las Vegas at the Route 91 Festival from a madman in the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.  Last year's abundant rainfall in California gave way to some of the worst wildfires in California history that wiped out communities.  In Hollywood and Washington D.C. the “#MeToo” movement gave power to sexual assault victims and toppled entertainment and political titans. The fidget spinner fad peaked.

Prominent passings in the entertainment industry included Mary Tyler Moore, Sean Cassidy, Adam West, Roger Moore, Tom Petty, and Chuck Berry.

In the automotive world, passenger sedans continued to fall out of favor, with the future of the Chevy Impala and Ford Fusion in doubt.  Cadillac will be consolidating several sedans under a single nameplate.  New versions of the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord were introduced.  The march towards fully autonomous vehicles continued, and Uber inked a deal with Volvo for fully autonomous vehicles. Vehicles that went away include the Viper, Buick Verano, Hyundai Azera, Honda Accord Coupe, Nissan Juke, and Volkswagen Touareg.

GM rid itself of Opel to the PSA Group, which decided it overpaid and wants half its money back because of vehicle emissions and what they deemed to be the lack of a credible plan to get the fleet to conformity.

In the aftermath of Dieselgate, Volkswagen is going all-in with electric vehicles.  China, France, and the U.K. look to ban new vehicles with internal combustion engines in about 20 years, and California considers the same.  GM, Volvo, Toyota and others announced major electrification efforts for their fleets within five years.

I was barely on the C&G boards the past year because of job and family, and my interest in personal transportation has shifted to human-powered two-wheeled devices and EVs (my household has two).  I have cobbled together the 16th Anniversary Edition of Cheers and Jeers, but I'm unfortunately unable to note whatever drama has been happening in the forums since I wasn't here enough to experience it.  Here are some automotive highlights and lowlights:

Cheers to Lincoln for Best Move by bringing back real names.  The MKX is being reborn as the Nautilus with its refresh as Lincoln goes with a nautical theme.  If only Cadillac would rid itself of the awful CT and XT naming convention.

Cheers to Tesla for Best Car Reveal by surprising everyone and bringing out a new Roadster from the back of the Semi after revealing that.  The Semi is also significant for its moderate $150k cost and up to 500 mile range if they can deliver.

Jeers to Tesla for the slow roll-out of the Model 3, which was not ready for prime time and beset by welding issues.

Cheers to Mazda for Best New Engine Technology with their Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition gas engine that is projected to have 30% better fuel economy when introduced in the 2020 Mazda3.

Cheers to Chevy for the Best Truck Reveal in the surprising introduction of the new 2019 Silverado at the Chevy truck centennial celebration at the Texas Motor Speedway.

Cheers to FCA for increasing sales of the aging Ram, even surpassing the Silverado for a few months.  Ford, with the new Super Duty trucks, increased domestic truck sales the most and outsells Silverado and GMC Sierra combined.

Cheers to Kia for Best New Sedan for the Stinger.  Who would have imagined that once-lowly Kia would sell a RWD or AWD car that is competitive with the BMW 3 Series?  It helps to have talent that was at Audi and BMW.

Jeers to Honda for Most Disappointing New EV for the class-lagging Clarity with only 89 miles of range.  Only the Fiat 500e and smart fortwo electric have lower ranges now that the Mitsubishi i-MIEV and Mercedes B250e are no longer sold in the US.  The Plug In Hybrid and Fuel Cell versions of the Clarity are decent though. 

Wishing all a safe, prosperous, and Happy New Year!

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Awesome @bobo, Hope to see you post more about EV's and your Two Wheel fascination. :D 

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I agree with Drew @bobo you really need to stick around and add 2-wheel news to our alternative forum. 

This local Seattle company has exploded with sales of EV Bikes.

https://www.electricbikeseattle.com/

Some pretty cool tech.

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Well I used to look forward to this each year, but I didn't bother reading past the unnecessary, inflammatory, untrue first paragraph.

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Seeing Im still in a 1980s state of mind...

The more things change, the more they stay the same. 

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Now, did you read the news today?
They say the danger has gone away
But I can see the fire's still alight
They're burning into the night
There's too many men, too many people
Making too many problems
And there's not much love to go around
Can't you see this is the land of confusion?

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Seeing Im still in a 1980s state of mind...

The more things change, the more they stay the same. 

 

 

Rock and roll is still the best way to mock the status quo...we need a new version of this for 2017.

16 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Well I used to look forward to this each year, but I didn't bother reading past the unnecessary, inflammatory, untrue first paragraph.

If anything he was overly kind.

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41 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Rock and roll is still the best way to mock the status quo...we need a new version of this for 2017.

If anything he was overly kind.

This post should have been divided into two.

Two different ideas requiring to separate upvotes.  I could only give you one upvote.

Rock-N-Roll from the very humble beginnings of it being a mix of black and white music (but it being more heavily influenced by the black part) and it being a youth rebellion against the old fogeys of the time plus it being called the Devil's music in the bible belt (because it was black music) is exactly perfect for it.

In the 1960s...it became a way to tell the government to shove it (on several social problems of the day) and to give the status quo  the middle finger. All that youthful rage continued on to the 1980s.

Sexuality...and rock-n-roll....

It blew the taboo blinders off with an explosion equal to an atomic bomb. 

Rock-n-Roll...no better way to rebel. 

About the current Pres in charge. 

Well...I aint about gonna get meself into trouble because this site is JUST ABOUT the automobile and nothing else...

I do wanna just state one gripe I have...and its not about the President in charge.

Its about the whiny posters in this website.

One poster writes something negative about a certain Presidents and downvotes are everywhere.

Whiny posts about defending that one President...

You know what?

I too...have feelings about the President in charge!

Mine are probably the opposite of yours...

YOU may happen to adore what HE is doing for whatever reasons. WHICH IS FINE!

HOWEVER...HIS MAJESTY'S policies that YOU align yourself with has a NEGATIVE affect ON MY life...

I get that if HIS MAJESTY'S policies reflected a benefit for MY lifestyle, it be a NEGATIVE on YOUR life...

 

Which is just phoquing fantastic???!!!

But that is the thing...

I HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO YOUR BLOODY VIEWS...

YOU DONT HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO MINE!!! 

I AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE AND RESPECT your POV!

YOU dont return the favour to me!

Without naming names...posters.

That lying sack of shyte is ready to destroy trillions of trade dollars between the US and Canada...all to benefit the American consumer???!!!

Boeing...soft lumber...and countless of other aspects of the trade relationship Canada has with the US.

You dont know how badly Canada has bent over backwards for the greater good of money between our two countries over the past few decades...

And this lying sack of shyte treats MY political leader like a joke? Like a child? 

Conservatives in my country hate Trudeau and have laughed at him the same way(his hair)this aint about that though...

That hate is also a hate because the man is French...well...he has a French name. THAT would be enough to hate him...

But...your lying sack of shyte is making it hard for me to buy ANYTHING American as of late. 

So...when someone tries to lecture me about how  a certain paragraph is unnecessary and untrue and all of that...I also get a tad annoyed by THAT point of view! 

Either DEAL with the fact that the lying sack of shyte in office is exactly that...a lying sack of shyte...or just roll with the punches and just say the man in the White House is a polarizing figure and he has many people that dont like him...

I DO accept that the President of the United States of America has a job to do...and if his decisions are to better his country a certain way...then so be it...even if it means pissing me off in the process. 

I could live with that...

But please...spare me YOUR crying. 

Because as you could see...I also have deep issues regarding the President of the Untied States of America.  For or against...

(I may be Canadian...but I want MY Prime Minister to DEFEND the RIGHTS of Canadians and Canadian BUSINESSES regarding the USofA) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cars are my way to escape. lets get back to cars.

2017 saw me get a car my wife and daughters love.  Having lots of fun with my family. That is what matters.

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2018 is an exciting year as we see what EV concepts are shown as well as the move by all companies to embrace more CUV / trucks as they reduce the car thing, so much excitement, so little time to enjoy it all. :metal: 

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The rules were broken.  Hence the downvote.  Then to make matters worse, the site owner only selectively enforces his own rules as stated for all of us to see.  I do not give a rat's ass what your political views are, but they should be kept out of here except in the section dedicated to the subject.  I did not start this fight, but I am damned sure not going to let it go unanswered.

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I actually find it amusing more than anything.... But a snowflake really needs to take his meds if he gets triggered by that 

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Hilarious I'm the one in the wrong.  Drew needs to take down the outdated "rules" he has stuck up there if they mean nothing.  I don't post political things in here.

Plus I am so tired of scrolling for DAYS past a 15,000 word oldshurst442 post.  It is like he's always having heavy flow days.  OMG.  And he/she's not "losing his mind"?  LOL.  It's so easy.

Really Moltar?  REALLY? 

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

Hilarious I'm the one in the wrong.  Drew needs to take down the outdated "rules" he has stuck up there if they mean nothing.  I don't post political things in here.

Plus I am so tired of scrolling for DAYS past a 15,000 word oldshurst442 post.  It is like he's always having heavy flow days.  OMG.  And he/she's not "losing his mind"?  LOL.  It's so easy.

Really Moltar?  REALLY? 

 

 

Yeah...sure.

On 12/16/2017 at 6:09 PM, ocnblu said:

Spoken like a true Justin Trudeau constituent.  :P

 

I guess that is a #fakepost, right?  Did not happen, huh?

Or that when you do it its not meant to be taken seriously, right?

 

1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

Really Moltar?  REALLY? 

 

 

Why are YOU so upset and surprised by Moltar's down vote?

You are the only one CONSISTENTLY and CONSTANTLY down voting folk for shyte that disagrees with your socio and political bias.

YOU (and  another poster who shall remain nameless) are the ONLY ones using the laughing up-vote one sarcastically regarding posts that are  the opposite of how you view things...

 

1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

Plus I am so tired of scrolling for DAYS past a 15,000 word oldshurst442 post.  It is like he's always having heavy flow days.  OMG.  And he/she's not "losing his mind"? 

So...like usual...you only want everybody to follow the rules that convenience you.

Whatever happened to the one that says talk about the subject matter which is cars and not about the poster?

It seems you want to muzzle everybody's differing opinion that is from yours...

1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

It's so easy.

Nice try bud.

But it seems that you are the one that is butt hurt from all this...

And you know what? You just got yourself another 15 000 word essay from me...

Image result for Life is good

 

 

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12 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Really Moltar?  REALLY? 

 

That's how it works..you post whiny drivel, you get a down vote..  

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11 hours ago, balthazar said:

Can I give a 'Jeer' to the whole 'upvote/downvote' universe?

Or would that be a defacto downvote? :scratchchin:

But then i would not be able to upvote Pontiacs when they come up....

Worth a watch...people who are frauds are always found out.  Kudos to the guitar community for calling out a fraud.

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13 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Hilarious I'm the one in the wrong.  Drew needs to take down the outdated "rules" he has stuck up there if they mean nothing.  I don't post political things in here.

Plus I am so tired of scrolling for DAYS past a 15,000 word oldshurst442 post.  It is like he's always having heavy flow days.  OMG.  And he/she's not "losing his mind"?  LOL.  It's so easy.

Really Moltar?  REALLY? 

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We need to re open the politics section I think. there are ways to cover this as adults.  And also good things Trump has done. Gotten rid of TPP.  He is working to protect our power grid from cyber attack.  He imports awesome neckties.  Would be open to discuss.  So nice of you also to post the selfie on the pony.  Always thought of you more as  a truck guy bill, but I guess horses go with trucks.

Kind of a nasty five O clock shadow in your selfie though.

The real Olson guitar works, not the fraud.....worth a watch also.

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37 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

oh look 2017 ended the way it started:

https://imgur.com/oOXDJDU

Dumpster fires are at least cleaning and get rid of trash...2018 will just pile more crap on top of 2017.

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Cheers for the EV movement of 2017! :metal: 

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14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

You are the only one CONSISTENTLY and CONSTANTLY down voting folk for shyte that disagrees with your socio and political bias.

What's wrong with that? Isn't that kind of what it is for? 

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

It seems you want to muzzle everybody's differing opinion that is from yours...

I don't see him trying to muzzle everybody, just you. 

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