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1. That is because the world, also has an economy, not only the US, and does trade with China. The world, also produces trinkets, that makes Chinese cheap labour produce them. Remember, 'twas American greed that opened up that Pandora's box. China then, learned to build factories, and court the rest of the world to trade with her... That is pure fear mongering on your part. Albeit China is already a force to be reckoned with, you as an American, who lived a very protective, rather safe life from invaders, wealthy but rather most wasteful wealth because the US was virtually the ONLY country intact and not devasted by WW2, the rest of the world DID catch up to US high living standards in economy and in education. All this time between WW2 and Id say early 1990s, the US was virtually untouchable. But TRADE ROUTES with your allies like South Korea, West Germany allowed those countries to reach US high living standards, and with American Corporate greed allowed China to join those ranks. Because Germany united, South Korea started their own trade routes, and they too, started to trade with China...again, that Pandora's box was opened up by Reagan and Wallstreet NYC. 2. Could very well be...but the US does the same thing. The US over produces milk, Wisconsin. The US is miffed because Canada regulates its dairy production. The US wants to enter the Canadian market to sell over produced milk. The US wants to flood the Canadian market...that in turn will destroy the Canadian dairy farmers. So...the US reverts to strong tariffs for Canadian milk... Same scenario with Canadian lumber Same thing with the aviation industry. It seems to me that the US wants to corner all industries with Canada and not let any Canadian industry flourish. Well...that is what happened with the rest of the world. The US has had this monopoly going on, but at the same time, countries also found a way to bypass US economic strongholds... Canada...does NOT want to ditch the US as a partner. Canada and the US share a huuuuuge border together which would be stupid for both countries to walk out on each other....but what incentive does US strogholding leave countries like Greece, France, which dont share any borders with the US. I mentioned Greece. Greece and the US were very strong allies during the 1950s and 1960s. But them the US saw another strong partner in Turkey and let go some of that frienship with Greece. THAT is why Greece does NOT really listen to the US anymore, and they quasi listen to Russia, a and China lately. Going back to China. Greece used to produce her own souvenir trinkets. They were of high quality. Now...like everyone else. China produces those. And they are of very low quality. Greece was choked to death with Western economical realities...that caused Greece to go bankrupt. Well, if the US and other countries played nice and not wanting to choke Greece to death, Greece sold a percentage of her most biggest and prestigious ports, Piraeus to China. And China has big big big plans for this port. TRADE ROUTES my friend.... All to say...what is good for the goose....MUST be good for the gander. The US strongholds the world in the same way China does it...too damned bad for the US if China does... I know its your country...but China looks after China just like the US looks after the US... 3. So much wrong in that one. So...you advocate slave labour? All for your insatiable need for overconsumption of trinkets? The US is in this predicament today BECAUSE of how they have conducted business the way YOU just described it... And all these countries YOU described are not exactly 100% America's friend... Shyte dude...you will cut your nose to spite your face... Besides...I thought you said the US does NOT need these slave labour countries to produce America's need to overconsume...and on the cheap too... So...you want Americans to be paid slave labour instead? 4. Oh...but it is!!! Blame American Corporate greed on this point. THAT would be an American soul searching change for your people to get off this addiction of overconsumption... This has nothing to do America's trading partners. America's trading partner's are just supplying your addictions on the cheap. YOUR Corporations are the drug pushers pushing you to spend spend spend...A lot of your policies, voted in by YOUR levels of government have to do with policies regarding such a thing YOU described... 5. While bringing back American factories to the US...would be a good thing. The Pandora's box has already been opened up. Thanx to the American way of life through American TV and movies, that good life...people no longer need to immigrate to the US...only the really really shytehole country's people want to...the world over now wants that life, in their homelands...and because their countries have education to where they too could build stuff, have jobs that they too could buy stuff, they want to buy stuff on the cheap...JUST like the US... So...again...close YOUR doors to trade...the world WILL continue on trading with or without you... Ive already mentioned scenarios in my other posts... Your views are really short short sighted....

He probably couldnt get his chefs to put an equal amount of blueberries in the muffins in HIS casinos.... In all honesty...a big business like a casino, has many facets. Even a crackerjack like Frank Rosenthal had a hard time. And he was a control freak. As so I understood not only from the movie, but googling his history. It remains though, that because Trump was front and center in these businesses, his name and presence...it dont matter if he was the reason why they failed or the incompetent people he chose to run the casinos... After all, watching several seasons of his TV show..."Youre Fired" (Yes...I know "The Apprentice...he was such a damned arrogant fool that he wanted to trademark 'Youre Fired') many a times, HE would OFTEN blame the "project manager" and fire him/her BECAUSE the project manager couldnt manage the incompetent workers... Yes...he would allow the incompetant workers that defense as it made great television...but...as his TV ratings proved...he really was a better TV star than he was a businessman. The upside to that is...so Ive heard... Because there is another, even less favourable angle to Trump's business acumen, according to some folk who hate him...LOOOOOONG before he decided to try his hand in politics... Those bankruptcies...were more or less...a calculated affair... I dont recall the details...nor do I care enough to find links to post them as proof...but it is a common theme with his former business associates that he supposedly screwed over, that he would manipulate loss of revenue to screw them out of monies he owed... And there is speculation that he used that tactic for those bankruptcies... Which is worse? An incompetent businessman who boasts how good he is as a businessman yet he has several bankruptcies...(and yes...successful businessmen DO have businesses that fail...over and over again...but that is what makes them succesful, is that they never stop trying...)] Or a businessman that has no morals and uses unscrupulous business practices to get ahead. (Again, the free market system encourages this behaviour so Trump aint the only one) Bottom line is: Well...this thread is full of answers both for and against Trump. Pick a side... I for one...wouldnt trust this phoquer with declogging my toilets...but hey...Im just a guy that flips hamburgers for a living. But I do it HONESTLY!!!

I dont judge you by your political ideologies. But I do judge you by the way you respond.

I hear you. I wouldnt change tires myself if I was going to injure myself due to bad backs or any other ailments. I have been lucky because in the last 20 years, I havent needed to lift my cars to chang a flat tire. Ive had 2 or 3 instances with nails in my tires, but they were slow leaks and I was able to put air in the tires, when I saw them low, and drive to a garage to repair the tire. Those plug thingys worked great for those 2-3 times. Knock on wood because I dont want a flat tire anytime soon. There are some cars that dont come with a jack anymore. That much I know so its not a total shocker for me to hear this kind of news. I think the Corvette is one of these cars that dont come with a jack. I dont like the idea of not having a jack, though.

(on the fact that this new wheel thingy is heavier than run-flats...but a very minor difference) A vehicle on the road will always need a jack...eliminating a jack to save a very minor weight difference sounds stupid to me... There will always be a pot hole(s) (yeah...like in succession) somewhere in Detroit or Montreal that will be deep enough, or jagged enough, or both...to damage this uptis wheel thingy... So...if you damage your utpis...how do you lift your car to replace it? I aint the one to call for assistance as I could handle a jack well enough, thank-you very much!

I saw @dwightlooi 's response and I laughed at it... I wanted to mention since the dawn of time...humans from one area, figured out trade routes with humans from another area was the ONLY way to enrich their area...not only with products like wine or olive oil or spices or stuff like trinkets, vases and gold and bronze and the like...but with CULTURE and ART and...IDEAS and TECHNOLOGY... MOST IMPORTANTLY...with ART and CULTURE and IDEAS and TECHNOLOGY... @dwightlooi is forgetting that the Roman Empire is the reason why the GREEK WORLD survived...and why did the Greek world survive? BECAUSE of the ancient GREEK trade routes that went as far as India and China and Persia...and Egypt and beyond Egypt. China...yes...like you said Dwight....China KNOWS a thing or two about trade routes...they've been doing it for 12 000 years... And all of those Ancient Greek trade routes, there were trade routes where the Ancient Greeks DID NOT have AN INFLUENCE on... Meaning...there were Ancient peoples that traded with each other that had NOTHING to do with Ancient Greece. But...somehow...Ancient ideas from Greece and from those areas DID influence each other through the influence EVERYBODY had with each other... Sumerians, Hitties, Hebrews...ALL traded with each other DIRECTLY but NEVER or SELDOM with the Greek sdirectly, but the Persians had DIRECT trades with them and Greeks had DIRECT trades with the Persians... and...its funny...all in that area had SIMILAR ideologies, SIMILAR Dieties...SIMILAR languages....yes...including Greek... Yeah...the famous Greek alphabet...whose origins are influenced by that Middle Eastern world I just mentioned... Astronomy...a very Greek thing...but the thing is...astronomy was ALWAYS a subject that was discussed by the Ancients of EVERY region...and yes...TRADE ROUTES helped EXCHANGE ideas... The Roman Empire...whose trade routes were probably the most vast...kept the Greek world alive because THEY were the ones to keep the Greek philosophies on trade, language, money... And all that...because of TRADE ROUTES... The UNITED STATES of AMERICA... ITS COMPANIES... FORD GENERAL MOTORS COCA-COLA HOLLYWOOD MOVIES and I could go on and on KENTUCKY MOTHERPHOQUING CHICKEN???!!! Does NOT go WORLD WIDE if NOT for TRADE ROUTES... @dwightlooi and all others... YOU FOLK want AMERICAN CULTURE to DOMINATE the world...and YOU HAVE BEEN...but you dont want some of it back from other places??? You know why Ancient Greece was soooooo respected? Because Ancient Greece INFLUENCED other peoples...but ALLOWED to be IEQUALLY INFLUENCED... And THAT is why the Romans wanted THEIR Empire to resemble the Greek way... And THAT is why the Greek world survived... You guys talk about trade in-equality? Since WW2...America has had quite the trade imbalance going on with MANY countries...FAVOURING the USA... The US has no trade imbalance with Canada... The US may have a trade imbalance with China...only because THEY BUILD AMERICAN GOODS on the CHEAP... GTFO with YOUR crying... You mention the iPhone... Wallstreet in New York along with Reagan OPENED up the doors to China to BUILD AMERICAN goods in China... BLAME AMERICAN GREED for that...NOT CHINA!!! And on trade routes...YOU gots lots to learn...pick up a history book...and learn from the Ancients... Yeah..there was war...only because TRADE ROUTES ARE LUCRATIVE... And AMERICAN CORPORATIONS....KNOW HOW LUCRATIVE THEY CAN BE... Trade routes WILL ONLY BENEFIT YOUR CORPORATIONS... CUT TRADE ROUTES OUT...and THERE WILL NOT BE AMERICAN CORPORATIONS...THE OTHER COUNTRIES" CORPORATIONS WILL BECOME BIGGER, WEALTHIER, STRONGER AND MORE TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED...AND THEY WILL TAKE OVER THE AMERICAN ONES...

This is Québec level government spending. Im impressed...that we arent the only ones being hosed this way...

This is the other flip side of what Im saying. We could blame China all we want. But we should blame ourselves too. We let our politicians tell us that (over)consumption is a good thing. We got fooled into believing that living a good life is JUST about consumption. To consume, consume, consume products that will cost us less and less and less and we have created a throw-out society, voraciously consuming...and we let our corporate world tell us how and when we should consume and we let out corporations leave to go where labour is cheap....and in our own countries, we let politicians and corporate big wigs tell us that we shouldnt be getting high wages either...for the menial jobs because capitalism works best if CEOs get to buy helicopters to go to work but a minimum wage worker needs additional food stamps just to feed his family... Yes...THIS is what free trade done to us... But...for those that do have a decent wage job...there is still 2-3 cars outside his too big for what he needs house mostly fully furnished (some peeps have no furniture at all in their McMansions though) but all on credit... So...some of us actually done well with free trade...we got all the trinkets we want...and we get them on the cheap...and we use other people's money to get them, but we are 5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 paychecks indebted to them... So...blame China all you want...but we must take a look in the mirror when we do blame China... Free trade is not a bad thing... Its how as a people, choose to use free trade... Tariffs... Maybe the North American people needs an overhaul in their thinking about how they consume consumer products...maybe they should start consuming...less...

You see... I agree with all that what you posted! But... THIS right there! Are us North American consumers PREPARED to let go of our avarice for always consuming? Are we prepared to cut our ties with buying on credit, to be patient in not getting what we want right now, but by saving for it and if takes takes several years to acquire what it is that we desire, are we ready for that? Are we ready for paying our workers, our minimum wage workers a salary that they could actually live by and raise a family with? And by that same token, are we ready to pay for our consumer products EXUBERANT prices and are we ready to learn how to cook again and STOP eating out because eating out will now be out of reach? Are we ready to do this? Because THIS is what it takes... Because THAT is how life really was back when America was truly great... Because free trade is what really opened up the doors for you and I to consume iPhones every 2nd year, to buy 55/65/75 inch TVs every other year and each year the price of TVs drop by 500 bucks. Are we ready to put plastic protective sheets on our 1 good couch, to keep it as a family heir loom forever to pass it down through the generations because carpenters and upholsterers will now command dear dear salaries (the way it used to be)? Are we ready to learn how to sew, to learn how to cobble our old shoes and not throw out clothes just because and our we ready to NOT buy into brand names like Michael Korrs and Louboutin shoes? Because THIS is what it will take... Are we ready to live life with humbleness instead of excess? Dwight... I bet you overconsume yourself... I really dont think you live life the way your parents or my parents lived life for you to be dissing free trade the way you do... If you tell me that you live life very conservatively, that you do NOT eat out every other day, if you accepted your parent's old furniture and have NOT bought everything brand new on credit. then and only then will I give you some slack for this point of view....but if you do like every other Canadian and American the last 20-30 years and live life on credit, no saving what so ever, get a scratch on whatever thing-a-ma-jig you got, toss it out and buy another one or just plainly get the new thing-a-ma-jig just because its the new shiny thing...then please, dont BS me...

No no no no... Winston Churchill said that we will shall FIGHT on the beaches... So...no walls on the beaches, please!

Nope....the Aventador is NOT a track car... But its a testament to Lambo engineers getting that car that quick around a track... And that is the thing... YOU wax poetic for your beloved Mercedes F1 car...but fail to realize what other companies' engineers can do...especially in response to...yet another supercar... The C8 Corvette Zora is said to have...a 1000 horsepower plus plowerplant with hybrid electric assist motor(s). 2 -3 electric motors? 1 electric motor? Those are details that are yet unknown... What is known though, is that Corvettes for the last 20 years, their top trim, all have been track monsters. All have been at the top of the 'Ring times. And of course all other competition just improves upon what they got to stay untop of the heap...including Corvettes... And the C8 Zora...which is believed to be the name of it, wont be any different. It will have 1000 plus HP. It WILL be engineered to be a track monster. Hell, the base C8 is engineered to be a track monster. Why do you think all this Corvette Racing is for? Why do you think Chevy engineers finally made the decision to go mid-engined for? And they made THAT decision for the C7...its the bankruptcy that delayed it... Oh...about Ferrari https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a27626676/ferrari-sf90-stradale-hybrid-hypercar-power-specs-photos/ 986 HP. 3 electric motors and out performs LaFerrari... Do you think that Ferrari will leave the performance torch to their "baby" Ferrari? HA! When the next generation of the F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari lineage will come to be, do you think that your beloved Mercedes will still be a leader in peformance? And THIS is where Corvette comes...the C8 NOW, the C8 will have THE right chassis to actually BE a legit "exotic", "supercar", "hypercar" competitor to what you keep on harpering about... And damn the price tag of any foreign exotic POS car you wanna put the Corvette C8 up against... The C8 will have the right tools to actually not only nip at the heels, not only equal but SURPASS... 1000 plus horsepower today is just a mere number. Hell...MOPAR and Chevy Small Block V8s already come very close to that 1000 horsepower number with the help of superchargers, but they do that all day long, 24/7/365 with ease and reliability in DAILY DRIVEN duties on the week-days and track days on the week-ends...all for 100 000 dollars or less... THAT is without electric motor assist. THAT is with front heavy, (even though the Vette's engine is far far far back the engine bay and low low as can be to the ground...because pushrods...) RWD chassis WITHOUT AWD assist. Without gobs and gobs of carbon fiber... You think Corvette wont be able to do carbon fiber tubs for a super limited ZORA C8 with 1500 HP 4 electric motor assist for a smidgen of the price of what Mercedes will do? Corvette Racing is in the GT class...Not the other higher class. But Chevrolet....now Cadillac has joined that class... You think that a future C8 wont be able to pull that off? The way YOU wax poetic about that Mercedes supercar...I could do the same for Corvette... Corvette has 60 successful years in racing. Mercedes too...but YOU want to ignore what Corvette can do...

It will be... Not the base C8....the top of the line C8... The Aventador is an old car now...besides...Lambos are not track cars...especially that lineage of Lambo which is Countach, El Diablo, Murcielago and now Aventador... But yeah...keep drinking that Kool-Aid buddy!

You are right...Corvette should have become mid-engined right at the Disco Era...Id say 1978...the Silver Anniversary edition should have been the Aerovette instead. Without the Wankel of course. ?

Crazy Town...Butterfly Your post made me think of this song. And look...beaucoup tats and piercings.

What obsession are you talking about? What is it you are talking about when you say is this going to continue? Then you bring in Trudeau from a whole different country and you accuse people from another country and your own countrymen of the "tolerant left", if that was an insult and a bad thing...yet YOU are the one to insult, accuse of ruining the country for not being united? Like WTF dude??!!! Take a look in the mirror, man...intolerance is what is killing your country...and see who truly is the one NOT to want to get along...

Polynesian culture I believe, right? Not for me either. But I do find it interesting. But Ill be honest and tell you that Im shallow! If ugly human beings have tattoos, male or female, I HATE them. If attractive humans have tattoos, or if the tattoos fit their physique and personality...I find that to be HOT! Quite contradictory, right? But yeah! Forgetting that this dude IS Polynesian, I think he is hot and badass for his tattoos. If George Clooney was a criminal and had this type of tattoo, Id think he would be hot hot hot for having this tattoo. It works for me! Here...a regular dude with a similar motif. I would NEVER cheat on my wife...but Ill tell you one thing though, if I was in my 20s or 30s...man-o-man I would soooooo try to be her one night stand and hers And hers... She has a certain look that she wants to portray and her hair colour and colour and style of tats, just works for her...and I have great lust... But this...NO PHOQUING WAY. Like hit the gym dude, like shave your face, do something...because...it aint working. And that tattoo.. DUDE???!!! WTF???!!!

This is all wrong... You are going with base Corvette pricing IGNORING the high end Corvettes...while also looking at muscle car ending mid 1970s Corvettes...but at the same time...ignoring the fact that those smog era Corvettes ALSO took the Corvette to another level in its existence. Those smog era Corvettes became DISCO cars in which LUXURY was the focus... and you guessed it...RAISED the prices on the Corvettes...this is the time where the Corvette added a new role to its image...that of a GT car... You are sooooo all over the place... The Corvette has ALWAYS adapted to the market...it became what it needed to become to survive in the market place. Bottom line is this: The C8 HAS to be mid-engined. The Corvette NEEDED to be mid-engined a decade ago. And yes, the Corvette NEEDS to stay "affordable" (AFFORDABLE IN QUOTATION MARKS "affordable") because even in base form, affordability was always with a question mark... But the Corvette NEEDS to seek NEW types of buyers too. It wont hurt Corvette for pushing the limits of price on the HIGH END of Corvettes when Corvette WILL BE PUSHING PERFORMANCE AS WELL... You know the Mercedes 1 million dollar F1 supercar you keep on talking about? YEAH! Corvette WILL be nipping at its heels performance wise... You could deny that all you want...but THAT is what Corvette does...it always did that. And yeah...for that kind of performance with that kind of technology...you better believe that it will cost a lot of dough. And the Corvette WILL have that state of the art technology to be able to compete with 1 million dollar cars... It wont mean the Corvette will sell for 1 million dollars, but it will mean that the Corvette WILL go up up up in price... NO...NOT the base Corvette...the TOP OF THE LINE Corvette! And the TOP OF THE LINE Corvettes were ALWAYS stratospherically expensive relative to the market place of its time...

Not at all what I said... Again...stop pretending you dont understand what is written. Maybe you got biased blinders on, but you surely aint that stupid to understand what was written and what has been going on with Corvette the last 67 years...

In all fairness, the Passat, and especially the 2nd generation Passat, along with the Corrado did push Volkswagen into a different brand position. Those pushed VW a tad more upscale to where they once were. The Corrado was expensive for what it was. It was faster than anything VW had put out and was quite desirable. The 1st generation Passat introduced North Americans to what VW aspires to be. Both the Corrado and 1st generation Passat showed North Americans that VW need not be hippie inspired, peace loving transportation pods. They both introduced North Americans to an image that VW need not be your daughter's graduation convertible present either. Both the Corrado and 1st generation Passat helped VW get out of that teenager image they had with Herbie the Love Bug, Bumblebee the Transformer, VW Rabbit Cabriolet/Rabbit GTi/Golf Gti/Diesel and matured the brand to where adults other than pot smoking, peace loving, muscle car hatin' hippies could buy a mature automobile. The Corrado was a much more refined, more upscale slightly faster and more importanly, a more mature Scirocco. The 2nd generation Passat just cemented that idea where VW is not only mature, more upscale, but dare VW say premium? Premium and more upscale, European (German luxury) at lesser prices than an Audi, Mercedes and BMW... Because, the 2nd generation Passat really was THAT good of a car. It was Oldsmobile/Buick (for 1990s Olds and Buick images). It was Acura. It was Audi. (It literally WAS Audi as it was a stretched Audi A4...and THAT is when Audi took off as well...) It was a good looking sedan with great luxury features for a car priced the way it was. Which was high for VW but people accepted it and bought into it. So much so, that the VW CC was a very successful, sporty AND luxurious Passat a few generations after the mid 1990s... Where the Phaeton failed, the CC succeeded, only for VW to let it wither on the vine too long... The Phaeton just went too far upscale too fast. But in all honesty, VW at that point in time, really was on an upward swing.

Logically, the C8 will have a slightly higher base price than the C7 because every new generation Corvette always bumped up the base price. Another slight bump up would be because this C8 will be a departure from the norm. But on the flip side, GM/Chevrolet has been doing this since 1953. The Corvette has a built-in customer base since 1953 that expect a car in that familiar base price range. GM/Chevrolet will not deviate from that drastically. GM/Chevrolet big wigs have publicly said so that the C8 will NOT increase in price drastically as to not alienate their base price, meat and potatoes, customer base. The higher end ZR1 equivalent C8 will probably be at the highest level pricing of any Corvette to date. THIS is the Corvette probably to push not only performance levels to new heights, but price levels too. And THAT is OK...because EVERY Corvette since Corvettes started PUSHING the performance levels higher and higher ALSO had their price tags go higher and higher too... So I dont really get the phobia of the C8 being expensive. Base Corvettes were more or less "affordable". Higher end Pontiac and Oldsmobile levels of affordability. But the high end Corvettes were always out of reach for the MAJORITY of the American people at prices that were in the high end luxury vehicle prices such as Cadillacs and Lincolns back when Cadillacs and Lincolns WERE the ONLY luxury vehicles consdidered by the filthy rich... Rolls Royces were simply niche....MOST 1%ers of the time didnt even bother with Rolls Royces. Only the oldest of the old money, the stuffiest of the stuffiest bought Rolls Royces. And even then, these people had their Rolls Royces, but they also had their Cadillac or Lincolns too. Because, even though Rolls Royces WERE Rolls Royces, NOTHING said that you had money and made it in life more than a Cadillac. More to it than that, nothing put an exclamation mark more than arriving at a destination than arriving in a Cadillac. With that being said...after 66-67 years of Corvettes...the pricing formula has NEVER changed, and for the C8, GM and Chevrolet big wigs have confirmed that NOTHING will change in that regard either... This every man's sports car that is a Corvette is NOT only defined by its more or less affordable base price...but MAINLY because the Corvette sells BY THE THOUSANDS... THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY the Corvette is considered as the every day man's sports car. The pre-owned used Corvette that is 5-6-7-8-9-10 years old... Those Corvettes are DIRT CHEAP to buy as there are LITERATELY THOUSANDS of them to choose from. In alll kinds of conditions in all kinds of colours and options... And BECAUSE the AFTERMARKET PERFORMANCE support and community is SOOOOO HUGE for the Corvette, a Corvette that is LITERATELY 20 years old, it could EASILY KEEP UP with performance with EXOTICS that cost 3-4-5 times MORE and that are BRAND NEW!!!

Volvo's brand identity in the US is safety? Coming at a time when folk like Ralph Nader are making headlines? Would that be an accurate statement? I would think so. Volvo was a pioneer in safety. Volvo made a huge name for itself because of safety. Yes, their cars were dull also at a time when Detroit was selling style at a time when folk like Nader was voicing a loud...voice. At a time when the automobile was just starting to be seen as an evil entity...at a time when world politics was at fever pitch. This is when VW also started to become popular with a subset of Americans opposing world stage politics... Is THAT a fair assessment? Anyway... I would never buy a Volvo...but there are a couple of models in their history that I think are cool that do an excellent job of being...Swedish.

Corvettes were sold before there even was Lambos for sale...two decades before, almost... Corvettes, the high end Corvettes, were always priced as high as Cadillacs... Cadillacs, were always the highest priced vehicles on the road...of the mass produced variety...and not hand made...like Rolls Royces...and not limited produced...like I said...mass produced...up until the early 1970s... Yeah...I know...you said exotics. But that is what Rolls and Ferraris and Lambos are... A Corvette was never an exotic....its DOMESTIC... It dont matter, this was at a time when Ferraris sold 50 cars a year...or so... Corvettes were always about being mass produced. Corvettes sold by the thousands... Corvettes were never about exclusivity. THAT is what makes an exotic car, an exotic car. And it being a foreign car...you know...not American Domestic Market... But...Corvettes were just about as expensive as expensive could be for a DOMESTIC product... Corvettes were American exotics as like if a European or Middle Eastern buyer wanted to buy a Corvette, he would most definitely pay like he was buying a Ferrari to have his Corvette in his European or Middle Eastern country back in the day... Like I said...learn your automotive history and stop trying to weasel your nonsense with me...

I suggest you learn your automotive history...