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There is a guy over at GMAuthority who says Cadillac just lost him as a customer because they are going to stop making a big Cadillac. He owns a 2010.. I said 2010.. a 9 year old Cadillac and he says this.. THIS IS HOW IDIOTIC PEOPLE ARE. I responded with: My name over there is MiatsoCi No offense.. but GM/Cadillac built 2 large sedans for U.. for the last 3(2016-2019 CT6) and 6(2013-2019 XTS) years. Both have won gobs of praise. One is literally a superior version of your DTS, while one is a direct competitor to the S550 (3.0LPlatinum CT6) and U still haven’t bought.. maybe.. they just tired of waiting. BTW.. there are still new XTSs and CT6s on the showroom floor til the end of 2019… a year that hasn’t even happened yet. My name is Cmicasa the GreatXvX.. and I approve this message LOL

There's no way one can rightfully claim GM was 'not passionate' about an air-cooled, rear-engined full line of small cars AND trucks that introduced (along with the Olds Jetfire) now-ubitquitous turbochargers (and was one of the very early bucket seat cars too) to the market, and kept being marketed another 3 years past 1 book that was published in '65 and only succumbed to a changing market (musclecars). The 3rd generation had a ton of development work going before the project was shelved, so they didn't give up in '65, either. The Corvair may be the most passionate, dedicated small car project in history.

On a better note...

I think he was kidding, not meaning anything nasty. At least that was my take. Wish you were a smaller guy, would ahve you come out and ride with us when we autocross. I no longer race, but Brian, the guy I share my workshop with, my son Joel, and my daughters boyfriend Jeff all race. Jeff Races a 350Z, Joel races a Nissan 240, and Brian races an Acura Integra. Daughter will be running a Subie Impreza next year. Would like to get back in myself, but I have too many other irons in the fire, and will have for some time.

Speaking of appliances, I really like my new GE washer and dryer. Was an early Xmas present a couple weeks ago.

Corvair was awesome.. Especially the Spyder. Either way.. The Cobalt SS is still a car to run.. And my daughter's Cruze has been awesome and looks great. While I am cool with the current looks of the Cruze.. Her Cruze is much "sexier" and GM could have continued with the look for another 5. Hell the Verano's turbo power train would have fixed a lot of perception problems in it not having an SS model.

I think I would prefer this grocery getter

Agree. I actually see this as a good thing in many ways. Stop building cars you are not passionate about. GM has not been passionate about small cars in its 60 plus year history of building them. Saturn never made a dime for them. Corvair was a public relations disaster. Cavalier seems to have been un-sexy enough to induce involuntary celibacy into every owner who bought one, save one member here who owns one and has a son. Cobalt lacked the styling and finesse of its competition. The current Cruze falls light years behind the Mazda 3, Civic, Golf, Imprezza, and Hundai offering. Off topic again...I really like you...please...please...please tell me you are not a Dallas fan. Please.

The reduction in horsepower in favor of the twin-turbo setup still won't be enough for @smk4565... he'll find something wrong with the headliner or the insides of the glovebox.

Dozens of these efforts thru the last 50 years ~

In defense of the Corolla, they last forever. I know some folks who have gotten more than their money's worth. Now, a timing chain has replaced a timing belt. It's a boring car, indeed. However, I'd rather have a Corolla given to me as a mid-size when renting rather than getting a Camry as a full-size when renting. Of the Japanese full-sizes (in today's terms), the Camry has the vaguest road manners. The instrument panel on them is also too fussy for short-term "ownership." I'd much rather have a Chevy Cruze or a Ford Focus than a Corolla. The Cruze has kept getting better and better from its Cavalier and Cobalt heritage. I am very saddened by changing consumer preferences in automotive purchases. I like my coupes and sedans.

I am going to do a GE dishwasher as a present to myself also.

I think I just found another car I would love to own....!

Exactly....Although it would be an awesome powertrain Option. Kind of like the l79 66 Nova that was supposedly faster than some of the Vettes they offered that year... No sane person could look at the new Regal and say that Buicks are just for Old people. No sane person.

Because they have the Camaro and Corvette combo.. not to mention performance on the top end and middle with the Regal GS and AT2 and CTS. Honda/Acura doesn't have that.. even with the NSX in limited supply Toyota doesn't have that.. even with the RC and SC. Nissan is the only one that comes close with their combination of the 370z and GTR.. and come on.. a 370Z can't eff with a Camaro all thru out the ranges.. and a GTR barely runs with a GS let alone a Z06 and ZR1

Again, passion...why did they not offer this powertrain option? And the Corvair Yenko Stinger outran Shelby Mustangs....take THAT Ford...and this coming from a guy whose previous 66 Mustang Fastback was his favorite ever car. I would rock a rusty Vega without heat through a dozen Ohio winters before I would ever cheer for Dallas...

I test drove current and previous Cruze. It is a good car but there was nothing "awesome" about it. It wasn't the worst in the segment and it was by far not the best in the segment. I drove a number of other cars in the segment as well so I have a decent enough idea. Just my personal opinion of course that seems most publications agree with it, Also, only you can call it "sexy"

@A Horse With No Name So guys these things always come in 3's. Ford, Football and ?????????? Please we gotta know what your third disagreement is!

I remember thinking how refined my driving instructor's Mazda 323 felt compared to my dad's Ciera in the late 80's.

Me? I'm loyal to one..

The fact that you guys talk about last "good" GM small cars from 60s and 70s says a lot. At least Ford had Focus, Fiesta, Mondeo in Europe.

Assuming that was so, explain the 1971 Chevy Vega.

'Grocery Getter' ~

They make a Navigator for people like you... and an MKC for people like @ocnblu

The common thought today is that the sedan market in the U.S. is dying. If that's the case, the 2020 Toyota Corolla hasn't given any reasons that it should stick around. While styling could be considered bolder over the prior model, it is still bland in person. Front and rear facias nearly mirror each other in a Studebaker-like "is it coming or going?" way. The styling of the interior hasn't changed in any significant way though the materials are somewhat improved. Mediocre engine choices, unlike the 2020 Kia Soul, leave little to be excited over. The addition of a hybrid option is interesting, but only for people who think the Prius is too fugly to drive, otherwise, they would just buy the real thing. The Corolla is the best selling car nameplate in history, but this latest version leaves little reason for that record to continue. In a tough small sedan market, it is going to take more than just more of the same to move the needle. Dull, conventional, boring..... that's my opinion of the 2020 Corolla View full article

They could have... the Cruze is the Basic Cruze. There is one engine choice, there is one transmission choice, you get power windows, locks, AC and Bluetooth. There is no options other than color. And, screw the 1.4L turbo four. You get a 2.5L Atkinson Four with a single cam. Size doesn't really cost money; steel is cheap. 3,000 lbs of steel costs $1200 (give or take). If you want a more luxurious compact with a posh interior, lots of equipment and lots of tech, get the Buick D2xx.

I do like the visual packaging on it...it does not need to be a sports car...just a performance vehicle. So let them loose him as a customer. Trying to be everything to everybody all of the time hasn't helped GM. They do not need a car for every buyer...just cars for people willing to pay a reasonable premium for. Economically it makes no sense to be bottom feeders in any market. But especially cars. I for one am curious what Cadillac has in store for us.

and I love the sport back.. Hence.. DEATH!!! I maintain that when the Verano was selling it was actually more profitable.. Even worse is that the Cruze offers everything the Malibu and even Impala have.. 'cept its smaller and cheaper. Why??? Why can Toyota get away with offering a Corolla which is fundamentally the same car as it was 20 years ago??? Because it doesn't market it as anything other than BASIC. If GM had of marketed the Cruze as a basic car and not some mini Impala I think that they could have gotten away with lessening content, thus improving profits. Shoot.. I'd go so far as to say that U only have the newest workers assembling Cruzes just because U pay them less due to the UAW contract.

From the little I've read on it, it seems like a more powerful Edge Sport.. It isn't exactly "sporty" or "ST" worthy. I also don't think a buyer of an Edge ST really wants a super tight suspension setup. If they did, they probably aren't buying an SUV..or a sporty one at that. I think something like that would be perfect for me. "Hello 45k? Where are you?"

I think every enthusiast is surprised there hasn't been a V-Sport or true V version of the Escalade already... GM has had plenty of different engines to drop in there then they just need to work on a break and suspension package. It seems like a obvious big money maker.

Lmfao if they come out and say.. "JDN came up with that naming scheme, for the trucks it was cool.. But the the CTS, ATS are keeping their names.. Oh.. The CT6 is only being sold in China, but we'll be selling an identical car here as the new XTS" ?

Yes, like the Prius. Just practical, functional, reliable transportation for the 98% of the driving population..

I have a real soft spot for this era of GM products.

That perplexed me also...maybe he was only 5' 7" then and had a growth spurt after? Or replaced the driver's seat with a thin foam pad flat on the floor? Or had a sunroof and drove with his head through it?

Cruze was/is an awesome car.. at one time led the market in sales... led the market in fuel economy.. led the market in content.. GM as always when it comes to low profit vehicles... chose not to advertise it. U can bet one thing.. if GM is advertising it.. it is either BRAND NEW.. or HIGH PROFIT. Now.. I like how suddenly the idea that MAZDA is so great just because they are keeping the 3.. NEWSFLASH!!! MAZDA is about a 1/5 the size of GMNA.. Also.. the market line-up looks better.. again.. I just wish that the CRUZE name would have have simply moved to the Sonic. As it stands Chevy will have: Spark, Sonic, Trax, Bolt, Malibu, Equinox, Blazer, Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban, and Trucks. There is also another suv coming from what I hear Cadillac by 2020: CT3, CT5, XT4, XT5, XT6, Escalade.. and if they are still doing the "new product every 6 months and U still count the CT3 and 5.. there are at least two-three more vehicles being intro'ed by '20, one of which is obviously the XT6 That being said.. some else has pointed out that Cadillac will have no performance vehicles.. when at the worst case they will have EXACTLY the amount of performance vehicles they have RIGHT NOW.. as the CT6-V is not out for another 6 months again.. this is a sexy lil whip.. and she actually got rid of her Equinox to get it. I actually contemplated finding a wrecked Verano turbo and snatching the engine to supe this lil thing up.. It gets around with just 138HP, and I swear more if U use Premium gas.. but with 250 it would be crazy fun

I think the whole thing looks great EXCEPT the front end. My god does that thing need to be changed.

I truly believe auto's like the Cruze never had a chance with the poor marketing that GM has done for auto's. They seem to as is now clear with Cadillac advertise the hell out of a single auto. XT4 and then I doubt in a year we will hear anything about it. Mercedes-Benz and Kia coping them seems to understand the need to market the family of auto's and point out the performance, family hauler, date night, etc. cars in the family and start and end with an overview of the whole family of choices. Why does GM not get this, XT4 can be the highlight, but why not show off the full family of CUV/SUV and give them all some lime light.

Do not forget their best one yet, the 1991 Escort GT, that was the best Ford built as it was Built by Mazda for Ford. Insurance industry went to task over the GT Pocket Rocket. That was a solid reliable long last car. Ford has gone down hill ever since they stopped that car and decided to build their crappy replacement.

Or the '62 Chevy II Nova. It was rushed to market since the Corvair wasn't cutting it, is what I've read. The Corvair was an expensive failure for GM.

Love that burgundy color. Makes it much nicer looking than in silver. Watching this video, I am impressed with what they built for a FWD/AWD CUV. Impressed with the adult capable 3rd row. Nice job.

Plenty of news and science to go with this, but while a portion of wells are shallow, there are many that are much deeper and an example is Oklahoma. No earthquakes before deep fracking and now enough study's have been done that the research does verify that fracking is causing the hundreds of earthquakes that Oklahoma is now getting. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-27/oklahoma-toughens-oil-fracking-rules-as-shale-earthquakes-climb In regards to the Oil industry, yes they get trillions in tax breaks but they also do take subsidies. Oil industry companies here in the US took $88 billion in tax payers money and so far I have not seen any oil company such as Exxon Mobil who made who made $52 billion profit on $244 billion in sales for 2017 turn down the billions given to them by the gov. I realize that some companies get more than others and the biggest ones get the least, but plenty of countries subsidize oil / gas including the US. So in fairness we either subsidize both electric and gas auto's or we do none. I am fine with none. Use the money to shore up SS. I honestly do not think GM will shrink long term in regards to their head count. They have thousands of openings in self driving to all things EV. I see no reason for those in the plants being mothballed from getting jobs at other plants or taking advantage of their retraining to get new skills and still end up working for GM or any other auto company.

Except we don't actually subsidize Oil Producers. Allowing them to depreciate their assets sooner, deduct exploration expenses or otherwise pay less taxes is not really a subsidy is it? Part of the reason is that the USA is matching the lower tax burden of foreign oil producers so as to encourage domestic production for the sake of energy independence and reduced trade deficits. You actually have to turn a profit to pay less taxes. Put simply, there is a huge difference between me giving you a check for $100,000 and giving you the ability to pay $100,000 less taxes. In order for you to take that $100,000 in tax deductions you must actually have been earning enough money to pay more than $100,000 in taxes. It is actually your money that you earned, I am simply allowing you to keep more of it. If you operate a hotdog stand and make $50 a day and paying $15 in taxes. I can give you a $1million tax break and you are not going to benefit by more than $15. More importantly, you need to actually make money with your hotdog stand and sell hot dogs that people actually want to eat. If you are losing $20 a day, no amount of tax credit or break do you any good!

@dwightlooi Welcome back again, So then we should cut off all of the $88 billion in subsidies the oil companies get here in the US and let natural market dynamics take their place and see the gas prices rise then. https://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/09/report-shows-oil-industry-benefits-5-3-trillion-subsidies-annually.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/#112e41f53279 https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html Depending on how you want to view it, we subsidies OIL companies still, so why not electric auto's? Benefit here is as @Drew Dowdell has pointed out in regards to Uber and Lyft. We will not see ICE auto's go away, but there is no reason to NOT move to cleaner, quieter auto's especially for inner city use over the worst polluters, Diesel and old gas auto's.

OK>.. finally I can agree to some degree.. THERE NEVER WAS A JUSTIFICATION for Spark, a Sonic, a Cruze, AND VOLT, a Malibu and an Impala.. AND SS. Some one should have proposed 7 years ago that the drawing board should show a Sonic (replacement for the sub-compact Aveo) should be the book end of the car spectrum.. no Spark.. with the TRAX as a Sonic CUV. The CRUZE should have been a Cruze and a Cruze PHEV. The Malibu was fine.. and the Impala and SS should have been a singular car for all intents a Pontiac G8 CLONE (all available HP levels of the Pontiac) on Alpha-L starting in 2014 with the debut of the CTS or on Ep2Premium (XTS-LaX) with available AWD like those two models.. while for the SS model have the LGX detuned for the sake of argument to 380HP. Size cost money due to perception and maximizing profits. In truth.. the Impala, LaX, and XTS are profitable.. but not as profitable without the XTS.

None of this has anything to do with people buying Traverses instead of Impalas. The market is driving these cuts. People don't want to drive anymore because it is such a chore. They would rather Uber or Lyft and play on their smartphone while someone else drives.

Yes, going from building prototypes or one-offs to consistent, quality volume production is no small feat, as Tesla has found out this year. I wish them good luck. It's a great looking product, and sounds sound technically.

It looks good, modern and classic, but time will tell if they can manufacture this successfully and profitably as an independent company.