Drew Dowdell

1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

That's not always the case though. The Dodge Charger was almost 4 inches longer than the Magnum while the Cadillac CTS Wagon is about an inch longer than the sedan. 

True, it’s rarely exact. But in the case of the Magnum, it was there first and the charger came later. The 300 the Magnum shares with at the time was within an inch.

FWIW, a wagon is the same length as a sedan, while a hatchback is shorter. The K4 5-door is a hatchback.

Yeah, it doesn't seem super space efficient.

First seen at the Shanghai Auto Show (see article: Polestar 4 - The New Breed of Electric SUV Coupe), Polestar brought the Polestar 4 to the New York International Auto Show for North Americans to see in person.

Polestar calls the Polestar 4 an "electric SUV 4-door coupe". Outside of that marketing speak, the Polestar 4 is a slightly lifted four-door hatchback about 190 inches in length, or roughly 2 inches shorter than a Toyota Camry.  Built without rear glass, the Polestar 4 makes use of a rear camera for visibility astern.

Polestar 4 features a plethora of standard content, including 20-inch 5 V-spoke black diamond cut alloy wheels, panoramic glass roof, adaptive cruise control, 360 parking camera with 3D view, energy saving heat pump, front-illuminated Polestar logo, e-latch doors, power-operated tailgate with soft close, Polestar digital key, wireless phone charging, and 8-way electrical driver seat and 6-way electrical passenger seat.

The fastest production car the brand has ever developed to date, Polestar 4 can accomplish a 0-60 mph sprint in 3.7 seconds and in top spec can produce 544 horsepower. Long-range single-motor variants have 272 horsepower and a targeted EPA range of over 300 miles. All long range variants have a 102 kWh battery capable of 200 kW charging on a DC Fast Charger and 11 kW on home level-2 charging.

Google built-in is ... built in and includes Google Assistant, Google Maps and Google Play. Polestar continues to offer a leading connected in-car experience. As with all other Polestar cars, regular over-the-air updates allow for new features and improvements to be sent remotely to all vehicles.

Pricing starts at $54,900, with orders opening in April for deliveries in the latter half of this year.

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2 hours ago, 67impss said:

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At the New York Auto Show this week, Hyundai unveiled the 2025 Hyundai Tuscon.  This mild refresh modernizes the Tuscon and brings it more into alignment with the rest of the Hyundai lineup, including their EVs.

The exterior styling updates, largely consisting of a front fascia update, are subtle. Inside, Hyundai made the interior more open and airy with a new, lower-height dashboard featuring a panoramic gauge and infotainment screen. The screens consist of twin 12.3-inch displays with crisper colors and graphics, as well as faster processing speeds.  While the screens can control all functions of the car, Hyundai still included physical buttons for the most frequently used controls.  Wireless Android Auto and Apple Carplay are now standard across the line.

A new steering wheel features a much more open design, and on premium trims, the gear selector is now an electronically controlled stalk on the right side of the wheel, much like in the Hyundai Ioniq 6. On some Tuscon models, a new 12-inch color heads-up display with premium graphics is available, and for the first time, navigation directions from Apple Carplay and Android Auto will appear in the display.

Proximity key with push button start is now standard across the 2025 Hyundai Tuscon lineup, while an available Digital Key 2 allows for fob-free driving and access via the driver's mobile phone.

For 2025, Tucson adds Forward Attention Warning, which utilizes an infrared camera mounted on the steering column to help track the driver’s eye gaze and monitor attention levels to help ensure safe driving. Available Smart Cruise Control 2 continually assesses driver alertness. If the driver is found to be unresponsive, the system can even help safely bring the vehicle to a stop, activating the hazard lights and the electronic parking brake once the vehicle is stopped. Additionally, rear outboard passenger seatbelts now feature standard pretensioners and load limiters.

The powertrains largely carry over from the previous model with a standard 187-horsepower 2.5-liter 4-cylinder at the entry level end. Also available is a 1.6-liter turbocharged hybrid with 231 horsepower with a slightly more powerful electric drive unit (47.7-kW, up from 44.2-kW), and a 6-speed automatic transmission. The plug-in hybrid model features the same 1.6-liter unit, but now paired with a larger electric drive unit with 72.0-kW of output rather than the 66.9-kW motor from the prior year. The plug-in hybrid boasts 268-horspower total system power. With a 13.4-kWh lithium-ion battery pack, the 2025 Hyundai Tucson plug-in hybrid takes less than 2 hours to charge on a level 2 charger.  All hybrid models come standard with all-wheel drive.

2025 Tucson 2.5L models will arrive at U.S. dealerships in June, while 1.6L turbo hybrid and plug-in hybrid models will be available late summer.

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20 hours ago, David said:

Decent upgrade to the aging 2024 model. Nice to see they are reducing costs of the curved screen in the EVs by pushing it out across the Hyundai Family and into Kia.

The one thing I do not like is all the Chrome. 🤢 🤮

Well, the chrome is the Limited trim.

Today at the New York International Auto Show, Hyundai unveiled an update to its little truck, the Hyundai Santa Cruz.

The refresh to the exterior is relatively mild, though it features a more menacing grille with bolder verticle lines.  Updated running lights and new wheel designs add to the fresher look.

Inside, there is a new steering wheel, infotainment system, and instrument panel. on upper trims, an optional panoramic curved display houses dual 12.3-inch displays for driver and entertainment.

The plenty-capable powertrains carry over with either a 191-horsepower direct injected 2.5-liter 4-cylinder or a turbo-charged version of of the same engine with 281 horsepower.  The transmission for the entry-level engine is a traditional 8-speed automatic, while the turbo-charged model gets an 8-speed dual-clutch transmission. Santa Cruzes with the turbo engine gain a new tow mode for enhanced towing control.  Both powertrains are towing capable with a 3,500 lb rating for the entry engine and a stout 5,000 lb rating for the turbo models when equipped with all-wheel drive.

New for 2025 is an XRT trim geared even more towards outdoor adventure. It features a trim-specific front fascia and grille, special 18-inch wheels with all-terrain tires, an increased approach angle, front tow hooks, and surround-view monitoring.   

The 2025 Hyundai Santa Cruz goes on sale this summer.

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This week, ahead of the New York International Auto Show, Genesis unveiled two concepts that strongly hint at the brand's future.

First, the Genesis Neolun Concept is likely a strong hint of what an upcoming Genesis GV90 three-row SUV will look like.  Neolun merges the Greek and Latin languages, with Neo being the word for "New" and Lun, short for "Luna" or "Moon".  The concept's design was inspired by Korea's iconic moon-shaped jars.  The shape is the familiar two-box design but with softly rounded corners and the elimination of "frills" that clutter.  Dipped in a handsome two-tone Midnight Black and Majestic Blue paint, the Neolun has a striking presence.

Sporting a forward-opening rear coach door design, the Genesis Neolun's doors open wide and unobstructed by a B-pillar.  Genesis says that B-pillarless development has reached a point where use in a production vehicle is now possible.

The interior of the Genesis Neolun concept is out there with the high-tech-futuristic-concept-car feel, but there are some hints of production queues hidden in there. The concept's screen is comically large, but with an aspect ratio similar to existing Genesis models, we can see a smaller version making it to production.  The center console's style is quite similar to that of the Genesis GV60.  The front seats can swivel 180 degrees to face the rear, a feature that we fear no US regulator would allow. In addition to the standard warming seats, the Neolun features a heated floor to give the warmth and atmosphere of a home living room.   The special sound system offers an immersive concert hall-like experience while a crystal jewel in the front activates and rotates. While the concept is shown as a two-row, the GV90 is expected to come as a three-row, though a premium two-row version could be possible.

Genesis has not released power figures or range for the Neolun. The GV90 will debut Hyundai Motor Group's next-generation EV platform that replaces the E-GMP platform that underpins the Kia EV9 and the forthcoming Hyundai Ioniq 9.  We should see the production Genesis GV90 later this year.

Genesis GV60 Magma Concept

Genesis is dipping its toes into the performance EV field with the introduction of the Genesis GV60 Magma Concept. The Magma line is intended to be added as a performance option to all production Genesis models in the lineup over the coming years.  The GV60 is Genesis's only dedicated EV, and shares its platform with the Hyundai Ioniq 5, itself offered as the performance Hyundai Ioniq 5 N model.

The GV60 Magma Concept elevates the design and performance of the existing GV60, Genesis’ first dedicated EV model, with improved battery and motor technology. The concept car is the first step toward creating a deeper emotional connection between the driver and the vehicle.

The GV60 Magma Concept’s exterior design harmonizes aesthetics with considerations for chassis, aerodynamics and thermodynamics. To enhance stability during sporty driving, the car has been widened and lowered, giving it a more dynamic stance and allowing for a lower center of gravity.

At the front, a wider and lower main air intake in the bumper effectively cools the batteries, motor and brakes, while the air curtains enhance the car’s aerodynamic efficiency. Three stamped holes above the main air intake, inspired by the GV80 Coupe Concept and the G80 Magma Special, provide additional cooling. Added canards assist in generating downforce on the front axle.

The enlarged fenders and integrated wheelhouse outlets help reduce kinetic energy and improve cooling for the brakes. The titanium-colored flow-formed 21-inch wheels feature integrated aero discs, which also help cool the brakes. On the roof, fins have been strategically placed to control the aerodynamic flow and channel it to the rear wing, generating rear downforce and ensuring aerodynamic fluidity.

Expect to see more Genesis Magma model information in the coming months.

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I'm grouping the next two AI prompts together since they ended up similar.  I think in this case, the AI nailed it with each one.

This prompt was for a 2025 Lincoln Town Car. I think it's pretty natural to expect an extended length updated Continental. 7 out of 10 (only because it's not that imaginative over the existing car)

I like what it did with the trunk and rear glass line here.  It gives great headroom to the rear occupants without doing the formal upright style of the old Town Car. I'm betting that the trunk would need to open in two pieces like the Audi A7. 8 out of 10.

Now THIS is a 2025 Town Car Limo. That would look absolutely badass pulling up to the Oscars in. I could see some highly esteemed actresses stepping out onto the red carpet. 11 out of 10.

The next prompt was for a 2025 Lincoln Mark 9, and again, I think the AI got it right.l  I like that it kept most of the size of the Continental.  The Mark 9 was always a personal luxury coupe and never meant to be a sports car.

This looks like it would come straight from Lincoln design. I bet the rear quarter doors are suicide style too. 10/10

I like this evolution on the grille.  It's a bit of the current grille with a bit of throwback to the split grille of 15 years ago. 10/10

This is a bit too big for a coupe, and I'm not thrilled with that grille, but it could be massaged into something workable. 7 out of 10.

19 hours ago, David said:

Calling all Auto Fans

Any Idea the year? I am pretty sure this is a Toronado, but not sure of the year. My coworker who knows I am into auto's took the picture of his neighbors dad’s 0 or  81car in their barn and sent it to me.

80 or 81 I can’t see the grille clear enough

I gotta say, the headlight treatment looks very Cadillac.

Next up, an AI 2025 Buick Riviera.  What's funny about this is that I used two different AI tools, but with the exception of the retro example, both Davinchi and CoPilot seem to agree pretty closely on what the front end should look like.

This looks Alpha platform based, but on the larger CTS/CT5 wheelbase. This feels more appropriate than the Alpha-based Toronado above.  Aside from the absurd concept-car wheels, I could see something like this being produced. I have mix feelings about the trunk, but if it was modded into the pointed shape from the 60s, I could see it.  8 out of 10.

Another coupe with a half door.  Could AI be telling us how we'll get coupes back in an EV age? It did get the sweep spear in. 8 out of 10

Cartoonish. This is the first CoPilot generated image. But there's something about the grille and lights that speaks to me. 6 out of 10.

Another very cartoonish one from CoPilot, but all the right elements are there, 7 out of 10.

Ahead of the 2024 New York Auto Show, Kia has released preview images of its new Kia K4 compact sedan, destined to take the place of the Kia Forte in the lineup. 

The all-new Kia K4 represents Kia's "Opposites United" design philosophy to bring conflicting design elements into harmony in unexpected ways. A new take on Kia's Tiger Grille moves the brand forward with a wide stance, capped with vertical headlamps to finish the edges. The silhouette sweeps back in a fastback design with an assertive look.

Inside, Kia eschews the current common practice of a driver-oriented cockpit, instead offering access to both front occupants to infotainment controls, but offering a distinct visual split to define the spaces of driver and passenger. Rather than only the typical gray or black in this class, Kia is also offering Slate Green and Canyon Brown, allowing customers more choice in interior appointments.

The Kia K4 will have a full unveiling on Wednesday, March 27th at the Javits Center in New York City.

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16 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The 2025 Infiniti QX80 starts at $82,450, an $8,300 increase over the previous model and arrives at dealers this summer.  For those wanting the ultimate in Infiniti luxury, the new Autograph trim starts at $110,595, a $22,145 increase over the previous top Sensory trim. 

24 minutes ago, David said:

Pic 2 looks off to me, pic 3 is a red WTF mess to me. The rest I love. Please point me to this AI generator as I would love to play with it. I also think AI generated auto's should be it's own thread. This is Great!!! 

It’s got a subscription fee that I’m not willing to pay at this time, but I may in the future. I’m in free trial mode.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/davinci-ai-image-generator/id1630366866?ppid=0eef3854-70e3-4415-9a5f-5f6cda079a41

Ahead of the New York International Auto Show next week, Infiniti has unveiled the next iteration of their full-size luxury SUV, the 2025 Infiniti QX80.  This all-new SUV coddles occupants with bespoke experience no matter where in the vehicle they are seated.

The interior of the QX80 is inspired by the Japanese principle of miyabi, referencing the use of layers, soft materials and flowing integration with the in-vehicle technology. Leather, suede, wood, and metal flow seamlessly with the touch screens. On the dash are two 14.3-inch displays. One for the driver and one for the infotainment system.  The gauges are configurable into three main views, Classic, Elegant, and Enhanced, operated by a dial on the right of the steering wheel. The center Infiniti InTouch display operates the infotainment system with a tablet-like interface and gestures. Buyers can also opt for a color heads-up display for the driver.  Google built-in is incorporated to allow for natural-language requests and access to the Google Play store.   An additional 9-inch haptic touchscreen below the infotainment display handles climate functions and vehicle drive modes. Push buttons are used to select the transmission mode.

Every row of the QX80 offers first-class comfort. As a segment-exclusive, the third row has available heated seats, and the first two rows are available with heated and cooled seats. Additionally, the front four seating positions all have a massaging seat option available. Second-row passengers can experience Infiniti's new, optional, Biometric Cooling. An infrared sensor in the headliner is able to detect when a passenger is too warm and instantly adjusts temperature and airflow automatically. Infiniti says this system can get passengers to a comfortable temperature in 50% less time.

The 2025 QX80 features two new Klipsch audio systems. The Pure and Luxe trims receive a 600 watt / 14-speaker system, while the Sensory and Autograph trims take audio performance to the next level with a Klipsch Reference Premiere Audio System featuring 1,200 watts of power through 24 speakers providing Individual Audio functionality. Setting the system apart are titanium tweeters, four roof-mounted speakers, and 8-inch subwoofer, and a 24-channel amplifier.

Individual Audio allows the system to direct certain audio elements, such as navigation, music, or phone calls, to one or both front seats. Metal trimmed speakers integrated into the headrests allow the front passenger to continue to listen to music while the driver takes a phone call, or allows both front occupants to listen to music without disturbing rear passengers.

Infiniti has made the interior roomier, with cargo space behind the second-row up 18% and behind the third-row up 30% over the outgoing model. First and second row passengers will enjoy increased knee and foot room, while the third row receives increases in nearly all dimensions.

QX80 Autograph

At the top of the lineup is the QX80 Autograph. Distinguished by a two-tone roof, dark chrome trim, and 22-inch Layered Turbine wheels, the QX80 Autograph exudes craftsmanship.  Autograph models feature unique semi-aniline leather with dot-quilting, open-pore ash wood trim with ultra-thing aluminum accents within. Second-row passengers can control the rear climate with an additional touchscreen mounted at the rear of the center console.

Powering all trims of 2025 QX80 is a 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V6 rated for 450 horsepower and 516 lb-ft of torque, an increase of 50 horsepower and 103 lb-ft over the outgoing model. Power is routed to the rear or all wheels via an updated 9-speed automatic with a 40% wider gear ratio for better off-the-line performance while still maintaining highway cruising efficiency.  Available electronic air suspension and dynamic digital suspension can raise and lower the vehicle to meet various needs.  At speed, the system will lower by 1.2 inches for better aerodynamics. When parked, it will lower 2.8 inches to ease ingress and egress. If the road gets rough or deep, the air suspension can raise the ride height 2.8 inches over normal.

The QX80 features two levels of advanced driver assistance. ProPILOT Assist 1.1¹⁵ is standard and combines Intelligent Cruise Control with steering assistance to help the driver stay centered in their lane. The system also uses data from the navigation system to proactively adjust vehicle speed for curves, interchanges, and other driving situations.

Optional on Luxe and Sensory and standard on Autograph, ProPilot Assist 2.1 elevates the experience by allowing attentive drivers to take their hands off the wheel in certain freeway driving scenarios.to adjust vehicle speed for curves proactively

The 2025 Infiniti QX80 starts at $82,450, an $8,300 increase over the previous model and arrives at dealers this summer.  For those wanting the ultimate in Infiniti luxury, the new Autograph trim starts at $110,595, a $22,145 increase over the previous top Sensory trim. 

The trims features:

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So, one thing to keep in mind about the Mach-E is that it doesn't adjust charge speed based on state of charge, but rather how long it's been plugged in.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

So how did this get off the finalist list? 400v vs 800v?

400v is last gen technology, and given how long he keeps his vehicles, he needs to aim for the latest stuff. 800v has an easier time fast charging.

AI Carspotting.

I was playing around in Davinci, an AI graphics generator.  I have a bunch of cars that I had it make. Most were duds, but some came out hawt!  I'll post them here over the next few days and see how you like them.  I'm debating if I should make this its own thread or not.  Let me know what you think.

First up, what AI thinks a 2025 Oldsmobile Toronado would look like.

I'm digging the shooting brake style with the long hood. Also props on the new logo. 9 out of 10.

Another shooting brake style that looks like it came from the GM design department. I can see this being platform shared with a Cadillac based on the lighting and grille details. 7 out of 10.

Not sure what's going on here, but it must be an EV with the cab being that far forward.  I do like the grill opening though. 4 out of 10.

Probably too retro for the general public, but proof to Tesla that you don't have to be boring to be aero. 8 out of 10.

This looks like it would be Alpha platform based, shared with the Camaro, and thus likely too small for my tastes in a personal luxury coupe. The grille is "intriguing" though. 7 out of 10.

A rear half door! But unfortunately, the proportions are wrong and that grills says Riviera rather than Toronado. Still, if it brought Olds and the Toronado back, I'd buy it. 7 out of 10.

10 out of 10. No notes.

Which ones do you like?  I'll have more tomorrow.

6 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Looks like a Cupra.   Spin-off brand of SEAT...yet another VWAG brand. 

Yup! Cupra is to SEAT as Polestar is to Volvo.  It started as a performance trim and became its own brand for reasons that only an overpaid brand consultant can explain.

40 minutes ago, David said:

Got my email on this, this morning, very cool.

 

You have a Rivian?

Yesterday, Rivian announced that drivers of Rivian R1T and R1S vehicles are now able to charge at most Tesla Supercharger locations.  Like Ford EV drivers, Rivian owners will receive a free NACS to CCS adapter. The Supercharger network has been integrated into Rivian's navigation and charging app, enabling "plug-and-charge" simplicity without needing to pull up an app.  Billing for charge sessions at Tesla supercharger stations is handled automatically through the Rivian network.

Starting in 2025 with the Rivian R1S and R1T, Rivian vehicles will adopt the NACS charge port, enabling drivers of those vehicles native access to the Supercharger network and other NACS chargers without an adapter. The Rivian R2 and Rivian R3 will be equipped with the NACS port from the start of production.

Rivian announced in June, 2023 that they would adopt the NACS adapter and enable Tesla Supercharging access. They are the second automaker to do so, following Ford enabling Supercharger access earlier this month.

Rivian has also been busy building its own Rivian Adventure Network, a series of charging stations focused on more remote locations where Rivian drivers might access like national parks.  Currently, the Rivian Adventure Network is limited to Rivian drivers, but later this year Rivian will be opening access to all electric vehicles.

The Rivian NACS to CCS adapters begin shipping in April. In the meantime, Rivian drivers might borrow a Ford NACS to CCS adapter from a friend.

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2 minutes ago, David said:

I can understand this, but then this is part of my daily life. With two kids with their own families and grandkids it is not uncommon for us to be out and about for the day, come home for a bit before heading out to help with the grandkids and their afterschool activities. Plus, with family that is living from both sides north and south of us, it would not be uncommon to drive 75 miles down south to deal with my wife's side of the family, see the nieces/nephews and then up north to my side to see folks and with both our parents in senior years with health issues, also moving back in forth. Course this is why Sun puts on about 15,000 miles a year on the SS.

We all have different use cases.

Those use cases will necessitate the purchase of something with a long range, like 300+. But even still, two hours at 11.5kW would put 50 - 70 miles of range back in the car. You might need to make one 10-minute DCFC stop if you had a really busy day, but otherwise, you could make it.

5 hours ago, David said:

@ccap41 @Drew Dowdell Thank you both, this is the kind of dialogue I feel the Auto buyers need to be made aware of and the various use cases in understanding as I feel most DO NOT really understand this and give into the FEAR Mongering of News Stories.

While I still feel that everyone should have the same charging rate capabilities, I also understand both your points.

I do feel that this will change electrical across the WORLD over time due to the need of charging.

I could see settling on three charger rates, but definitely not one. A Bolt or Kia EV4 type vehicle simply does not need 19kW home charging.  It would be an excessive cost to retrofit a house and the number of buyers who actually use that rate would be pretty close to zero.  That would be like insisting that the Corolla has to have a 6.2 liter. It's excessive and doesn't fit the use case.

Now, if we settled into 7.5kW, 11.5kW, and 19.4kW as a standard, that would probably achieve what you are proposing while still giving cost flexibility.  It would allow for entry-level EVs to get the lower cost / lower speed charger while allowing the larger vehicles or premium vehicles to have faster home charging.  For example, the EV6 could have a lower cost 7.5kW charger while the Genesis GV60 on the same platform could get the 11.5kW charger because it is a premium brand and higher cost vehicle.  Then any large EV with or near a 200kW battery could have the 19.4kW charger, but even then, unless it is a newly built house or a commercial fleet, it will still probably charge only at 11.5kW, as that's about the max that the vast majority of homes are wired to do.  Unless you're driving an EV with a 200kW battery to 10% every day, an 11.5kW charger can "fill" an EV to 80% overnight with room to spare, so most people (including me), won't want the extra expense of spending extra money just to say my EV charged faster while I slept.  Either way, it will be ready for me when I need to leave at 7 am.

1 hour ago, David said:

Yes I get all that you said and most EVs have it set for 80 to 90% charging level unless your on a road trip and at a DC then you can choose to go 100%.

Point I am making is that if all levels of ICE fuel at the same rate, why not have this for all EVs. Yes charging overnight would not be an issue, but if you had been out and about and did not charge the night before and got home with only 10% left and needed to go out in a few hours, having a fast L2 charger (19.2kW) versus the Bolt (7.2kW) levl 2 charger would get you juice into the battery pack fast so you can run out later.

I also have to believe that if an OEM standardized on a top charging controller economy of scale would push down the cost and their whole product portfolio would benefit with all EVs having the maximum capable charging speed.

Most houses aren't capable of 19.2kW charging anyway, and I'm not convinced it is necessary. @ccap41 kinda just proved it. He said that 70 miles of driving is more than their typical norm.  Charging overnight at 1.2kW still got them back half of that overnight.  As long as ccapp41 and his wife are diligent, they could probably continue on L1 charging indefinitely for around-town driving.  Even the slowest of L2 chargers would be more than sufficient with nightly charging.  This inexpensive L2 EV charger with 7.6 kW for $199 at Amazon would take the EQE from 10% to full in about 10 hours.

I know that as car fans we always want the most power all the time, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. 7.6 kW is more than enough for average use since you'll only be charging to 80% daily anyway. The only time 19.2kW is really needed is if you're running a Lightning or Silverado EV , or something with a 200kW battery, in contractor duty, and draining the battery fully every day.  When I get the Silverado EV, I'll probably get the Tesla Universal Wall Connector, which only does 11.5kW but will have both connectors built in.  But since I don't drive long distances daily anymore, it won't be a big deal that it has a lower power output.  The advantage for me is that if the EValanche is CCS and the R2 or Prologue is NACS, I'll have both adapters built in.  Albert only drives about 20 miles round trip per day, so he can get away with charging once or twice a week and can even L1 charge if need be.

Even at just a 48 amp circuit, I may have to figure out some things with my other appliances because even though I have 200 amp service, we'd be uncomfortably close to the max.