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short hood / long deck is where it's at. Here's to hoping it, somehow, comes back.

“Grab’em by the pus...never mind” @ccap41-Had surgery a week ago for a torn rotator cuff and while they were doing the ACL, they discovered that I had a bone spur tearing one of my tendons. I’ve had the rotator issue for over twenty years and just managed but the tendon tears were clearly the last straw. In a sling for six weeks, hence why they won’t let me drive, and then some physical therapy for a months after. Sucks being at home this much but I’ve been getting my walking exercise in on the nice days.

Cadillac's pricing has gone up year over year for years. It's eclipsed every other volume brand except MB. It certainly hasn't "failed".

How many times do we have to tell you in the 21st century you do not go around grabbing woman and throwing them over your shoulder like a cave man to take them home. ?

CT4 is a mistake. Should have stopped at CT5.

Per the profile spy shot, I do prefer the CT4's 14 inch wheel size, will be cheaper to replace the tires. Info states CT4 will have a more conventional sedan profile v. the fastback CT5. Maybe we can look forward to a cavernous 12.5 cu ft trunk, despite its smaller size. This would mean Cadillac is serious about fighting the CUV onslaught, by making their sedans uber-practical.

bets on whether the CT4 trunk is bigger than the CT5's.... good CT4 spy shots here https://www.motor1.com/photo/3808660/2020-cadillac-ct4-spy-photo/

Ive had this stance now for the last year or so. And I think Cadillac has got the right engineering, quality, luxury to pull it off as of NOW! That was then...and the ONLY reason why the uber lux crowd aint buying stuff from Cadillac in that price range... well there are at least 2 reasons: 1. There are virtually NO products in this price range that Cadillac offers for the uber lux crowd to buy. The Escalade is the sole vehicle that uber lux folk are buying. 2. There is NO marketing to instill pride in the brand. No information to let people know why they should buy Cadillac. The V Series stuff. There is NO marketing for people to be excited about a V Series Cadillac. The reasons why I say that folk WILL flock to buy uber lux stuff from Cadillac: 1. The concepts Ciel, Cien, El Miraj, Escala all have garnered a fair amount of buzz and noise. But no such product was and is available for an eventual sale down the line. 2. The Blackwing V8 CT6 sold out. And THAT is with the CT6 supposedly not being on the same level, as some say, as a Bimmer or Audi or Mercedes. And the Blackwing V8 CT6 is in the uber luxury price world. Granted, not too many units were available for sale, but its not as if the Blackwing V8 CT6 was advertised...and was outsold as soon as it was made available for sale and if Im not mistaken, the Blackwing V8 CT6 is still not produced to be delivered... That kinda reminds me of a certain product zealousness on par with...Tesla... 3. The CT6 was on the chopping block for awhile. But...there is a strong demand for the CT6, so GM/Cadillac is finally NOT cancelling it... Not too bad for a halo car that is NOT a halo car and supposedly a real halo car is still in the works... 4. Despite all the times we heard Cadillac say that this is the generation to turn things around...and Cadillac does not...and they take 2 steps forward and 1 step back...despite all that...Cadillac HAS raised its prices and Cadillac is actually rolling metal out of their NORTH AMERICAN dealerships.... Yes...not ATS and CTS vehicles...but their SUVs...and the CT6 has got a strong following. 5. Going back to the El Miraj and Ciel and Escala... The ATS and CTS are not selling the way they should, but the ATS and the CTS are NOT even remotely close to what folk actually want from Cadillac...which is Ciel, El Miraj and Escala... The one vehicle that people envision Cadillac to be that Cadillac actually builds...is the Escalade, andTHAT Cadillac has no trouble finding clients... Sometimes...pricing yourself too low and putting yourself too low in the market place does NOT give you the volume you want and crave. Sometimes, the image people want from you, is to be exclusive, and sometimes pricing yourself high and out of range for most folk WILL get you the volume you want and crave...from the people that actually COULD afford your cars... Because...the people that WANT a Cadillac will NOT buy a Cadillac simply because Cadillac is NOT stuffy enough. Those people, want EXCLUSIVITY....and are probably bored with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Audi, Jag...and those people are waiting for Cadillac to actually really become exclusive... And yes...of course with the right engineered and quality worthy of the price, product. And Cadillac HAS that engineering and quality as of NOW...in 2019... What they do NOT have is the marketing...and product...to sell to those folk...

Peter DeLorenzo keeps on saying on his Autoextremist website that Mary Barra and Dan Ammann do NOT believe in hiring a marketing company to do the marketing campaigns on their automotive brands. And if I understood DeLorenzo correctly, its like Barra also limits GM's budget for marketing and its done in-house with Barra and Ammann in charge. Obviously Ammann is no longer a big wig with GM's automotive operations any more, but in charge of the autonomous driving section of GM's operations, but Barrra is still not into marketing her products properly.... But yeah... Cadillac needs some sort of identity marketing to get the excitement for the brand going... To get the message of pride for owning and driving a Cadillac...

Maybe Mary Barra can just fire all the marketers in GM and outsource it to those who know what they are doing. Cadillac would be a great place to start that revolution.

Every attempt? The Escalade and V-Series Caddies beg to differ on that. Crappy marketing has killed Cadillacs uber ambitions more than the actual product.

Remember, there is a steel bumper bar and crash structure behind the plastic fascia.. and if the crash is hard to enough to get to the wheels and suspension, it's probably a total...

It was Horse... it would be nice to see some of manufacturing there. There are many empty auto plants across NE Ohio..there is a huge empty Ford plant near by the Cleveland airport.... a couple former auto plants have been repurposed as Amazon fulfillment centers.

3 inches of air or plastic won't have any effect on repairing an impact.

Well, with the Craze of the CUV/SUV, the sedan needs to offer something to the buying public- Value! It also makes a nice step up into the “family” trucklets that people will feel better paying a few bucks more for. It’s time to dump the benchmark, and just change the game.......

I like your thinking all but for one thing. Im for a proper Caddy. Im for a badass Caddy. Im for a wagon Caddy. Maybe. (its that CUV/SUV thing that is going on in the market place that puts a damper on that idea) But I definitely DO NOT want an affordable Caddy...

Just because they shut down plants saying no one is buying sedans and the majority want crossovers and SUVs and got rid of two cars I would love to own doesn't mean this is a mis... oh... I see what you mean.

^^^ That above I agree to 10000000000%

Similar to V-TEC at its torque peak then. Veddy interestink...

I heard a rumour, that you have a broken heart. Now it seems they're telling me you've changed your wicked ways. Rumour has it. That she is half your age. But Im guessing that's the reason that you stayed. Ive heard, that youve been missing me.... Heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard it from another, you've been messin around... I dont believe it. Not for a minute. I know you know we've had some good times. Now they have their own hiding place. Well, I can promise you tomorrow, but I cant buy back yesterday. Ill be there for you, these 5 words I swear to you. When you breathe, I want to be the air for you. Ill be there for you! This post was brought to you by Bananarama, Adele, REO Speedwagon and Bon Jovi. And if you frown upon it because it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, I tied it all up with the "rumour" connection and at least there is a very weak automotive connection to it...so...there!

Interesting to see both in person someday. Still not impressed the the names at all. At least ATS and CTS were different. I do not like the CT and XT names at all.

Let’s just complain about the CT4’s trunk space now to get it over with.

There was some criticism of lazy take-off from a stop during the loaner trials, but if one needed to launch, you could just raise the RPMs, then release the brake- there they were comparable to period piston cars. Idle speed was about 22,000.

So what will GM say about where the CT5 fits in? They claim it’s a 3 Series/C Class competitor while being larger than both when I think most people knew that there was a CT4 for the smaller size. Just weird for them to market it that way when this was clearly in the works and seems like the more natural competitor to the Germans. And I realize that some pics can play tricks on the eyes but why does the CT4 appear to be longer than the CT5? (Note the difference in length from the front wheels to the nose)

I'm moving when :

Shoulder surgery (and not being able to drive for at least six weeks) sucks.

The Escalade has done well for sure. But there are also more expensive SUVs out there, but Cadillac has pushed Escalade up into that $85-100k range which is job well done by them. CTS-V still sells at a big discount compared to rivals, and now it is gone anyway. Allante, ELR, XLR, XLR-V, STS-V all went bust for one reason or another. CT6 could get the ax too, that has been rumored, so we'll see how that plays out. Even when CTS has gone up in price over the years sales dropped every generation but trying to have a vehicle switch segments was also a bad idea from the start by the marketing folks.

There is no strength in electric vehicle ventures.