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Lots of interesting stuff happening as GM by divisions starts to release more info on their EV programs.

First is a interesting video on their Ultium batteries. This clearly shows how versatile they can build the battery packs.

https://plants.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/bcportal.html/currentVideoId/6157651202001/currentChannelId/Most Recent.gsaOff.html



They have released a video of a side profile of the new Chevrolet Bolt morphing into the Bolt EUV. I was able to download the video and as such, way more visual detail than on the posted web sites below are showing.

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.html

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33799068/chevy-2022-bolt-bolt-euv-tease/

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/26/2022-chevy-bolt-euv-teaser-video/

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/chevrolet-teases-2022-bolt-euv-and-ev-confirms-super-cruise-for-electric-suv/

https://insideevs.com/news/440899/chevrolet-bolt-euv-production-summer-2021/

 

Have to say the upcoming update to the Chevrolet Bolt and the EUV is nice looking and should sell even better than the old Bolt. Truly a much more CUV look.

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15 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Ultium, not 'Ultima'.

Ultium is also a brand of Purina horse feed.

https://www.purinamills.com/horse-feed/products/detail/purina-ultium-competition-horse-formula

I was thinking Ultima was a battery brand, but that's Optima..

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Still very cool what GM has created with their versatile battery cells.

I am also curious to see what else they have done with the redesigned Bolt / Bolt EUV.

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Sad Chevy let Hyundai troll them by switching a silhouette photo of the recently obsolete, stale, Hyundai Santa Fe Sport for the real Bolt EUV.  Oh wait...

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19 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Sad Chevy let Hyundai troll them by switching a silhouette photo of the recently obsolete, stale, Hyundai Santa Fe Sport for the real Bolt EUV.  Oh wait...

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You mean the same design language used by just about everyone these days?

 

Seriously, it is sad how someone always talks about "America first" and "buy American" when its convenient to them yet slams it at every turn because, oh my god, EVs. Troll somewhere the F else for once.

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Are you guys becoming the new tag team to replace Fap Turbo and Blake Noble in here?

1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

looks like at least half a dozen other CUVs because that's the design theme these days, homogenous. 

Exactly.  Which proves my point... it is dumber on Chevy's part to copy the silhouette of an obsolete Hyundai on a product that Barra wants SO BADLY to sell well, despite all odds against it!

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6 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Seriously, it is sad how someone always talks about "America first" and "buy American" when its convenient to them yet slams it at every turn because, oh my god, EVs. Troll somewhere the F else for once.

How about... "F" no.  If I want GM to be more than everyone else, I will say so.  This silhouette photo is not the least bit groundbreaking, new, or remotely interesting.  It is derivative, lazy, and copycat.  Not a good look after all the empty promises Barra's made recently.

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33 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Are you guys becoming the new tag team to replace Fap Turbo and Blake Noble in here?

Exactly.  Which proves my point... it is dumber on Chevy's part to copy the silhouette of an obsolete Hyundai on a product that Barra wants SO BADLY to sell well, despite all odds against it!

You might have a point except for one simple little fact. The fact is that it could look like the most ground breaking design ever and you would still take a dump on it because of its power train.

 

And we are just talking about a silhouette here and a CUV on top of that. ALL CUVs have that same basic profile much like how all pick ups basically have the same damn profile. It’s literally by design. How much more “groundbreaking” could it possibly be? Again, the design wouldn’t really matter anyway. You will never accept it. Stop trying to act like you are giving some kind of “objective” opinion here when your history suggests otherwise.

 

Oh and I don’t know what you are talking about in regards to the stupid “tag team” remark. I don’t care what someone else does here and I am not bound by any of their posts, votes, or anything else for that matter. Stop being so thin skinned.

24 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

How about... "F" no.  If I want GM to be more than everyone else, I will say so.  This silhouette photo is not the least bit groundbreaking, new, or remotely interesting.  It is derivative, lazy, and copycat.  Not a good look after all the empty promises Barra's made recently.

And you missed that point by a mile. It wasn’t just about the Bolt. It’s your general disdain for EVs, even when they are AMERICAN companies. You bash them at every chance yet will bitch on other threads about buying American and America first.

 

’F” that.

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Interesting how someone will preach about buy America, bitch about an American company and yet also has bought multiple non-American auto's including his mother's auto. 

So much for supporting America.

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11 minutes ago, balthazar said:

You have to admit: he's got you there. ;)

You forgot about this one too.

36 minutes ago, David said:

Interesting how someone will preach about buy America, bitch about an American company and yet also has bought multiple non-American auto's including his mother's auto. 

So much for supporting America.

 

 

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LOL in regards to what "auto" my mother drives... what was that lame excuse about a white dash being the "reason" the statue's wife doesn't have a Chevy Bolt?  Gotta keep 'em happy, RIGHT?  Despite EV being the second coming of Christ?  And you owning ZERO fuel efficient "auto's" (gotta have that inappropriate apostrophe) ?  Pot meet kettle.

Just to be clear, if it were an interesting profile photo, I would have remained silent until further ammunition was passed my way.  As it is, it was pounce-worthy right out of the gate.  An over-inflated Bolt on roller skates.  Blah.

I like how surreal tried to dig himself out of his design derivation hole comment with a more closely aimed edit fired at me.  But it was captured for posteriors posterity.

 

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4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

LOL in regards to what "auto" my mother drives... what was that lame excuse about a white dash being the "reason" the statue's wife doesn't have a Chevy Bolt?  Gotta keep 'em happy, RIGHT?  Despite EV being the second coming of Christ?  And you owning ZERO fuel efficient "auto's" (gotta have that inappropriate apostrophe) ?  Pot meet kettle.

Just to be clear, if it were an interesting profile photo, I would have remained silent until further ammunition was passed my way.  As it is, it was pounce-worthy right out of the gate.  An over-inflated Bolt on roller skates.  Blah.

I like how surreal tried to dig himself out of his design derivation hole comment with a more closely aimed edit fired at me.  But it was captured for posteriors posterity.

 

And YOU have used degrading terms for woman to try and justify an unwarranted hatred of not being blu's way. If you had a partner, you might understand the love one has to have their mate happy. 

I also have not hopped from auto to auto to auto compared to some that want instant gratification. I see what is coming and CHOOSE to wait to have the wife happy and achieve my own desires. 

So are you going to HATE as much on Hummer by GMC, Hummer ev, H as you have on GM's Bolt?

I remember once that YOU and I both did not like the Aluminum bed of the Ford F-150's and while they have seemed to hold up, YOU and I both still preferred STEEL bed over ALUMINUM.

Yet Aluminum is now very common and seems to be surviving as a high strength metal in Auto's and forecast's seem to have it gain even more use along with carbon fiber as a way to make auto's lighter and still strong. 

So I wonder how many years before you flip on going from ICE to EV's once some instant gratification tickles your fancy. 🤔

I will give you credit for standing your ground on your hatred for all things EV. 

I once thought like you but as I learned more and more about EV's I see more positive than negative. I also see like Baby Boomers who have resisted change and acceptance of technology, they are left behind and eventually disappear as we all will.

Live your life to the fullest, as I will mine and I will enjoy the changes that the modern tech world brings with diversity in a Multi-Cultural world of Color. The variety of life that various Foods, Auto's, to cloths, furniture, etc. brings.

Viva la EV's. 

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The Bolt has a terrible shape to it and this looks the exact same.. 

EDIT: I didn't realize that was a video of it morphing. It certainly is different and better. 

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8 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

How does anyone make EVs stand out without alienating potential buyers these days?  Real Q for anyone.

I think the answer will be in having them look normal like any other auto and not looking weird like the Leaf has looked. Nissan already has stated the Leaf will not move into the future with their EV product roadmap. They will have their EV's look exactly like the regular ICE auto's. 

I think that will end up changing people perception. Once someone gets in an auto they like the look of, drives it, they might or might not realize it is electric.

I think they will then see a larger change over. This will also require the dealerships to educate their sales staff on the subtle differences between the auto due to the powertrain differences.

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EVs are... just are. 

The technology behind what makes EVs tick will just improve as time goes by.  (I didnt say anything special, its just how it goes with technology.)  

EVs are... just are.   

As many people pushing forward with them, there are people that are against them and wish EVs gone...

Will EVs survive the next decade?

Will ICE survive the next decade?

Socio-economic realities will dictate who wins this battle in the coming decade...

What do manufacturers have to do not to alienate possible EV consumers?

Like any other vehicle or product sold for the consumption of the mass public whether it be a car, a toaster or a tampon :   Its all about the product itself.   MARKETING 101

For an EV car:

Its got to be desirable.

Its got to be user friendly.   In the US, many anti-EVers put a lot of hindering spikes to prevent EV infrastructure to happen....and all kinds of excuses are being disingenuously spewed...

EVs...are just are.

They already perform like ICE cars.  Just a few tweaks here and there, small concessions to be made to be livable day to day. Nothing major really.  If we are really honest about it...   

EVs are...just are.  

Different buying options are missing at this point in time.  Its just Tesla really.  And those have proven to be...quite awesome actually. But, they do have their faults.  Not the tech.   The tech is superior to anything else out there today.  Its the car building are that Tesla lacks.   

Because the tech is sooooo much more advanced than their rivals, that their rivals dont stand a chance of selling right about now.  But because Tesla car building is that much more behind than the conventional car builders, than those that arent comfy in buying an expensive transportation device will NOT spend the money buying an EV, either from Tesla or otherwise.

Will there ever BE a tipping point for EVs?

Time will tell.

But, as GM and Porsche, and Ford, and all others and possibly Rivian and Lucid all come to produce EV tech  on par  (slighly less than Tesla or slightly better than Tesla)  and as Tesla improves their tech, and as the others keep up, than EVs will get that fair chance to succeed in the coming decade. 

Socio-economic and political realities will dictate which way that will be.  

 

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5 hours ago, ocnblu said:

LOL in regards to what "auto" my mother drives... what was that lame excuse about a white dash being the "reason" the statue's wife doesn't have a Chevy Bolt?  Gotta keep 'em happy, RIGHT?  Despite EV being the second coming of Christ?  And you owning ZERO fuel efficient "auto's" (gotta have that inappropriate apostrophe) ?  Pot meet kettle.

Just to be clear, if it were an interesting profile photo, I would have remained silent until further ammunition was passed my way.  As it is, it was pounce-worthy right out of the gate.  An over-inflated Bolt on roller skates.  Blah.

I like how surreal tried to dig himself out of his design derivation hole comment with a more closely aimed edit fired at me.  But it was captured for posteriors posterity.

 

I love how you COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT in my statement about design and tried to confuse and conflate the issue. I didn’t have to dig myself out at all. I just had to dumb it down for you since you weren’t getting the hint. The issue, from the start, has been your automatic disdain for anything EV, your constant bitching when it even dared mentioned on any other thread (random thoughts anyone?) and then coming to threads like this one and trolling, like you always do. Just to be clear, you are the pot in a room full of kettles.

 

”America First!!”*

*”Except EV companies and companies that piss off Das Feuer. This comment (like some off my rides), was made in Mexico.”

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Back on topic, it does seem the mainstream makers are getting to the point of normalizing EV design rather than making them weird to be different and stand out.  It will be interesting to see how the production Chevy EVs look.

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Just now, Robert Hall said:

Back on topic, it does seem the mainstream makers are getting to the point of normalizing EV design rather than making them weird to be different and stand out.  It will be interesting to see how the production Chevy EVs look.

It is definitely a step in the right direction, where the Bolt is concerned.

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@Robert Hall @surreal1272 @oldshurst442 @riviera74 @ccap41 @balthazar @ocnblu

Have to say that VW ID.4 production EV that leaked out in China looks good. Close to the concept. Not a bad looking EV CUV.

 

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Just like any other CUV... so does that mean from a design standpoint it's not at all aspirational?

 🤔  lower front fascia looks very cheap / one-piece molded. And I LOL'd at the faux exhaust outlets :

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I have always thought an EV should be akin to an engine option, and not look significantly different from the existing product. We'd all (consumers & OEMs) would have a controlled analysis of just how desirable EVs are if as much else were equal as possible. Not sure why it was ever a thing to have a wildly different design just because of the powertrain.

 

Bolt looks absolutely fine in it's segment, IMO.

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      “Led by LYRIQ, Cadillac will redefine American luxury over the next decade with a new portfolio of transformative EVs,” said Steve Carlisle, executive vice president and president, GM North America. “We will deliver experiences that engage the senses, anticipate desires and enable our customers to go on extraordinary journeys.”
      The LYRIQ is based on GM’s next-generation, modular electric vehicle platform and driven by the Ultium propulsion system, allowing Cadillac to deliver customers a variety of range and performance options. With range being one of the biggest factors when it comes to selecting an EV, we’re designing LYRIQ to offer beyond 300 miles of range on a full charge, based on internal testing1. Performance and technology highlights include:
      Charging options that fit a variety of preferences for home, the workplace and on the road — including DC fast charging rates over 150 kilowatts and Level 2 charging rates up to 19 kW2. Rear-wheel drive and performance all-wheel drive configurations. The latest version of Super Cruise3, the industry’s first truly hands-free driver assistance feature, available on more than 200,000 miles of compatible highways and recently enhanced to include automated lane change. New technologies such as dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display and remote self-parking. The brand’s most seamless and adaptive technology interaction with the driver and passengers, including the latest Cadillac user experience, which is showcased in a 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED screen the spans the entire viewing area of the driver. “LYRIQ was conceived to make every journey exhilarating and leverages more than a century of innovation to drive the brand into a new era, while rewarding passengers with a more personal, connected and immersive experience,” said Jamie Brewer, Cadillac LYRIQ chief engineer. “To do this we developed an architecture specifically for EVs.  It is not only an exceptional EV, but first and foremost a Cadillac.”
      LIBERATING PERFORMANCE
      Some luxury EVs today feature adapted traditional internal combustion engine architecture, that is not the case with LYRIQ. Cadillac’s all-new, modular EV platform on which the LYRIQ is based is the foundation for its liberating performance. With a dedicated EV architecture, its design eliminates significant physical constraints associated with adapting electric propulsion within a conventional vehicle architecture, for an optimized design that supports greater driving range, an engaging driving experience and a new interpretation of passenger space.
      Within the LYRIQ, the Ultium battery system is a structural element of the architecture, integrated in ways that contribute to ride and handling, as well as safety. In fact, the lower center of gravity and near 50/50 weight distribution enabled by the placement of the battery pack results in a vehicle that’s sporty, responsive and allows for spirited driving.
      Additionally, the LYRIQ is driven primarily by the rear wheels, with a performance all-wheel drive option available. The placement of the drive motor at the rear of the vehicle contributes an even greater feeling of balance and agility — attributes that affirm Cadillac’s longstanding commitment to satisfying performance. It also enables the system to channel more torque to the pavement without wheelspin for exhilarating acceleration and greater cornering capability. Vehicles equipped with performance all-wheel drive go a step further, with a second drive unit placed at the front of the vehicle, which allows for a significant amount of tuning flexibility, enhancing vehicle dynamics and performance for drivers.
      ALL-NEW ULTIUM BATTERY SYSTEM
      The Cadillac LYRIQ is powered by GM’s new Ultium battery system, which offers approximately 100 kilowatt-hours of energy to deliver stirring performance.
      Ultium’s state-of-the-art NCMA (nickel-cobalt-manganese-aluminum) chemistry uses aluminum in the cathode to help reduce the need for rare-earth materials such as cobalt. In fact, GM engineers reduced the cobalt content by more than 70 percent, compared to current GM batteries.
      The advanced battery chemistry is packed in large, flat pouch cells that enable smart module construction to reduce complexity and simplify cooling needs. Additionally, the battery electronics are incorporated directly into the modules, eliminating nearly 90 percent of the battery pack wiring, compared to GM’s current electric vehicles. 
      When it comes to charging, LYRIQ offers quick and convenient charging options whether at home or on the go. With DC fast charging, the LYRIQ can charge at rates over 150 kW. 
      ARTFULLY INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY
      Envisioned to make interaction with its technologies more intuitive and rewarding, the LYRIQ’s partnership with the driver and passengers is simultaneously energizing and artful.
      Upon approach, the LYRIQ recognizes the driver and initiates a “greeting” with a choreographed lighting sequence, while also preparing the cabin for the journey, including seat, mirror and climate system adjustments. Once inside, the LYRIQ offers Cadillac’s highest level of driver information, infotainment and connectivity integration, for a more seamless and rewarding experience.
      A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED display artfully integrates a single, large screen that spans the viewing area for the driver and incorporates driver information details, infotainment controls and camera views. This new display has the highest pixel density available in the automotive industry today and can display over one billion colors, 64 times more than any other vehicle in the automotive industry, providing a stunning in-vehicle experience unlike anything seen before from Cadillac.
      Additional technology and interactive highlights include:
      Battery and charging monitoring conveyed by easy, at-a-glance graphics. The system identifies the vehicle’s energy needs at home and on the go, according to owner preferences, while also monitoring and forecasting energy consumption and providing charging suggestions. New dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display employs two planes: a near plane indicating speed, direction and more, and a far plane displaying transparent navigation signals and other important alerts. The latest version of Super Cruise, the hands-free driver assistance feature, including automated lane change.3 Supervised remote parking that uses ultrasonic sensors to help the LYRIQ park itself in parallel or perpendicular parking spaces — whether the driver is inside or outside of the vehicle.4 SENSE OF SOUND
      LYRIQ’s technology also addresses sound in two important ways: Blocking unwanted sounds and making the most of the sounds passengers want to hear.
      For the first time, Cadillac will introduce a new road noise cancellation technology, which takes active noise cancellation to the next level by introducing more microphones and accelerometers, which improve noise cancellation abilities. With this new system, Cadillac’s performance and audio engineers can target the frequency range of tire cavity noise, reducing the noise level in the vehicle and allowing for a quieter in-cabin experience.
      The Cadillac LYRIQ builds on the brand’s exclusive partnership with AKG. “With LYRIQ we wanted to deliver a sound experience that would transport the driver from a vehicle into a recording studio,” said Hussein Khalil, Cadillac lead audio design release engineer. “With the AKG sound system, we are able to deliver this experience along with the quality and reliability luxury customers expect.”
      At launch, LYRIQ will offer a 19-speaker AKG Studio audio system that delivers exceptionally crisp and precise sound reproduction, enabling drivers and passengers to enjoy their favorite music.
      NEW FACE OF CADILLAC
      Cadillac’s first electric SUV makes a bold design statement that introduces a new face, proportion and presence for the brand’s new generation of EVs. It’s a forward-looking vision unconstrained by the needs of a traditional internal combustion engine and driveline.
      “The LYRIQ represents the next iteration of the iconic brand’s styling, enabled by electrification, as only Cadillac can express,” said Andrew Smith, executive director, Global Cadillac Design. “Inside and out, LYRIQ is a thoughtful integration of design and technology and is intended to make every drive an occasion.”
      Defined by taut lines and clean surfaces, LYRIQ is assertive and modern, characterized with a low, fast roofline and wide stance that emphasize agility and convey confidence. Additional details such as a flow-through roof spoiler express the careful attention paid to aerodynamics to optimize efficiency on the highway.
      A distinctive “black crystal” grille in the front is one of the LYRIQ’s most unique and expressive design elements. It is also a dynamic feature, as it is part of a dramatic lighting choreography that — along with bold vertical, slim LED signature lighting — greets the owner upon approach. At the rear, a split taillamp design incorporates slim LEDs that are also integrated into the lighting choreography.
      Inside, the LYRIQ’s new electric vehicle architecture opens up possibilities in vehicle spaciousness and design; and Cadillac designers used this as an opportunity to rethink how to use the space and where to locate various interior elements.
      The result is a more airy, minimalistic design that does more to involve the driver and passengers in the driving experience while offering exceptional functionality when it comes to storage solutions. It is also brimming with subtle yet obsessive details such as backlit speaker grilles, curved screens with hidden storage and, like the exterior, orchestrated lighting features.
    • By David
      Cadillac division sent out this email saying that the Cadillac Lyriq reveal will be August 6th 2020 @ 7PM. 
      Now the interesting part is what time zone? EST, MST, PST,.......... 🤔

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