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Cadillac released the pricing for the upcoming CT4 sedan for 2020. Ringing up at $33,990 for the base 2.0T RWD model with an 8-speed automatic, the CT4 undercuts the price of the outgoing ATS by a few grand.  This makes the CT4 roughly $7,000 cheaper than the same size 3-series or C-Class sedan or just $1k more expensive than a smaller A-Class Sedan.  Adding AWD will add about $2,500 to the price.  Buyers who want a bit more can opt for the Premium Luxury package with the 2.7-liter Turbo-4 making 309 horsepower and 348 lb.-ft of torque and a 10-speed automatic, brings the price to $38,490, adding AWD to that costs $3,200. 

If you're most interested in the V model with more power, 325 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft of torque, that will cost you $45,490. That gets you a RWD model with Brembo front brakes, a rear limited slip differential. Adding AWD to the V-series brings the price to $46,590.

The CT4 goes on sale early next year. 

 


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Sexy car. Love the new Cadillac front ends with Escala concept cue's. I hear Caddy is moving the 2021 Escalade towards this new design language as well. Great pricing strategy too.

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Oh wow, that seems priced to sell right out of the box. I think they did what all of us thought they should do and price it below competitors(based on size) but basically as much as the competitors(brands) smaller class of vehicle.  

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Premium Luxury is the way to go at only a $5k jump over the base model.  They over priced the base model, but they’ll probably have discounts or a lease special to move them.    Not sure if the V is worth it for another $7k for 16 horsepower and bigger brakes and a limited slip diff unless some other stuff is thrown in.

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Overpriced the base model?  What do you think of the A Class then? 

The V does seem like less of a bargain but then again the C43 starts at 55k so it is still significantly cheaper than that. Hell, an A45 is 53k. I know that's one hell of a car(A45) but that's one hell of an asking price as well. 

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2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Overpriced the base model?  What do you think of the A Class then? 

The V does seem like less of a bargain but then again the C43 starts at 55k so it is still significantly cheaper than that. Hell, an A45 is 53k. I know that's one hell of a car(A45) but that's one hell of an asking price as well. 

This should be priced below an A-class if they want them to sell.  Can’t compare this to a C-class as the C is a way better car, plus the CT5 is the C-class competitor.

Plus this is Cadillac, they can’t get German pricing.   Now I didn’t read the whole standard equipment list, if this car is really well equipped on the base model then the price is okay.  But this is basically Tesla Model 3 money without Tesla brand image.

 

 

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

This should be priced below an A-class if they want them to sell.  Can’t compare this to a C-class as the C is a way better car, plus the CT5 is the C-class competitor.

Plus this is Cadillac, they can’t get German pricing.   Now I didn’t read the whole standard equipment list, if this car is really well equipped on the base model then the price is okay.  But this is basically Tesla Model 3 money without Tesla brand image.

 

 

So you’ve been in and driven the CT4? Is that why you think the C Class is better? It’s not because you have already made up your mind because well, Mercedes?

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3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

This should be priced below an A-class if they want them to sell.  Can’t compare this to a C-class as the C is a way better car, plus the CT5 is the C-class competitor.

Plus this is Cadillac, they can’t get German pricing.   Now I didn’t read the whole standard equipment list, if this car is really well equipped on the base model then the price is okay.  But this is basically Tesla Model 3 money without Tesla brand image.

 

 

The C-class is not $10k better. Spend $41k at Benz and you're getting plastic seats and a rather pathetic 4-cylinder with RWD. Spend that at Cadillac and you're getting a well equipped car with a 2.7 liter that has a lot more power. 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The C-class is not $10k better. Spend $41k at Benz and you're getting plastic seats and a rather pathetic 4-cylinder with RWD. Spend that at Cadillac and you're getting a well equipped car with a 2.7 liter that has a lot more power. 

A Mercedes will last longer, has better resale, better interior, the MB-Tex will last forever.  I would bet $100 to a donut that the C-class will outsell the CT4 even costing $10k more because consumers know it is a better car.    CT5 is the C-class competitor now any way.    

I think CT4 is a decent alternative to an IS or Q50 that undercuts both in price, not those models are dying on the vine.  Kia Stinger and Genesis G70 are at this price point and don’t sell,  Alfa Romeo Guilia has power and performance and doesn’t sell.  CT4 is no different.

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7 hours ago, balthazar said:

No car COSTS you more money per segment than a mercedes- higher service cost, higher parts cost, higher depreciation cost (out of pocket) - it's throwing money away in order to try and impress people you'll never talk to or deal with.

Highest service costs and yet there are 500k miles E-class taxis out there and 500k mile Sprinter vans.  You’d think if maintenance was  an issue FedEx, UPS and Amazon and the taxi companies would either be broke or find something else.

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19 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Highest service costs and yet there are 500k miles E-class taxis out there and 500k mile Sprinter vans.  You’d think if maintenance was  an issue FedEx, UPS and Amazon and the taxi companies would either be broke or find something else.

Those are stripped-down diesels, though.  Normal consumers in the US don't buy those.   

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16 hours ago, smk4565 said:

This should be priced below an A-class if they want them to sell.  Can’t compare this to a C-class as the C is a way better car, plus the CT5 is the C-class competitor.

Plus this is Cadillac, they can’t get German pricing.   Now I didn’t read the whole standard equipment list, if this car is really well equipped on the base model then the price is okay.  But this is basically Tesla Model 3 money without Tesla brand image.

 

 

They aren't asking German car prices. It is SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Those are stripped-down diesels, though.  Normal consumers in the US don't buy those.   

They don’t but an E-class is an E-class, just because it has Nappa Leather and a digital screen doesn’t mean it has high maintenance costs.   A diesel probably last longer than a gas engine but I have seen 300k mile and up gas Mercedes too.

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

They aren't asking German car prices. It is SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS

Right, and you get what you pay for.  I actually thought CT4 should start at $30,990, because Cadillac has to attract buyers.  Going after the Germans for 15 years cost them market share and didn’t work.  They need to go a different direction.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Highest service costs and yet there are 500k miles E-class taxis out there and 500k mile Sprinter vans.  You’d think if maintenance was  an issue FedEx, UPS and Amazon and the taxi companies would either be broke or find something else.

Those examples can be found at lowly brands like Ford, Chevy, Dodge/Ram, Honda, and Toyota as well. That is nothing that shouldn't be expected with regular maintenance. 

5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Right, and you get what you pay for.  I actually thought CT4 should start at $30,990, because Cadillac has to attract buyers.  Going after the Germans for 15 years cost them market share and didn’t work.  They need to go a different direction.

Is it not obvious that they are going a different direction, pricing it nearly on top of the A Class, nearly identical to the A3, and less than the 2 Series. 

They are going the route of larger car for the money as the CT4 isn't nearly as small as its similarly priced luxury cars. 

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12 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The C-class is not $10k better. Spend $41k at Benz and you're getting plastic seats and a rather pathetic 4-cylinder with RWD. Spend that at Cadillac and you're getting a well equipped car with a 2.7 liter that has a lot more power. 

Worded that a little biased.. that 2.7 is also a 4-cylinder and the Benz 2.0 isn't pathetic at 255hp/273tq and we all know the Germans underrate their outputs. Anything running a 14.1 1/4(per C/D) isn't considered pathetic... 

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18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

They don’t but an E-class is an E-class, just because it has Nappa Leather and a digital screen doesn’t mean it has high maintenance costs.   A diesel probably last longer than a gas engine but I have seen 300k mile and up gas Mercedes too. 

But the consumer E-class likely has far more cabin electronics that will likely fail over time.  But consumers generally don't drive 300k miles;  maybe 35k on a 3 year lease?   And then the 2nd owner is on their own with the horror as the miles accumulate and it goes out of warranty...

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

 You’d think if maintenance was  an issue FedEx, UPS and Amazon and the taxi companies would either be broke or find something else.

Ford sells like 6 times the volume of Transits than mb does in the US; companies have already moved on from the freightliner vans. Then theres the Transit Connect. MB is playing catch up and it’s not working.

As far as high mileage goes, A woman drove her ‘64 Merc Comet to about 600,000 and a taxi driver took his early ‘60s Plymouth to 1,600,000 miles.

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7 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 As far as high mileage goes, A woman drove her ‘64 Merc Comet to about 600,000 and a taxi driver took his early ‘60s Plymouth to 1,600,000 miles.

Those are weird edge cases, though...most drivers didn't rack up those kind of miles on cars of that era...

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German car maintenance costs are irrelevant because consumers just don’t care.  The top 3 selling luxury brands in the world are German, 3 of the top 4 in the USA are German and it took Lexus being #1 in reliability for 10-15 years to get a reputation that was mostly built off Toyota.  And even today Lexus lives off 2 Camry platform products for a significant portion of their sales.  Lexus IS dead in the water with their products that start over $50k.

Cadillac is making the right move with larger car for less money, I think for what CT4 is it should have been even less money or else had more equipment standard.  Like automatic braking and other safety items should be standard for a $34k asking price.

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

They don’t but an E-class is an E-class, just because it has Nappa Leather and a digital screen doesn’t mean it has high maintenance costs.   A diesel probably last longer than a gas engine but I have seen 300k mile and up gas Mercedes too.

Right, and you get what you pay for.  I actually thought CT4 should start at $30,990, because Cadillac has to attract buyers.  Going after the Germans for 15 years cost them market share and didn’t work.  They need to go a different direction.

Mercedes is the epitome of high maintenance costs. Part for those sold here come from overseas, increasing said costs right off the bat, plus the fact that being an import luxury car, well everything is expensive on it. This is not even debatable unless you're a fanboy who doesn't want to acknowledge simple facts. The fact is that Mercedes and BMW (which is the highest to maintain btw) are the most expensive cars to maintain. A simple Google search will help you see this fact.

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Worded that a little biased.. that 2.7 is also a 4-cylinder and the Benz 2.0 isn't pathetic at 255hp/273tq and we all know the Germans underrate their outputs. Anything running a 14.1 1/4(per C/D) isn't considered pathetic... 

He wasn't talking about just the powertrain offering though. His statements, when taken in its entirety and not cherry picked, are accurate.

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12 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Mercedes is the epitome of high maintenance costs. Part for those sold here come from overseas, increasing said costs right off the bat, plus the fact that being an import luxury car, well everything is expensive on it. This is not even debatable unless you're a fanboy who doesn't want to acknowledge simple facts. The fact is that Mercedes and BMW (which is the highest to maintain btw) are the most expensive cars to maintain. A simple Google search will help you see this fact.

He wasn't talking about just the powertrain offering though. His statements, when taken in its entirety and not cherry picked, are accurate.

Even if BMW and Mercedes are the 2 most expensive are to maintain, it doesn’t matter.  They are the 2 best selling luxury brands in the world and in the USA.  And this is nothing new in terms of their.costs or their sales level.  
 

So how does Cadillac get sales?  Cadillacs cost less to buy and less to maintain yet they still don’t sell well.   

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17 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

He wasn't talking about just the powertrain offering though. His statements, when taken in its entirety and not cherry picked, are accurate.

I know. it was just the wording of "pathetic" and "4-cylinder". 

The engine isn't pathetic.

Bother are 4-cylinders.

I know the 2.7T is a better engine, the car offers a lot more for the money, etc. etc. 

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13 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Even if BMW and Mercedes are the 2 most expensive are to maintain, it doesn’t matter.  They are the 2 best selling luxury brands in the world and in the USA.  And this is nothing new in terms of their.costs or their sales level.  
 

So how does Cadillac get sales?  Cadillacs cost less to buy and less to maintain yet they still don’t sell well.   

Good grief man. You must getting tired from all that bar moving. Now that you have acknowledged that they are the most expensive to maintain, you try to deflect towards Cadillac and act like maintenance cost don't matter (because it doesn't suit your argument anymore). The reason for them doing better than Cadillac has been well discussed. It's called badge snobbery, mostly, with the other part being not as many models as the other two. It's simple math. While we talking about sales though, try that logic on the Escalade which outsells both competitors from BMW and Benz.

18 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I know. it was just the wording of "pathetic" and "4-cylinder". 

The engine isn't pathetic.

Bother are 4-cylinders.

I know the 2.7T is a better engine, the car offers a lot more for the money, etc. etc. 

Fair point but it should be pointed out that the C Class is a tick slower on that quarter mile than the now defunct ATS (with the 2.0L, it clocks in at 14.0 per MT) while being almost $10K more. The point here is that for $10K more, it should do better than that. You are paying more for less and all with pleather seats lol.

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First I doubt Mercedes is the most expensive to maintain, I had more stuff break on my GM vehicle than I have had on my Mercedes, my mom is on her 2nd Mercedes, and it has been more reliable than anything she had from Saab,  Volvo or Audi.  My friend has a Mercedes,  I problems.  JD Power Almost always has Mercedes ranked in the top 10 of all cars.  That brand image wouldn’t exist if they built crap that broke all the time.

If all it takes to have a successful luxury brand is a badge, why doesn’t Cadillac have badge snobs?  

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      Within the LYRIQ, the Ultium battery system is a structural element of the architecture, integrated in ways that contribute to ride and handling, as well as safety. In fact, the lower center of gravity and near 50/50 weight distribution enabled by the placement of the battery pack results in a vehicle that’s sporty, responsive and allows for spirited driving.
      Additionally, the LYRIQ is driven primarily by the rear wheels, with a performance all-wheel drive option available. The placement of the drive motor at the rear of the vehicle contributes an even greater feeling of balance and agility — attributes that affirm Cadillac’s longstanding commitment to satisfying performance. It also enables the system to channel more torque to the pavement without wheelspin for exhilarating acceleration and greater cornering capability. Vehicles equipped with performance all-wheel drive go a step further, with a second drive unit placed at the front of the vehicle, which allows for a significant amount of tuning flexibility, enhancing vehicle dynamics and performance for drivers.
      ALL-NEW ULTIUM BATTERY SYSTEM
      The Cadillac LYRIQ is powered by GM’s new Ultium battery system, which offers approximately 100 kilowatt-hours of energy to deliver stirring performance.
      Ultium’s state-of-the-art NCMA (nickel-cobalt-manganese-aluminum) chemistry uses aluminum in the cathode to help reduce the need for rare-earth materials such as cobalt. In fact, GM engineers reduced the cobalt content by more than 70 percent, compared to current GM batteries.
      The advanced battery chemistry is packed in large, flat pouch cells that enable smart module construction to reduce complexity and simplify cooling needs. Additionally, the battery electronics are incorporated directly into the modules, eliminating nearly 90 percent of the battery pack wiring, compared to GM’s current electric vehicles. 
      When it comes to charging, LYRIQ offers quick and convenient charging options whether at home or on the go. With DC fast charging, the LYRIQ can charge at rates over 150 kW. 
      ARTFULLY INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY
      Envisioned to make interaction with its technologies more intuitive and rewarding, the LYRIQ’s partnership with the driver and passengers is simultaneously energizing and artful.
      Upon approach, the LYRIQ recognizes the driver and initiates a “greeting” with a choreographed lighting sequence, while also preparing the cabin for the journey, including seat, mirror and climate system adjustments. Once inside, the LYRIQ offers Cadillac’s highest level of driver information, infotainment and connectivity integration, for a more seamless and rewarding experience.
      A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED display artfully integrates a single, large screen that spans the viewing area for the driver and incorporates driver information details, infotainment controls and camera views. This new display has the highest pixel density available in the automotive industry today and can display over one billion colors, 64 times more than any other vehicle in the automotive industry, providing a stunning in-vehicle experience unlike anything seen before from Cadillac.
      Additional technology and interactive highlights include:
      Battery and charging monitoring conveyed by easy, at-a-glance graphics. The system identifies the vehicle’s energy needs at home and on the go, according to owner preferences, while also monitoring and forecasting energy consumption and providing charging suggestions. New dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display employs two planes: a near plane indicating speed, direction and more, and a far plane displaying transparent navigation signals and other important alerts. The latest version of Super Cruise, the hands-free driver assistance feature, including automated lane change.3 Supervised remote parking that uses ultrasonic sensors to help the LYRIQ park itself in parallel or perpendicular parking spaces — whether the driver is inside or outside of the vehicle.4 SENSE OF SOUND
      LYRIQ’s technology also addresses sound in two important ways: Blocking unwanted sounds and making the most of the sounds passengers want to hear.
      For the first time, Cadillac will introduce a new road noise cancellation technology, which takes active noise cancellation to the next level by introducing more microphones and accelerometers, which improve noise cancellation abilities. With this new system, Cadillac’s performance and audio engineers can target the frequency range of tire cavity noise, reducing the noise level in the vehicle and allowing for a quieter in-cabin experience.
      The Cadillac LYRIQ builds on the brand’s exclusive partnership with AKG. “With LYRIQ we wanted to deliver a sound experience that would transport the driver from a vehicle into a recording studio,” said Hussein Khalil, Cadillac lead audio design release engineer. “With the AKG sound system, we are able to deliver this experience along with the quality and reliability luxury customers expect.”
      At launch, LYRIQ will offer a 19-speaker AKG Studio audio system that delivers exceptionally crisp and precise sound reproduction, enabling drivers and passengers to enjoy their favorite music.
      NEW FACE OF CADILLAC
      Cadillac’s first electric SUV makes a bold design statement that introduces a new face, proportion and presence for the brand’s new generation of EVs. It’s a forward-looking vision unconstrained by the needs of a traditional internal combustion engine and driveline.
      “The LYRIQ represents the next iteration of the iconic brand’s styling, enabled by electrification, as only Cadillac can express,” said Andrew Smith, executive director, Global Cadillac Design. “Inside and out, LYRIQ is a thoughtful integration of design and technology and is intended to make every drive an occasion.”
      Defined by taut lines and clean surfaces, LYRIQ is assertive and modern, characterized with a low, fast roofline and wide stance that emphasize agility and convey confidence. Additional details such as a flow-through roof spoiler express the careful attention paid to aerodynamics to optimize efficiency on the highway.
      A distinctive “black crystal” grille in the front is one of the LYRIQ’s most unique and expressive design elements. It is also a dynamic feature, as it is part of a dramatic lighting choreography that — along with bold vertical, slim LED signature lighting — greets the owner upon approach. At the rear, a split taillamp design incorporates slim LEDs that are also integrated into the lighting choreography.
      Inside, the LYRIQ’s new electric vehicle architecture opens up possibilities in vehicle spaciousness and design; and Cadillac designers used this as an opportunity to rethink how to use the space and where to locate various interior elements.
      The result is a more airy, minimalistic design that does more to involve the driver and passengers in the driving experience while offering exceptional functionality when it comes to storage solutions. It is also brimming with subtle yet obsessive details such as backlit speaker grilles, curved screens with hidden storage and, like the exterior, orchestrated lighting features.
    • By David
      Cadillac division sent out this email saying that the Cadillac Lyriq reveal will be August 6th 2020 @ 7PM. 
      Now the interesting part is what time zone? EST, MST, PST,.......... 🤔

    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      “This is our most extensive update we’ve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we’ve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,”  said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2

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    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      “This is our most extensive update we’ve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we’ve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,”  said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2
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