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I love the idea of this new LT1 model. I've been saying forever they need to do this. This car with a manual would be an awesome fun daily.

There was little in the way of 'convention' in the early years. Some vehicles with large flywheels did have portions of the power train south of the framerails, but others just had their frames 'riding high' with all the buggy wheels. Here's Henry Ford's 1896 Quadricycle- all is north of the rails here. I don't think the term 'skateboard' really applies; it's really just 'body on frame'.

NOW how does everyone feel?

I'm estimating, but 90% the exact same car. - - - - - I'm all in for coping/ handling it/ gittin' 'er dun… but that's not the way of the world anymore. We have remote-controlled BLINDS, for shit's sake.

Here I am and Im watching playoff hockey. I came to a realization. In sports, fans like to compare how today's sports greats measure up to past sports greats and vice versa. But we cant do that accurately. Different eras. Past sports greats smoked, drank, ate like pigs.Had other jobs. Did not train, exercise etc... Today's sports stars, well, they do the opposite of that. Plus, they use technology that records and captures their motions and they play it back micro second to micro second and analyze their movements with a professional sports trainer and improve on their imperfections. Anyway...back to cars. Same logic though. Different times had different obstacles to overcome with different advances in technology. Its not fair for the Model T to be scrutinized by me the way I did. But...its not fair for the EV to be scrutinized the way some do regarding charging times... Technology is simply not there for that...yet. But...that is just 1 aspect of charging an EV. For the umpteenth time. We forget that even with a 275 mile range in winter, so the range is even cut by 60-65%, an average Joe commuting with his EV, will never have to stop at a charging station just daily driving his EV back and forth to work if he has a home charging unit... Modern EVs, Telsa EVs, SURPASS performance levels the way that guy made his argument, hands down with the daily driving aspect as a Tesla EV, or Bolt, has enough range to never have to charge on public roads...never has to detour and stop to "fill up". No time wasted...like at all... Some people just harp on charging times needlessly because it shant be a problem... But...just like the early Ford Model T adapters, cranking the engine by hand to start, fiddling around with bottles and funnels, taking out water from the radiator in the night because of freezing cold weather in the winter and adding water back into it in the morning, and then monitoring the water levels constantly, checking the water in the battery... You know, those early car adapters, well, they coped... Same with the EV guys. They cope with the different set of obstacles they have to face... If you are not capable, or willing to cope with the EV obstacles...its simple, dont buy an EV. But for many, especially in other parts of the world not named United States of America, they cope with it quite well...

30s Ford hot rods aren't really in my area of interest, but found this photo quite striking.. I like this Packard..

reg, that is not rust. I am no BMW fan by a long shot... but that is corrosion protection material spilling out of the door drain holes. Fixed that for ya Balthy

Car shopping. Rust already on drain holes at door of a 2016 bmw 3 series

Chrysler could and should have a 300 replacement sedan on the pacifica platform. If they priced it right, it would sell. Not in huge numbers but it would be a white space niche. Chrysler could have a large 3 row crossover, it may take some pacifica sales but they would add more brand sales overall than they would lose having that 'aspen' or whatver in the showroom, and that is a product that is hot and Jeep doesn't have. Again, use the Pacifica platform. Chrysler could have a smaller or midsize crossover for those who don't like Jeeps. A buick Lincoln sort of thing. It would sell also. Another segment Chrysler could invade is a competitor to Subaru outback. Jeep wont make a wagon and that would in effect be a defacto sedan replacement.

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Could easily be switched back to "Jetta Sportwagen" by peeling off the taped-on badges and replacing them.

Happened twice. Plus... But you still dont get it! Stop the motherphoquing childish trolling...

Some of you guys are gonna drive me to drinkin'!

I LOVE Springsteen's work...its your political stab at him I dont appreciate... Like how YOU do when I say I dont trust Trump's administration...is what the reaction was PS: the song is NOT about MAGA... And HE has a right to his political views without YOU dissing him in an automotive forum. In a MAGA Amerca, HE has THAT right to his political views and SING about them...

OK, olds does not like Springsteen's work. How about this?

I am about to say flawed logic to that as well... But before I do say it, I wanna know how many gasoline stations were around in the 1900s, then the 1910s, then the 1920s. (because obviously gasoline powered vehicles, especially affordable ones like the Model T, just exploded unto the scene by the 1920s...) Then, Id like to know how far apart were those gasoline stations. Again, each decade had growth. And that poster just mentions Model T territory, but obviously a 1908 Model T was different enough from a 1927 Model T and more to it than that, the automotive landscape had significantly changed from 1908 to 1927...his argument does not mention what decade of Model T. Because I bet you, especially in the early days, the gasoline stations were farther apart than the EV infrastructure is toady. But at what point in time did the early gasoline stations equal the EV infrastructure we have today in 2019 and at what point in time did it surpass it? Then Id like to know, how big of a gasoline tank the first Model Ts had, and then Id like to know how big of a gasoline tank the last gen Model T had. Then...Id like for us to make a REAL and honest calculation of what a Model T performance is like...according to its respective decade. Because it WAS different in the 1900s, in 1910, in 1920... Also..in the early days of motoring...there werent even real roads. The Model T was a true blue off roader. To which I also wanna know, those early Model T pioneers, or other gasoline powered vehicle owners, how far did they really need to drive? Because we all know, in the beginning of the automotive industry, there were no Clark Griswold, Chicago to Wolly World family truckster vacations...Route 66 came after WW2 I think... We could all summarize and come to a conclusion that fits our biased agendas...that doesnt mean our conclusions or our opinions are correct. https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/what-the-history-of-gas-stations-means-for-electric-cars from that link above: I also wanna know if that poster knew you had to play around to fill up the gas tank that way...did he calculate the time wasted fiddling around with bottles and funnels and mopping any spillages? Did he calculate the time needed for all the little nuances that the early cars required to get going? I bet not... So...the 36MPH for a certain vintage Model T may in fact be lower than that...

In Montreal, GTIs are still a young guy's fast and the furious dream. Many millennial boys and men drive these. There are even some car gals that drive them as well. And yes, I am talking about the current gen. And yes, there are car gals to speak of in Montreal. Kinda cool if you ask me. The new Civic Si also follows this same path. Toyobarus too.

Saw this for sale today for $17K. ‘65 Impala Wagon. Me likey lol.

the current gti occupies the middle of some hellish venn diagram of basicness where its fanbase is split between vape-bros, urban professionals and hot to trot yoga chicks, and now I see gti’s everywhere.

Yeah, when I left there 2 years ago I was commuting on Camelback to Scottsdale every day...mornings weren’t bad, but the afternoon drive home was awful..45-60 min to go 12 miles.

Face it: there is no reason anyone under 35 can afford to buy ANY NEW CAR whatsoever. The median price of a new car is already north of $37K. That is ridiculous! Basically all automakers could stand to build a $12K new car just so that Gen Y and Gen Z will actually buy new cars. Do automakers not realize that a rising median age for a new car buyer means that they are throwing away an entire generation for at least the next decade?! Or do they only care about the next quarter's P&L statements?

Politics is somewhat necessary when discussion of the rules and regulations of vehicles comes into play, or tariffs, or taxation. I leave a long leash for discussion of the subject because I have the somewhat idealist hope that we can all behave like adults in here, though I am repeatedly proven wrong. So yes, we do allow some discussion of politics in so much as it pertains to cars. Some people here push the limited of that by injecting unneeded political commentary into posts that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The Stinger because of the roofline has less rear seat head room than a C-class. I still say the Stinger isn't worth the money. It either needs a better interior, or Mustang level pricing.

As for the topic, this is a stupid decision. As with most of VW's problems, they only have themselves to blame here. The Golf doesn't sell for 2 reasons- there's almost never incentives- they lease like crap; and they have constantly decontented thim and slashed trim models. Point one- A standard Golf lease with no money down or lease specials will run almost $400 a month after taxes. I've seen it too many times. Know what a Civic or Corolla with the same terms will lease for? $275-300. For what is such a cost conscious and frugal market, you can't compete if your car is $100-150 more a month to own. Point two- When they had a full a model spread, and were doing models like the Special Edition in 2016, they had fair amount of demand. But ever since the Mk7 came out, they have taken away equipment/features every year, cancelled trims, and generally made the car look worse, and a worse value. If they sold a Wolfsburg model with a bit more power (not GTI levels), some nicer equipment, and a better appearance, it'd have sold. Or an R Line model like other markets get. They should have made AWD an option. There's plenty they could have done. What's really stupid is that they are doing this at a time when numerous other brands are finding a business case for hatchbacks, and they are so established already. On top of that, they aren't bringing the the I.D. Hatchback here, so there is no replacement, they have no sub-Golf hatchbacks that could capture those buyers, and a compact crossover for the American market is still realistically 2 years away. They can try to spin this however they want with sales trends, skewed data, market monitoring; or like everything else, blame it on Millenials all they want, but in the end, this is a textbook example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. VW can thank themselves, and only themselves for the Golf's performance in our market.

No. The conversation was a cool, informative, civil, factual to a degree, discourse. Nothing childish about it. Debunking illogical or even proving certain aspects of that discussion was the direction. Balthy informed me that 90% of the Model T from 1908 and 1927 remained the same. Then you come along and spew childish remarks...and then I become the bad guy again...derailing the thread and making my remarks borderline personal.... I do NOT enjoy being this way. I do NOT enjoy posting this way and I certainly do NOT enjoy interacting with you guys this way. These kinds of discussions, the way you and I approach it, are high school level intelligence. YOUR arguments are high school level. Please stop!

Happened once. How many power outages have happened?