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A 2021 GMC Canyon Denali - White with Cocoa/Dark Atmosphere interior. Big change from the CTS but not the first truck I have had. It's been a number of years now but I have had two S10's and two Rangers through the years. So why a Canyon you ask? Well, I decided I wanted a truck for towing the camper and full size, while very nice, just didn't suit our needs. It doesn't fit in the garage and would be hard to get around when parked in the driveway. I did really want the 3.0L Duramax, though, so I gave it some serious thought. I was either going to get a truck or buy the Cadillac. Eventually decided on either a Colorado or Canyon but the initial stop at a Chevy and GMC dealer did not result in encouraging leasing rates for either. I had decided to order a 2022 Canyon Elevation pretty well loaded up and just extend the Cadillac lease until it came in if necessary. I prefer the no chrome look and bright blue of the Elevation and was going to go that route. Then I received a mailer from another local GMC dealership offering an attractive lease price on a Canyon Denali so I went and talked to them. The out the door deal wound up reasonable enough that I decided to pull the trigger. I generally prefer brighter exterior colors but after having several cars in a row with black interiors I decided to prioritize the interior color over the exterior color. Since inventories are tight, I had to go with what the dealership had so white it is! While not my first choice (I would have preferred Hunter Metallic as you can't get the Denali in blue), I actually do think it looks pretty good in white. I have only put a couple hundred miles on it so far so too early to offer in depth driving impressions. I am a bit disappointed with some missing features on this "loaded" truck that I hope GM addresses on the next iteration. Call me spoiled but I haven't had a car that required me to get my keys out of my pocket for close to 10 years. They have all been proximity keyless entry and push button start. Now I have to lock/unlock with a FOB and use a key to start it. First world, problems, I know! There is no garage door opener, no blind spot monitoring and no memory seating. All of those are features I would expect on a top trim vehicle these days. I don't particularly love the old school, dim incandescent interior lighting either. I'll be towing my camper a 100 miles or so this weekend so I'll circle back in a week or two and give my driving/towing impressions. My initial impressions is that it is a bit bouncy like you would expect an unloaded truck to be but overall it rides and drives pretty nicely.

They're new. They can't initially drop a 6 vehicle lineup. The point was just that they offer two vehicles out of the gate, both of which are HUGE selling body styles here in the US, NOT a sedan. I guess, technically they have a work van as well.

Tesla started in 2003- 18 years ago. Do you think a person walks into BMW dealership and says 'Show me an X1, an X7, and every SUV in between; I have utterly no idea what I want and I can afford any of them"??

This is what one can expect of a cyber truck in a reasonable price range. The Plybertruck Is the Cybertruck’s Poorer, More Awesome Cousin from Out of Town - autoevolution

See, that's why I love this forum. Music, travel, cars, motorcycles....my mind gets opened. That being said, I am a performance car guy. V all the way for me. That's awesome Have Ranger, will travel. Can be bribed by good Italian food and good conversation.

301 & 265 are low-deck motors, strangulated by design and walled-off from sharing far better engineered factory parts that would waken them up a little. Basically nothing interchanges between the shunned 265/301 and all other PMD V8s. 350 is great, these 2... no. I am aware you gravitate towards 'lil chuggers' - serviceable engines that exhibit good longevity & reliability. Just note you can get those characteristics in something with more than 135 HP ('77 Safari 2bbl 301 growing up).

The colour white for cars is like the flavour vanilla for desserts. Kinda plain but still very very interesting if done right. (Vanilla as a flavour is hella tasty and delicious...) Look at all those 1950s two toned cars. Plain jane and only white, but there is something about a 440 Challenger R/T And its modern counterpart with just the right amount of black accents. White Trans Ams are the same way with the subtle electric blue stripes and the blue back end A couple of (mostly) all white C4 Vettes make a statement And as clichéd as a white Cadillac (Deville or Eldorado)) convertible with Longhorns are on the hood (Boss Hogg original and Burt Reynolds' version), you got to admit, these cars look good in white http://motorlandamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/IMG_3187-1200x900.jpg How about a modern white Caddy? Id say its a winner!

Bmw doesn’t have 7 or 9 SUVs in the Rivian’s price range; they have 1. So if the buyer doesn’t like the X7, they can go over to Rivian. See how that turned?

Tesla Model S was about 10 years ago is what I meant. Even the roadster went on sale in like 08 or 09 but there was no volume there. And I don't think that, but BMW has an SUV for a single person, a family, someone that wants an EV (once that iX thing is on sale, or maybe i3 is around still), a 3-row, a performance SUV, etc. Rivian has 1 option, if you don't like that one option you go to the next brand.

I'm sure that was said on this very site..

>> “How is Tesla supposed to compete with only one coupe when other brands have dozens of different models?!?” << ~ 2008 internet troll

Sorry David... But Tesla HAS got that covered

I think they are doing like Tesla and starting with higher trim models first but they have routinely stated that there would be sub-$100K models.

They immediately have a truck and SUV.

But will Rivian have sedans? Multiple Crossovers? You don’t stay in business on 1 model, look at how much the Toyota Tundra struggles because they basically have 1 body style. And that is okay because Toyota has about 30 other models. All these startups will be small time and maybe not survive because they don’t have factory space or ability to put out a new product every year. I think the goal of Rivian and Lucid is to get acquired by another car company, but I don’t think any car company is interested in buying them.

Put a roof on it, change the color, drop it back 10 years and make it a Chrysler. ?

Eldorado was convertible-only from '61-66. The one above has aftermarket rub strips down the sides- I always like the Eldos because they don't have that (the lower stainless is factory). Very rare in these years- only 2,250 built in '66. You can't believe how beautiful the ride is in this era Cadillac; I slipped into a cloud dimension taking this for a spin a few years ago:

^ Some interesting cars there...the humpy lumpy red car w/ the side opening hood is an 40s Buick. They used that style hood into the 50s. The Eldorado is a '66 (last year of the RWD Eldorado). I think the '65-66 Eldorados were convertibles only. the white Chevy 2dr sedan is a '60, looks like a low trim level--Biscayne or Bel Air I think.

We are all awaiting a "return to normalcy," the phrase that's a keeper quoted by Warrren Harding just over 100 years ago. Here are some signs: "Cafe' 150," as seen from where I am sitting with my $1.50 meal and without a mask! If you liked your meal and your service, (and your coupon), let them know. What are you listening to? Sorry, wrong thread ...

I sold at a dealership for a year and a half but it was not a major new brand so most of what I was forced to see was terrible close to trash used cars. the fun part about where I was it was a small satellite store to the main dealership stores; it was more like a mom and pop that unfortunately at times was subject to the rules of the Kremlin. Spent a lot of time just hanging out in the service bays shooting the breeze with the guys there; I think that's where I learned the most about what goes on at a dealership....lots of characters but many good people. It's kind of a 'nobody can win' environment; except for a very few who are good at making bonuses off others or other parts of the organization...or if you are part of the people that own the dealership.

Ford aint too shabby either with their town tones in the '50s Mercury

I like GM's 1950s two tones 1955 I think was some of the best

The badge.

Rivian R1S starts at $75K. bmw x5 starts at $59K. Not at all in the same price range. bmw x6 starts at $67K. Close, perhaps some will cross-shop, but not many. Also almost twice as slow to 60 as the Rivian (5.3 vs. 3.0)... according to your common metric that means no one will remotely consider the bmw. x7 at least is $75K, direct competition price-wise. And the only one. Rumors about the x8 have been swirling at least since summer of '20, but it's merely a 'GT' variant of the X7... nothing special. GT variants typically sell very poorly, so expect a price-topper GT to be near impossible to move.

THAT is a mystery waiting to be solved... Its got Caprice mags. I dont know what the face looks like, but it does look like its got a hood ornament. The rear quarters DO say Impala SS and the C Pillar has that Impala SS kink. The Caprice had that triangular peak. But wait on a second... From I think 1995, the Caprice ditched that C Pillar design and gained the Impala kink and the lights in the back... And so in that mystery pick...we could see that the lights have chrome around them and the Impala SS was DEVOID of chrome trim in the backlights. I think that this car was a Caprice and was accidented and was repaired with Impala SS rear fenders .

I felt my Sierra was a lil bouncy (esp after years in a 2500HD), but I do believe the suspension/springs ‘settle’ with some use, and now the Sierra feels very good/better than whem brand new (2200 miles now). What engine ?

But in the most technical sense, they have been in "business" for 18 years. That was the point I believe Balth was trying to make.

Sharp...sounds pretty stripped down for a Denali trim, though.

Hey BIFF, If you actually paid attention you would not have ever POSTED THIS IGNORANT POST! ? Rivian having Amazon and Ford as Investors, Amazon as a major Customer (PRIME DELIVERY VANS) and not 1, 2 or 3 but 6 new models in development proven by the following: Trademark Filings Hint at Six New Rivian Models | The Drive I did my own Free Form Search at: Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) (uspto.gov) "RIVIAN" pulls up all the current fillings of which the company has been very busy and you can see the future that is coming. Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) (uspto.gov) Report: Rivian plans six new models by 2025 (greencarreports.com) Rivian Car Models List | Complete List of All Rivian Models Rivian To Launch Three More Models by 2024 | Rivian Forum – Rivian R1T & R1S News, Pricing & Order... (rivianownersforum.com) On top of this is the clear captures of an Extended Cab truck to go with the Crew Cab truck and other models. Rivian test footage hints at possible extended cab R1T - Electrek We then have the recent interviews by Forbes with CEO and Founder RJ and he clearly states more models are on the way. Heavily Funded Electric Truckmaker Rivian Plans IPO With Confidential SEC Filing (forbes.com) On top of this was even back in the interview Forbes did in Feb 2020, RJ talked about an expanded Portfolio. Elon Musk’s New Nemesis: Rivian Founder R.J. Scaringe Has A $3 Billion War Chest And Tesla In His Headlights (forbes.com) A moment in time at Feb 2020 comparison: End result is that Rivian is NOT LOOKING TO BE BOUGHT UP, but a well funded, superior engineered Electric Auto Company that will move beyond Tesla. Credit to Tesla for getting this and battery tech going, but they have sat in many ways on moving forward with what the public wants and Rivian I can see surpassing Tesla especially once an IPO goes out and they get an even bigger war chest to expand the company. RJ is Smarter than Musk!

Apparently you didn’t know about Rivian because you said, earlier, that they only had one so that’s a lie right off the bat. About the sedans, duh. I’m aware of the market but funny how this level of criticism did not befall a certain German brand when they introduced their first real EV SEDAN. Point here being that sedans are only surviving in the luxury realm right now so this was an appropriate release seeing as how it has been in development for years. Your entire argument seems to skip of the facts mentioned above. Exactly. He bitches about one company NOT putting out an SUV and instead releasing a sedan and then bitches about the other only having one SUV like any new company has started with twelve when they first come out. Damn if you do and damn if you don’t with his bar moving. I swear he has Tesla stock. Stick to the damn subject. The M5 is not competition for it. The Tesla Model S is and on paper, the Lucid spanks it and according to the review I posted above, it destroys it on every metric but what do I know. I just see the words of the people who actually DRIVE them as opposed to your constant bar moving tactics here, none of which involves any wheel time in the cars you mention.

here is a picture of the interior design studio, working on laying out the unique 'circles cut into a plywood wall' dashboard layout design.

That just points back to my original statement of laziness. They didn't want to spend money to develop technology that all of us can see was a big improvement to both performance and fuel economy, and eventually reliability. It took Ford until the 80s as well... but when they finally got around to it, the results were drastic. The '83 Continental had the carbed 302 with 131 horsepower and 230 lb-ft. By 85 they added throttle body fuel injection that brought hp to 140 hp and 250 lb-ft. In '86 they went to multi-port fuel injection and that brought power up to 150 hp and 270 lb-ft in the Continental, but with other modifications could go as high as 225 hp / 300 lb-ft in Mustangs with less restrictive / dual exhausts. That big of a swing on essentially the same block shows what they could have done had they just put fuel injection on there in the first place instead of stubbornly sticking with carbs. I can attest from personal experience that the '85 Continental with throttle body fuel injection was good for 26 - 27 mpg highway. GM didn't fair as well because they went on the misguided trip of downsizing engines (something they're repeating today) to gain fuel economy and they went so far that not even adding fuel injection could help. Tiny 135 hp HT4100 V8s with 190 lb-ft of torque trying to move Sedan Devilles and Fleetwood Broughams and working so hard it defeated any fuel economy gains they might have gotten. It took multiple upsizings of the engines to get back to... 4.9 liters just to get 200 hp and 275 lb-ft... and those required premium to do it. The Chevy 350 went through a similar metamorphosis as they added fuel injection ranging from 145 hp in 1976 to up to 330 hp in the LT1 in 1996.

Wrong again, on the price. Again. research.

Spotted August 22 It said Caprice Classic on the rear deck lid, even though it has Impala SS embossed on the rear fenders. This appears to a 1996 and, with dual exhaust, appears to have the Chevy 5.7L V8 under the hood. It's a 25 year old car. People are hanging onto these!

Tesla had no problem starting with the Model S SEDAN, that often crests over $100K, so I'm not sure price has any bearing here nor the type of car. Research is your friend.

Fuel injection had been around for decades by '76. If it was an option on a '58 Plymouth Fury, it should have been standard on a Cadillac 3 years post fuel crisis in '76. You and I both know that just slapping a TBI on a previously carbureted engine takes the bare minimum of engineering to do. Heck, I can retrofit my 307 today for about $1500 or about $312 in 1976 using aftermarket parts... GM's total cost would likely be less than half of that and they would have passed that on to consumers as a "new fuel saving technology that increases power". Also, making the 500 the standard engine in all Cadillacs (minus Seville) in 1975 was extraordinarily tone deaf on Cadillac's part. Cadillac did introduce the 425 as a new engine. While the overall design was based on the 472/500, with the smaller displacement they were able to shave 100lbs off the block. But the fact that the carbed 425 made the same horsepower as the FI 350 should have told them something right there. In 1980, the Seville got a fuel injected 368 (it was the 8-6-4) with 145hp, but in California it got the fuel injected 350 and even though it was smogged for California emissions, it still made 180hp, carbed and unsmogged versions also made 180 hp. But outside of Cadillac it was just as bad. They weren't spending money on development.. it was the era of malaise after all. Most of the "new" engines of this era are just lipstick on old pigs that failed to keep up with the times.

Just give it a brushed aluminum wrap and it will look just like a Cybertruck.

Thought of @balthazar when reading this and looking at the photo's. 1969 Plymouth Road Runner Convertible 383 Manual Flaunts Matching Numbers - autoevolution

They were being lazy. Even though the first oil crisis happened in 1973, they didn't take that as a sign of the times and start developing more efficient engines. The Cadillac 8.1 remained in production until the end of the 1976 model year run. They replaced it with a 7.0 liter but still put old fashioned carbs (180hp) on it in base form. The fuel injected form it got 195 hp. The Olds 5.7 in the '76 Seville also got 180hp though at a higher RPM than the 7.0.

with the early 80's v6 3.8L(231) also putting out ~110hp..it's also about low redlines. if your redline is at 4500rpm, that castrates all but the torquyest motors... also probably low 8:1 compressions

The GM small displacement V8s of the late 70s-early 80s all seemed to be very low on power..the Pontiac 265 had 120hp, the Olds 260 had 110hp, the Chevy 262 had 110hp, and the Chevy 267 had 120hp... I assume they were an attempt to get better gas mileage.

This was also at that "car show" on the street and I'm giving it separate billing. This family had purchased this Buick LeSabre for their son years ago, and it was a family project. Some humorous things on this one ... I guessed it was either a '77 or a '78. It is a '79. Not sure which LeSabre trim level ... probably up from the base model. Manual windows but air conditioned. The brushed silver dials on this model were cool, as is the imposing full-size dash, and shared with the Electra and the "grafted on" Riviera on the coupe platform for '77 and '78. I am not a fan of the dice and never will be. The tray with the shakes and malts is funny. It screams, "Trans Am ... what's your pleasure?" This inscription takes the cake! The engine is original. Its pulley configuration is Buick. Even though Olds 350 V8s and Olds 403 V8s made it into these cars, most likely into California bound ones, these folks weren't going to have that, it seemed. This is the Buick 350 V8. Affirmative, per the car's owner.

And by THAT time a C9 Corvette will ALSO hit the streets! STOP PHOQUING TROLLING! STOP RESPONDING LIKE AN ADOLESCANT IDIOT!

How does this even happen?

Proper shout out to Tri-tones!

Nah, not going to drive like that for 15 miles... not when it's 90 degrees out...and the hatch open beeping would drive me nuts.

Yes... Nothing accounts for that taste... Yes...Barney purple is not for everyone. Yet... There are plenty of FACTORY purple cars and SEVERAL customized wraps that people opted for over the years...

A Corvette branded performance CUV would likely get way more sales and attention than a Chevy <something else> branded performance CUV. The Corvette name has a performance cache that Chevrolet by itself doesn’t have. A Cadillac V series performance CUV could do well also.