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^ HELLYEAH. I was u-tubin around last night looking for 'old sleeper drag car'- this made my day. Schwing! - - - - - '74 Bugatti revival attempt :

Wait, wait, wait. “I haven’t had to plug it in yet at 37k miles.” What? So energy and resource usage is an indicator of “poor quality” now? Welllll then... In 37,000 miles, you have had at least 7 oil changes and used 38.5 quarts of oil (provided 5,000 mile intervals and the capacity of the engine’s lubrication system, which is 5.5 quarts). You’ve also burned through roughly 99 full tanks of gas (provided an average mpg of 27.5 and the size of the tank, which holds 13.5 gallons). So much petroleum use! Not to mention you’ve spent roughly $3,000 on fuel costs (at a cost of about $30 per fill-up, taking into consideration the size of the tank and the national average cost of fuel, which is $2.28 a gallon right now) and about $350 on oil changes alone (provided a cost of $49.95 per change, which is what Mopar service departments have charged me personally in the past). A Tesla costs a little over $10 to charge up completely, if you were wondering. The extended range models have a range of 310 miles. I’ll be fair and say that is a short distance less than your little four-wheel drive Fiat. But, even if the Tesla owner has to charge up about 119 times to your 99 fill-ups in a 37,000 mile period, he’s still spending less than half on electricity than the $3,000 you spend on fuel. Oh, and he’s never spent one red cent on oil because Teslas lack that need. NOW, with that all said, many a Tesla buyer/owner has spent upwards of $100,000 and never encountered a single issue you’ve mentioned. Nice to hear you’re working with your limited budget, though! That’s a good thing, really, considering how much money you’re spending on petroleum and petroleum-based products.

https://www.parkschevy.com/VehicleDetails/used-2014-Chevrolet-Camaro-2dr_Cpe_SS_w%2F2SS-Kernersville-NC/3353921613 Ugly and awkward.... Dfelt sized SUV in Washington snow. Ocnblu when he finally gets an electric....

I bet I could do 5lbs at 3 sets of 15 reps. Hah-hah..no, normal stuff for daily life... home stuff, dog food, etc.

Nah, this would be more apropos for Ocn--electric Amish buggy.

Poor SS covered under a foot plus of heavy snow. Yup gonna have a long day of shoveling. Yes, sea level, usually more rain than snow. Started shoveling. My poor suburban. Heavy wet snow!

I saw a number of early Fords (Model T and pre-Model T) at the Crawford museum Saturday, had seen some years ago at the Henry Ford, but one thing I always notice about brass era cars is how tall they were and how high they sit. Partially due to the poor roads of the era and tall tires/wheels, no doubt. I'll post some pics when I have a chance. The early pre-model T Ford touring car (can't recall the name) was HUGE.

Me: BLU: DFELT: President Trump: A Horse With No Name: Me: Me again:

You mean like the rough-cut glass roof on a Model 3? Well I haven't had to plug it in yet at 37k miles. My panel gaps are fine. The doors open (and close) every time I try. All the trim is on tight. My touch screen works. Etc. etc., and all of this for only $26k. *you're and nope

Cadillac needs to spend their efforts on the interior, both in materials and technology such as a voice command assistant and autonomous tech. All wheel drive should fix the traction and handling issue, although they might want to look into a mild hybrid system or some sort of electrification for the 2020s.

You know you WANT it.

I got something better for you to check out without the FB BS... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVg9FLv_0-Y Just click on that link and be amazed, aroused and entertained! ditto for me BLU. I dont even have a Facebook acccount.

I was 30. I never once washed my own clothes...well, I went to Greece for vacation couple of times for a couple of months or so without my parents, so there is that. But on a whole, from mommy to straight to wife, I have never washed my own clothes!!! Damn proud of that!

Depending on the car, but Im one of these guys that likes sporty exterior enhancememts...especially on my FWD dreams..(I miss them dearly actually) Therefore, for me, a little exterior sporty enhancememt is welcomed. I see nothing wrong with it. And If the boyracer looks also comes with the goods, even better!!! (mind you, the Turbo GP was not too shabby in the performance department back in the day...not an AMG Hammer, but respectable..) AMG Hammer also got the boyracer styling too. Brings a smile to my face! ? Back to the XT5 Its just a subtle appearance package that is tastefully done. What seems to be the problem? Maybe wanting a V Series version? OK...fair enough. But how would you like that appearance though? Boyracer like the ATS-V and CTS-V or understated? Because Id understand a lot more if the complaining was for the boyracer looks of Cadillacs V Series cars...

Well, this is at least a real factory appearance package, not DIY silliness...

I love 'em, I've ridden in them back in the day, like the interior..typical mid 80s G body inside. The cars, music, movies and TV of the 80s were a big part of my youth, still find it a fascinating era. I really want to go to one of the RADwood events that celebrate 80s and 90s cars.

Thanks my wussy of a friend to the north, Enjoy your 40 CM fluff!

You're f@#k& fluffy! You sissy! Wet snow is a bitch to shovel! Icey snow too. Light and fluffy can be fun. Heavy snow is best for snowball fights. Anyway...you are right, shoveling that white mess is no fun at all. Its started to snow here. On our way to 40 cm. yay!

Yes, I know. Different can of worms. Being a software guy, I know how complex and unreliable software systems can be, have no interest in the self driving stuff anytime soon...

Is there any ice or snow on the ground? Because that too will "confuse" any autopilot system. (Not just Tesla's system) The NTSB should rethink on how it views autonomous driving technology as a whole going forward. Tesla or otherwise. And Tesla, with yet another accident, even if driver error, should rethink its policies and strategies (for human life) concerning this shyte! It does not matter if the consumer does not understand the tech, or even if we humans abuse the tech, or because the tech is still at its infancy. Its clear that the tech is flawed. The way we use it, the way it is to be used and consumed, the way its currently set-up...it aint working... Its up to the corporate world to make a moral decision on it NOT based on money and how to entice people to buy their vehicles and its up to the NTSB, as a government agency, to protect the citizens that they are supposed to protect as a good and honest government agency should do...

Consumers really don't seem to understand the 'autopilot' feature...

I've read plenty of good things about Teslas, and want to see them succeed as an American independent tech company. They just don't appeal to me. But a straight 6 BMW w/ a manual or a Gulia or G70 w/ a manual...those would be a way more engaging, interesting drive to me. As would most any current Cadillac sedan. (not that I'm getting out an SUV anytime soon, but a luxury sedan or sport sedan of some sort could be interesting down the road...)

Even Candy is no longer free...

But that is the thing. The Model 3 aint "low" build quality. We manage to over exaggerate that a little, non? All 3 Tesla vehicles get very very high crash ratings... I dont really care for the nuances of the Model S being downgraded by Consumers Reports because of... Despite all the political clout (not governmental but corporate politics surrounding Big Oil and GM and Ford and EV manufactures and batteries and the like) and all the monetary reasons behind all that clout regardless on what fence you are on, the REAL, TRUE facts is that Tesla cars are built to WORLD standards. And Tesla cars seem to be better than satisfactory in build quality in ANY WORLD standard... And Tesla cars seem to have high crash ratings in ANY world wide crash tests... So... No...I will NOT accept opinions that counter to what I just said... What I just said is not only my opinion, but its closer to reality of what is what.

One for "Blu...

So you are saying low build quality can be a feature not a fault... ICE can be cool though...

I think you need to quit your job as an estimator and become a street preacher...you have the passion and conviction.

Don't think this will make it past tech...

I too could respect that. And I could see why some people in some areas of the world could see it as a novelty car, but seeing as my next door neighbor having one and he being one of those folk that daily drives it for about 40 miles (about 60-65 kilometers)to get to work and he enjoys it, lives with it, does not have ANY issues with it, despite "cold weather" range loss and yuuuuge body gaps and #facts of faulty electronics despite real industry insiders saying that Tesla electronics are the best there is NOW on the market, despite driving a 1st generation Chevrolet Volt and NEVER having the engine turn on to power up the battery despite that 40 mile drive, and having his employer use the company's charging stations, (then was free, now maybe he has to pay a fee, but now he has a 310 mile range Model 3...) there are some in this world that do not see the Model 3 as a novelty car, but as a honest to goodness alternative to Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, BMW, etc and are quite happy and ecstatic to own it and daily drive it. And despite this "new found scandal" and problem of range loss, when 1st generation Priuses and Volts and Nissan Leafs were roaming around with ONLY with a handful of range, somehow this range loss due to cold weather was NOT a factor but now that Bolts and Model Ss, and Model Ys and Model 3s all have 200-400 mile ranges, NOW it has become a problem. I guess, because having only a handful of electric miles was not a threat to ICE vehicles...for real. But NOW that EVs have REAL mileage, REAL THREATENING mileage, I guess NOW is the time to try to get a scare campaign out to try to limit the popularity of them... Novelty to some. Yes. I agree 100% But to others, like people in Montreal, the Model 3, as a PERSONAL vehicle, not as an UBER taxi service vehicle, but as a personal transportation pod, it aint a novelty. Its THE real deal. And, as enthusiasts on this board, the ONLY thing it lacks, is maybe a muscle car V8 or Ferrari V12 sound? (yet some of us who complain about the sound and lack of sound fury, drive pathetic 4cylinder CUVs? Or like me, pathetic muffled 300 horse V6s...when the Model 3 not only out accelerates me with ease, but also dances around a rink faster than I could ever do with the TL...because the Model 3 is THAT good in handling on rails track performance) We could invent other things about it to dislike, but that wouldnt be genuine now, is it?

Greater Seattle area might get frost and a dusting most winters with the mountains keeping all the snow a mere 45 min to 1hr drive away at 4000 ft. Here this is highly unusual. Usual winter temps for Seattle are mid 30's to low 40's. Nice Mild winter weather.

Poor SS covered under a foot plus of heavy snow. Yup gonna have a long day of shoveling. Still snowing, gonna for most of the day.

Well, this is just an appearance package...a 'sport' package, not a 'V Sport' package.

Getting back on track, the Model 3 is an interesting novelty car, but for the price, there are so many far more appealing cars, IMO. It would not be on my radar.

Throwing stones from your glass Fiat, I see...

'87 GNX with 8 original miles ~ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-buick-gnx-2/

Since when does a 'sport package' include 'side assist steps' ??????? Cadillac Introduces Limited-Edition XT5 Sport Package Where's the hopped up motor?

Cleveland gets a variety of snow levels, and it varies depending on where you are...there are Lake Effect snow belts east of the city where the wind off Lake Erie really piles up the snowfall...where I'm at in suburbs due south of the city I don't get that much, not bad this winter except a couple weeks ago when we got about a foot. I bought a snow blower at the end of January, only used it a couple times so far. With my Jeep I really haven't needed to shovel the driveway, but I usually shovel a path to the street for the mailman and Amazon delivery guys, and the sidewalk in front of my house.

First time public schools closed since 2011 here today, not that much, maybe 20cm but the ice pellets and wind are making it messy. I'm kind of surprised, we had 30cm in a day last week, no closure. I don't mind shovelling, quiet and decent exercise until we start running out of places to put it.

l use cruise control like it's my job.

My hometown : https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02/11/telsa-self-driving-car-crashed-nj/

Screen cap from link above...

But ‘assist steps’. C’mon.

Yeah, I don't get the CF trim craze. I understand it is a strong yet light material, very useful in race cars for structure. But I find the appearance revolting, would never want it exposed in an interior or exterior of a vehicle I owned. Alas, the tablet glued on the dash style of NAV system seems to be where the industry is going to it seems. I prefer the integrated approach also.

Spelling Nazi! I can respect that. If I was a car fan and could fit in it, which I cannot, it would be on my list of cars. I am far more excited to see the Model Y CUV which I admit, I will probably not fit in but should also sell Gang Busta for Tesla.

One reason I wouldn't mind owning a Jeep.

So I guess your not a fan of modern AC/DC technology!

Tesla has an ecosystem approach. That’s something all the others lagged behind. Honestly, if Tesla can just get to their damn $40,000 car...not even $35,000 they’ll have made it. I think they can reasonably get to 500k cars by 2021. Holy smokes.... were I to say this, maybe 2 years ago....pls I would have loved to be lynched by a mob, even I would have believed I deserved it by saying that!