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It seems you are the one that usually makes things personal if someone disagrees with your opinion. Going right away to name calling like an angry 12 year old (seems to me I told you that already once or twice ...). @ocnblu has his strong opinion about EVs in general and this particular BMW. No reason to make it personal if he disagrees with you. I do agree that BMW is not anymore "The Ultimate Driving machine", and hasn't been that in a long while. Now they are becoming the ultra techno company that makes ugly electronic high end appliances.

That's the most civil and under rated response I've seen on C and G in 16 years here. You are quite polite, sir. Ms. Lauper gets it right. This is exactly correct. As always, the voice of reason and reality. Have a great weekend, Mark.

People can get overly emotional and personal in conversation about consumer products. I really haven't liked BMW since the early 00s. The era of the E36, E38, E39, E46 was a high point for the company as far as the 'Ultimate Driving Machine' ethos, IMO. BMW's product has become more powerful, faster, heavier, far more complex, far less reliable, and less serious as far as driver involvement since then..

I just bothered to watch the BMW commercial vid in the opening post. Wow. That's easily the worst ad for an automotive product I've ever seen. Run a string of biting, negative commentary from (assumedly) real people, meanwhile attempting to dispell that criticism with smug, knowing smiles from paid actors. GREAT JOB, Bimmer!

Haha! I think you got the name wrong... but Game

To all participating parties solely complaining about each other: Quit being so petty.

Good looking F series always liked these. For Balthazar One more for Bill...OCN... Random truck pic for today. The end! One more in Green...

One more, needs de cluttered and modernized, good bones. https://www.van-bevern.com/en/properties/beautiful-historic-house-in-la-barra-lbh833/

Soo-BAR-oo. I like.

And getting stranger.

'Benzinga' (whatever that is) is reporting the Rivian pricing this morning. Seems Rivian will initially offer a 'launch edition' of the 2 trucks, but unlike the full boat Hummer Edition One, it's not a max spec version. Equipped with a middling 300 mile range battery pack, the R1T pickup will start at a commanding $75,000, while the R1S will be $77,500. Re-using the old Ford moniker; the "Explorer" is stated to start at $67,500, whereas the swiped Dodge (nee DeSoto) moniker "Adventurer" will be $77,500. Apparently these are trim levels. Around January of 2022, 250 mile range and 400 mile range variants will be available. It's curious that the 400 mile pack wasn't part of the 'launch edition', and that will undoubtedly be many thousands more in base price. - - - - - It shouldn't be necessary to again point out, but manufacturers and pundits all in on the fantasy that EV trucks will quickly replace IC trucks that start up to $30 grand cheaper, aren't being aware of how the existing consumer market functions. At these prices, these are niche products, not mainstream.

I've driven a Tesla Model S (once, it was enough) and plenty of Prius. So who lied to you?

^ Is that from GoT? - - - - - People should speak for themselves, not project their beliefs / narrative on others. The concept that a person is "afraid" of a given Thing simply because their preference is elsewhere is wildly erroneous, and it's projection. I'm not afraid of Volvos because I prefer Pontiacs & Buicks, I just have no use or appreciation for volvos.

Sorry. I will take what Cadillac is offering in terms of BEVs. That BMW is more cartoonish than ever, regardless of whether it is a BEV or an ICE SAV. Who hired their stylists and designers?

Coming to a country club near you soon. Give it ten or fifteen years, it will be another world.

Leisure Suite Larry

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Not sure what browser you are using, but if you're on Firefox, you can either right click the link and open in an Incognito tab or change your security settings to Strict for those concerns (the second option might break certain websites like C&G where you log in). Edge and Chrome you can set InPrivate mode to be strict browsing as well.

This is the best looking post war american car, 65-70 Mustang FB, along with 58-62 Chevy Corvette.

For Olds Hurst... For CCAP For Bill/OCN

Ohh. ohh... In Gatlinburg Tennesee.... "My real random thought upon logging in this morning: I wonder what Lorena and John Bobbitt are up to these days ..." I am sure we will get the long and the short of it.

@A Horse With No Name Uruguay is rated highly on those retirement lists among the South American countries. It has a lot of good things going for it - relative stability, progressive thinking, good health care, and the highest literacy rate on that continent. I know that they rank Costa Rica (have never been) highly, but it's Central America, and not South America, and, when you start reading more and more, it has its hazards. - - - - - My real random thought upon logging in this morning: I wonder what Lorena and John Bobbitt are up to these days ...

I really want to visit this part of south America, and would love to retire there. It has a huge romantic appeal to me.

This looked familiar, in a general way, because of the trees (pines) in the background and the word Barra (not Mary). Barra de Maldonado is close to beautiful Punta del Este, one of the better known resorts in South America and a mecca for people from Buenos Aires with money. Punta del Este (UY) is one of the coolest places I've been to. Uruguay and Argentina may be in South America, but it feels more like being in Europe Punta del Este, Uruguay: This is the actual point (punta) - "downtown" Punta del Este jutting out to its point - to the left (east) is the Atlantic and to the right (west) is the Rio de la Plata ... all those cool homes would be about 5 and 10 miles up, mostly going up along the road fronting the Atlantic side. I will never forget this place.

That's how it is currently pronounced in southern Europe. First heard it some 5 to 10 years ago across the pond, when pointing and laughing, "Look, there's a Subaru dealership."

One more, near the beach, 200K, not bad... https://www.van-bevern.com/en/properties/house-near-the-beach-in-punta-colorada-pch711/

Whoa.

Not whining. Wishing to return to topic. Comply dammit. The car is weird. The aesthetic is not SERIOUS, like most BMWs, it is trying to be WHIMSICAL, and FAILING MISERABLY. We had an i3 in our shop recently... a shopping cart rolled into the liftgate... and being GLASS, it SHATTERED into a MILLION PIECES, allowing the TAILLIGHTS to DANGLE FROM THEIR WIRES (being loosely attached behind the tempered glass surface of the gate). The floor on the car is so high relative to the rocker panels, it is claustrophobic. Calling the BMW dealer for parts, it became clear they were glad to witness its extinction. Counting on one hand the number of ppl who even knew it existed in the first place.

Just talk about the ugly BMW please.

Notice pronunciation of "Subaru" in these adverts. From now on, I am going to say it like this.

The other persons sarcasm sensor works just fine. Yours however, seems to be on the fritz as evidenced by your above response. Again, so “cerebral” lol. That’s sarcasm btw.

Then no one owes you squat, hence the hypocrisy of you having a tantrum over the downvotes you’ve received. And please don’t flatter yourself. You are a lot of things but cerebral is not one of them. Oh and next time, be a man and quote the entire statement and not just select words to conflate whatever “cerebral” argument you are trying to make. It’s as boring as the BMW.

That is nice of you. Thank-you! Like wise! Awesome truck BTW.

(*memo to self: don't rely on other ppl's sarcasm sensors. More often than not, they are non-existent.)

Visit the Boutique store to try out the demo models I would guess. I agree as for me I have to sit in it and test it out before I will order an EV.

Flagship of the BEV SUVs is how I took it. The X7 is still the Big Dog flagship SUV, until the X8 (coupe SUV) arrives for 2022.

Did ya get LED so you never have to replace them again?

Ford LWB transit converts as well with LWB camper.

One more Jeep with a roof top camper.

Went to my local Ace Hardware this beautiful afternoon and actually had an in-person inside 'shopping experience' for the first time since February, even paid with 'cash' paper money instead of my usual online shopping w/ plastic. It was all strange and new, everyone masked up and 6 feet apart. But I had to do it, because sometimes the only way to find a very specific, strange sized lightbulb is to take the old one and compare with ones hanging on a wall (I was having no luck on Amazon). Now I have two new bulbs for my house number sign on the light post (the old bulbs had burnt out one-by-one since I've lived here). A tiny small, DIY victory amidst a really boring time working from home...

lol! Okay. I live in Graham, which is a small town off I-85/40 between Greensboro and Raleigh. Some really good local breweries here though, ones that are surviving the COVID madness, that is. And Hendersonville is way out there (3-4 hours west of me). Had to tow a car three hours to a place right outside of town there. Very quiet and peaceful out there though. (Elon Musk hands joint to Ford Execs and says "F it! Just randomly change the engine on them when they pick a certain color!")

You JUST stated they achieve the same combined fuel economy.

This just doesn't look very appealing.

BMW styling just went from bad to worse.

As in "gotta go to Kmart"? anyway...the next word going forward right after pacifier. The Rock

Over all, I love the EV powertrain, interior is not bad, but I do have some concerns about the metal piece in the center of the head rest. Exterior is not bad over all except for the MASSIVE SPINKTER on the front of the auto. WTF BMW! ?

olds...PLEASE tell me you do not like that mutant experiment gone WRONG. It's laughably bad!

This has to be a joke. PUTRID!