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    Detroit 2016 Preview: 2017 Mercedes Benz E-Class

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    Mercedes Benz will be doing the full reveal of the 2017 Mercedes Benz E-Class on Monday, January 11th, however images of the car slipped out ahead of time. The exterior design of the new E-Class won't shock anyone as it now looks like a larger C-Class or smaller S-Class. The current E-Class is one of the oldest sedans in Mercedes' line-up and this move brings it up to date with the rest of the family look.

     

    Primary motive power is expected to come from a 2.0 liter turbo 4-cylinder and a twin-turbo V6. Alternative fuel minded customer will again have a diesel option this time with an all new 2.0 liter diesel while a plug-in hybrid will also join the line. AMG models are expected to produce around 600 horsepower. The transmission will be a standard issue Mercedes 9-speed and the 4Matic all-wheel drive system should be available on most variants. Fuel economy is rumored to be increased by up to 20% on certain models due to improved aerodynamics and 150 lb weight loss.

     

    A new autonomous drive system called Drive Pilot (Not DriveMatic Mercedes? I need that German consistency! - DD) will be available that will maintain lane position and speeds up to 60 mph without lane markings, and 120 mph with them. The driver will need to touch a sensor on the steering wheel every 2 minutes or so to keep the system active.

     

    Inside, the E-Class will have a posh new interior, again straddling the space and design features of the C-Class and S-Class.

     

    The 2017 E-Class will be officially revealed at 9:35 am eastern time on January 11th 2016.

     

    We'll have more for you as we get closer to the live reveal. You can follow this and all of the 2016 Detroit Auto Show stories on our North American International Auto Show page

     

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    It looks like an E-class.  I like that the headlights have 2 light bars and 2 LED squares or whatever they are since the E-class used to have the dual headlight set up, it pays tribute to that.  I wish it looked a little more different than the C and S though, maybe use wider rear tail lights or something.  A+ interior.

     

    I am more curious for the engines because I want the inline six.  The turbo 4 in the C300 will be slow in this car, but CAFE will probably force it in.  The 255 hp diesel six would be nice, but the VW diesel scandal will probably kill that.  

     

    .23 drag coefficient for this car, which is remarkable.  

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     The rear is lifted from the 2005 s-class. It's already tired; so tired it's boring. MB needs new designers / anything new.

     

     

    I was thinking the same thing. Nothing about this car looks extraordinary. People try tog give Caddy a hard time about the Alphas and Omega looking similar. Benz officially has a Small, Medium and Large thing going on with the C, E, and S Class. I won;t even get into the failed attempt by the CLA to steal from the CLS... 

     

    Bottom line.. I keep askin myself.. HOW THE EFF IS THIS A BRAND TO ASPIRE TO?

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    The tail lights are actually closer to an 08 C-class, aside from the current cars.  I'd rather have seen them flip the tail light, make it more narrow at the top and wider at the bottom.  Or make it more of a rectangle.  I think the back end looks good as it is, but it also looks like the other 2 sedans.

     

    And to Drew's point they seem to be dragging their feet on the I-6, which makes no sense when it would share parts with the I-4 and have cost savings.  The 3.0 turbo V6 is derived from the 3.5 V6, which dates back to 2010.  

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    nothing here to make one moist.

     

    at the same time, nothing changes enough to shock the customer base.

     

    The dash is dumpy looking.  They could have done better there.

     

    agree, on the exterior, we've seen that look before.  The CD is impressive.

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    YAWN, Talk about a boring car on the outside. The rear is a dated rear as already mentioned and lets talk about the REDNECK lower front bumper with the Big Mouth Billy Bass openings on each side. How is this a luxury auto to aspire to when you have a bland un-motivational look.

     

    I will grant them that the interior dash is nice, much better than the floating nav crap we have seen. Inside I like much nicer than past interiors but just equalling what everyone else is doing now.

     

    Hate to say this but this E-Class reminds me of Cadillac peak just before Fake Leather and rebadging hit it's stride at GM. I wonder just how cheap MB will go next with this product.

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    This is another example of why I've liked MB for awhile now. They do their non-AMG cars with very subtle-ness and high class. Not flashy or offensive in any way, just classy and simple. 

     

    I dig it. I'd drive something like this every day. I'd definitely have to have the largest boosted engine though. I'd want it to seem sleeper-ish while holstering 400ish hp. 

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    A well optioned C400 is more my style.

     

     

    A CTS-VSport.. no.. CTS-V is more mine

     

    Aren't those different classes of cars? Smaller vs mid size(or something like that).  Couldn't a C400 be more comparable to..nothing Caddy has - yet. 

     

    What could Cadillac throw in the ATS to make a V-Sport? Or is the 335hp in the ATS comparable? Honestly, I don't know. That's why I'm asking. 

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    YAWN, Talk about a boring car on the outside. The rear is a dated rear as already mentioned and lets talk about the REDNECK lower front bumper with the Big Mouth Billy Bass openings on each side. How is this a luxury auto to aspire to when you have a bland un-motivational look.

     

    I will grant them that the interior dash is nice, much better than the floating nav crap we have seen. Inside I like much nicer than past interiors but just equalling what everyone else is doing now.

     

    Hate to say this but this E-Class reminds me of Cadillac peak just before Fake Leather and rebadging hit it's stride at GM. I wonder just how cheap MB will go next with this product.

    Aren't most truly luxury items relatively bland and subtle for the price you pay for them? 

     

    What about this is cheap in your eyes? The styling? Or have you sat in and gotten a chance to fiddle with the pieces that you actually feel? I guess I'm just confused how it can be cheap *at this stage of the game*. 

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    They do their non-AMG cars with very subtle-ness and high class. Not flashy or offensive in any way, just classy and simple. 

    Allow me to ask for clarification on the above quoted portion.

     

    If the '16 e-class fits these superlatives, in your opinion is this random '16 model below, any different or lesser so?

     

    2016-Chevrolet-CRUZE-RS-Premier-141.jpg

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    They do their non-AMG cars with very subtle-ness and high class. Not flashy or offensive in any way, just classy and simple. 

    Allow me to ask for clarification on the above quoted portion.

     

    If the '16 e-class fits these superlatives, in your opinion is this random '16 model below, any different or lesser so?

     

    2016-Chevrolet-CRUZE-RS-Premier-141.jpg

     

     

    The hard angles and lines around the grill appear more aggressive, to me.  Also, chrome around the fog lights, and grill are asking for attention. The body lines on the MB are much softer and "rounder". Whereas the above are more straight lines coming to sharper points and less bends. Neither is right or wrong, but in my opinions I find the MB to be classier looking and more subtle with the body lines, less chrome, less angles, and even the head lights are much more aggressive on the above car(which I think looks sharp BTW).

     

    To me, the best way to "clean up" the above car is just to ditch the tacky chrome around the fog lights and lower grill. I think that would make a huuuuge difference on that car. Make it body color or black.. but I think body color would look best. 

     

    Also, in all fairness, I cannot tell from the pictures if the MB has chrome in the grill or if that is brushed/matte. It looks matte or brushed but, if I'm being honesty, it's difficult to tell. 

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    YAWN, Talk about a boring car on the outside. The rear is a dated rear as already mentioned and lets talk about the REDNECK lower front bumper with the Big Mouth Billy Bass openings on each side. How is this a luxury auto to aspire to when you have a bland un-motivational look.

     

    I will grant them that the interior dash is nice, much better than the floating nav crap we have seen. Inside I like much nicer than past interiors but just equalling what everyone else is doing now.

     

    Hate to say this but this E-Class reminds me of Cadillac peak just before Fake Leather and rebadging hit it's stride at GM. I wonder just how cheap MB will go next with this product.

    Aren't most truly luxury items relatively bland and subtle for the price you pay for them? 

     

    What about this is cheap in your eyes? The styling? Or have you sat in and gotten a chance to fiddle with the pieces that you actually feel? I guess I'm just confused how it can be cheap *at this stage of the game*. 

     

     

    The point I am making is that Cadillac hit their ultimate stride of top quality materials and then they started to cheapen things up internally and externally. I am seeing MB do this as they expand their product line and once you grow too a certain point it seems executives then look for ways to cheapen up the auto to increase profits. The models they had at the Seattle Auto Show in Nov 2015 made me shake my head, as much as they did things right they also clearly went cheap in other areas.

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    YAWN, Talk about a boring car on the outside. The rear is a dated rear as already mentioned and lets talk about the REDNECK lower front bumper with the Big Mouth Billy Bass openings on each side. How is this a luxury auto to aspire to when you have a bland un-motivational look.

     

    I will grant them that the interior dash is nice, much better than the floating nav crap we have seen. Inside I like much nicer than past interiors but just equalling what everyone else is doing now.

     

    Hate to say this but this E-Class reminds me of Cadillac peak just before Fake Leather and rebadging hit it's stride at GM. I wonder just how cheap MB will go next with this product.

    Aren't most truly luxury items relatively bland and subtle for the price you pay for them? 

     

    What about this is cheap in your eyes? The styling? Or have you sat in and gotten a chance to fiddle with the pieces that you actually feel? I guess I'm just confused how it can be cheap *at this stage of the game*. 

     

     

    The point I am making is that Cadillac hit their ultimate stride of top quality materials and then they started to cheapen things up internally and externally. I am seeing MB do this as they expand their product line and once you grow too a certain point it seems executives then look for ways to cheapen up the auto to increase profits. The models they had at the Seattle Auto Show in Nov 2015 made me shake my head, as much as they did things right they also clearly went cheap in other areas.

     

    Alright, I understand what you're talking about with the cheapening. I cannot agree nor disagree as I haven't been in one in person(any of the new gen E-Classes). 

     

    What about the "bland un-motivational look" part? (not trying to be a prick and start and argument, I'm genuinely curious about your opinion on that aspect of the car.)

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    The S-class has a .23 CD, so apparently this is an aerodynamic shape. I imagine the AMG sport package will liven it up a bit, but the E-class was never a flashy looking car.

    I think this car looks better than the current car and the interior is light years ahead. The W212 interior I think is boring, it is well made, but not interesting.

    This car is definitely not cheap when you look at all the color and trim choices, aluminum switches, the auto pilot features, self parking, the optional 1,350 watt stereo, etc.

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    A well optioned C400 is more my style.

     

     

    A CTS-VSport.. no.. CTS-V is more mine

     

    Aren't those different classes of cars? Smaller vs mid size(or something like that).  Couldn't a C400 be more comparable to..nothing Caddy has - yet. 

     

    What could Cadillac throw in the ATS to make a V-Sport? Or is the 335hp in the ATS comparable? Honestly, I don't know. That's why I'm asking. 

     

     

     

    Yup.. He did say "C." I was somehow still thinking we were in "E" segment.. my bad. Then I should have said ATS 3.6L or ATS-V... 

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    A well optioned C400 is more my style.

     

     

    A CTS-VSport.. no.. CTS-V is more mine

     

    Aren't those different classes of cars? Smaller vs mid size(or something like that).  Couldn't a C400 be more comparable to..nothing Caddy has - yet. 

     

    What could Cadillac throw in the ATS to make a V-Sport? Or is the 335hp in the ATS comparable? Honestly, I don't know. That's why I'm asking. 

     

     

     

    Yup.. He did say "C." I was somehow still thinking we were in "E" segment.. my bad. Then I should have said ATS 3.6L or ATS-V... 

     

    Ahhh gotcha gotcha.. Understandable, as this is about the E Class.  That ATS-V that you looked at a little while back that was a matte pearl white.. I'd do naughty things for that car. 

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    The S-class has a .23 CD, so apparently this is an aerodynamic shape. I imagine the AMG sport package will liven it up a bit, but the E-class was never a flashy looking car.

    I think this car looks better than the current car and the interior is light years ahead. The W212 interior I think is boring, it is well made, but not interesting.

    This car is definitely not cheap when you look at all the color and trim choices, aluminum switches, the auto pilot features, self parking, the optional 1,350 watt stereo, etc.

    Choices does not make a car's built and feel quality higher. 

     

    Extreme example: You could offer a million colors of interiors and exterior colors(even materials) on a Geo Metro, but that doesn't make it a car that is built any better than the $h!bucket that it is. Unless, when you say "not cheap" you're referring to the purchase price in which you are spot on. A Mercedes E Class is not a cheap car to purchase. 

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    YAWN, Talk about a boring car on the outside. The rear is a dated rear as already mentioned and lets talk about the REDNECK lower front bumper with the Big Mouth Billy Bass openings on each side. How is this a luxury auto to aspire to when you have a bland un-motivational look.

     

    I will grant them that the interior dash is nice, much better than the floating nav crap we have seen. Inside I like much nicer than past interiors but just equalling what everyone else is doing now.

     

    Hate to say this but this E-Class reminds me of Cadillac peak just before Fake Leather and rebadging hit it's stride at GM. I wonder just how cheap MB will go next with this product.

    Aren't most truly luxury items relatively bland and subtle for the price you pay for them? 

     

    What about this is cheap in your eyes? The styling? Or have you sat in and gotten a chance to fiddle with the pieces that you actually feel? I guess I'm just confused how it can be cheap *at this stage of the game*. 

     

     

    The point I am making is that Cadillac hit their ultimate stride of top quality materials and then they started to cheapen things up internally and externally. I am seeing MB do this as they expand their product line and once you grow too a certain point it seems executives then look for ways to cheapen up the auto to increase profits. The models they had at the Seattle Auto Show in Nov 2015 made me shake my head, as much as they did things right they also clearly went cheap in other areas.

     

    Alright, I understand what you're talking about with the cheapening. I cannot agree nor disagree as I haven't been in one in person(any of the new gen E-Classes). 

     

    What about the "bland un-motivational look" part? (not trying to be a prick and start and argument, I'm genuinely curious about your opinion on that aspect of the car.)

     

     

    The bland un-motivational look is just that, many have pointed out the dated look of the tail lights, over all body shape and the big mouth billy bass front end. If you are to be the luxury leader that is elegant and understated but stands out, then you need to be that and not just a knock off of your older S series or other more generic jelly bean shapes. MB and BMW both have gotten very bland in their design language. Nothing inspirational here.

    The S-class has a .23 CD, so apparently this is an aerodynamic shape. I imagine the AMG sport package will liven it up a bit, but the E-class was never a flashy looking car.

    I think this car looks better than the current car and the interior is light years ahead. The W212 interior I think is boring, it is well made, but not interesting.

    This car is definitely not cheap when you look at all the color and trim choices, aluminum switches, the auto pilot features, self parking, the optional 1,350 watt stereo, etc.

     

    Maybe if you start with the flow on top of the windshield and flow over the super raked windshield you get .23 CD. But looking at that blunt nose, there is no way this auto is a .23 CD.

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      Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC with the functions: braking for stationary vehicles, extended automatic restarting in traffic jams in conjunction with Active Parking Assist and navigation, activation of "Gliding" in the ECO drive mode, Active Steering Assist with the functions: Active Emergency Braking Assist – with automatic unlocking and placement of an SOS call to the Mercedes-Benz emergency call center after the vehicle has come to a stop (depending on country) Active Lane Change Assist in conjunction with navigation, Emergency lane function: in freeway traffic jams at speeds below approx. 37 mph. Active Speed Limit Assist with reaction to changes in speed limits in conjunction with Traffic Sign Assist, Route-based speed adjustment when approaching bends, roundabouts, toll stations, T-junctions and before leaving highways – reduction of vehicle speed when encountering the end of a traffic jam, in conjunction with navigation, Evasive Steering Assist, Active Lane Keeping Assist, Active Blind Spot Assist, Active Brake Assist with cross-traffic function, PRE-SAFE PLUS: can detect a potential rear impact. If the danger of a collision persists, the system can also firmly apply the brakes of the stationary vehicle, minimizing the risk of whiplash injuries by reducing the forward jolt caused by an impact from the rear. The interior of the GLA is quite similar to the A-Class sedan. Mercedes MBUX is there and can be activated by voice simply by saying "Hey Mercedes". 
      AMG 35
      The GLA AMG 35 gets an AMG tuned suspension, including an optional ride control system that allows the driver to select between three different drive modes.  A high performance braking system with 13.8 inch disks up front and 13.0 inch disks in the rear is included. There is a speed-sensitive variable ratio steering that changes the amount of assistance offered at different speeds. The AMG also gets a special exhaust system with a gas flap to change the sound dynamics of the car depending on mode, engine speed, and engine load. 
      The exterior of the AMG GLA 35 gets a different front fascia from the regular GLA 250, fitting in with the rest of the AMG lineup. 
      The GLA 250 goes on sale Summer of 2020 with the AMG following after that.
       
       
      New GLA
      Predecessor
      Diff.
      Exterior dimensions
      Length
      in
      173.6
      174.2
      -0.6
      Width
      in
      72.2
      71.0
      +1.2
      Width incl. exterior mirrors
      in
      79.5
      79.6
      -0.1
      Height
      in
      63.4
      59.3
      +4.1
      Wheelbase
      in
      107.4
      106.3
      +1.1
      Track, front
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Track, rear
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Interior dimensions*
      Max. front headroom
      in
      40.8
      40.0
      +0.8
      Headroom, rear
      in
      38.1
      38.4
      -0.3
      Legroom, front
      in
      41.1
      41.9
      -0.8
      Legroom, rear
      in
      38.4
      33.9
      +4.5
      Elbow room, front
      in
      57.3
      56.0
      +1.3
      Elbow room, rear
      in
      57.3
      55.5
      +1.8
      Shoulder room, front
      in
      55.9
      54.8
      +1.1
      Shoulder room, rear
      in
      54.8
      53.1
      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5

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    • By Drew Dowdell
      Mercedes-Benz went the unconventional route and debuted their new GLA SUV completely online this morning. The new GLA comes on a new platform and changes up the dimensions a bit to improve interior space.  Overall length is down 0.6 inches, but height has increased 4.1 inches, and wheelbase is up 1.1 inches while width is up 1.2 inches. This translates to some minor improvements in most, but not all, interior dimensions.  (Dimensions chart on Page 2)
      The GLA initially will come in three forms, the GLA 250, GLA 250 4Matic, and AMG GLA 35.  The 250 and 250 4matic some with the same powertrain, a 2.0-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder producing 221 horsepower at 5,500 RPM and 258 lb-ft of torque at 1,620 - 4,000 RPM.  Power is sent to the wheels via an 8-speed DCT.
      The AMG GLA 35 comes with a 2.0-liter 4-cylinder with 302 horsepower at 5,800 RPM and 295 lb-ft of torque at 3,000 - 4,000 RPM. And uses a modified version of the 8-speed DCT. Zero to 60 is estimated at 5.0 seconds.
      GLA 250 models equipped with 4Matic come with an Off-Road Engineering Package as standard.  It is an extra drive mode that adapts the characteristics of the 4Matic system and changes power delivery and ABS intervention.  The gauge cluster will present an animation of gradient, inclination angle, and technical settings to help the driver through the situation. 
      4Matic has been updated from being hydraulically activated to electro-mechanically activated.  In normal mode, the system splits torque 80:20 front:rear.  Sport mode changes that ratio to 70:30, while off-road mode moves it to 50:50. Being electro-mechanically operated allows the 4Matic system to be more efficient by not having to drive hydraulic pumps. 
      The GLA 250 is available with a host of driver assistance packages. They include:
      Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC with the functions: braking for stationary vehicles, extended automatic restarting in traffic jams in conjunction with Active Parking Assist and navigation, activation of "Gliding" in the ECO drive mode, Active Steering Assist with the functions: Active Emergency Braking Assist – with automatic unlocking and placement of an SOS call to the Mercedes-Benz emergency call center after the vehicle has come to a stop (depending on country) Active Lane Change Assist in conjunction with navigation, Emergency lane function: in freeway traffic jams at speeds below approx. 37 mph. Active Speed Limit Assist with reaction to changes in speed limits in conjunction with Traffic Sign Assist, Route-based speed adjustment when approaching bends, roundabouts, toll stations, T-junctions and before leaving highways – reduction of vehicle speed when encountering the end of a traffic jam, in conjunction with navigation, Evasive Steering Assist, Active Lane Keeping Assist, Active Blind Spot Assist, Active Brake Assist with cross-traffic function, PRE-SAFE PLUS: can detect a potential rear impact. If the danger of a collision persists, the system can also firmly apply the brakes of the stationary vehicle, minimizing the risk of whiplash injuries by reducing the forward jolt caused by an impact from the rear. The interior of the GLA is quite similar to the A-Class sedan. Mercedes MBUX is there and can be activated by voice simply by saying "Hey Mercedes". 
      AMG 35
      The GLA AMG 35 gets an AMG tuned suspension, including an optional ride control system that allows the driver to select between three different drive modes.  A high performance braking system with 13.8 inch disks up front and 13.0 inch disks in the rear is included. There is a speed-sensitive variable ratio steering that changes the amount of assistance offered at different speeds. The AMG also gets a special exhaust system with a gas flap to change the sound dynamics of the car depending on mode, engine speed, and engine load. 
      The exterior of the AMG GLA 35 gets a different front fascia from the regular GLA 250, fitting in with the rest of the AMG lineup. 
      The GLA 250 goes on sale Summer of 2020 with the AMG following after that.
       
       
      New GLA
      Predecessor
      Diff.
      Exterior dimensions
      Length
      in
      173.6
      174.2
      -0.6
      Width
      in
      72.2
      71.0
      +1.2
      Width incl. exterior mirrors
      in
      79.5
      79.6
      -0.1
      Height
      in
      63.4
      59.3
      +4.1
      Wheelbase
      in
      107.4
      106.3
      +1.1
      Track, front
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Track, rear
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Interior dimensions*
      Max. front headroom
      in
      40.8
      40.0
      +0.8
      Headroom, rear
      in
      38.1
      38.4
      -0.3
      Legroom, front
      in
      41.1
      41.9
      -0.8
      Legroom, rear
      in
      38.4
      33.9
      +4.5
      Elbow room, front
      in
      57.3
      56.0
      +1.3
      Elbow room, rear
      in
      57.3
      55.5
      +1.8
      Shoulder room, front
      in
      55.9
      54.8
      +1.1
      Shoulder room, rear
      in
      54.8
      53.1
      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5
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