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    Whoops! Buick Canada Reveals Existence of V6 for Regal GS

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      Thanks Buick Canada!

    We know from rumors that a GS variant of the next-generation Regal is incoming. But we have been wondering what would be powering it. Would it be a turbocharged-four like in the current GS or go with a V6? Thanks to a slip-up on Buick Canada's website, we might have an answer.

    The Truth About Cars reports that a couple of days ago, this line appeared on the Regal landing page of Buick Canada’s site.

    "Engineered to make getting there all the fun, the all-new Regal’s excellent driving performance is something to be experienced with available new powertrain and AWD system (3.6L V6 on GS and Twin Clutch AWD)."

    This was removed from Buick Canada's site, but if you do a Google for this line, you'll find it. This line is still cached in Google's servers.

    Unsurprisingly, a Buick spokesperson declined to comment.

    To us, the V6 option for the GS seems possibly legit and our reasoning behind it deals with the all-new Holden Commodore. As we have reported previously, the top engine for the Commodore will be a 3.6L V6 producing 306 horsepower and 273 pound-feet of torque. We wouldn't be shocked if this is what powers the Regal GS. 

    We'll be keeping a close eye on this story.

    Source: The Truth About Cars

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    Cool on one hand but :puke: on the other. 

    The Turbo 4 is a better engine as its torque is delivered lower, the V6 while having more HP, has only a smidge more torque than the 4 banger. They really need to stop the stupid design of high revving engines to create horsepower that is useless in most driving and give the torque that scoots off the line and up to speed and holds. 

    Yea, the my engine is bigger than yours fans will still pay a premium for the V6, but I honestly do not see it as much of an improvement over the Turbo 4.

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    26 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    The Turbo 4 is a better engine as its torque is delivered lower, the V6 while having more HP, has only a smidge more torque than the 4 banger.

    Not really... the Sportback AWD and TourX will have more torque than the V6:  "Power for the Regal comes from a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder. Output is rated at 250 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque for the front-wheel drive Sportback. Opt for the Sportback AWD or TourX and torque rises to 295 pound-feet."

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    8 minutes ago, Paolino said:

    Not really... the Sportback AWD and TourX will have more torque than the V6:  "Power for the Regal comes from a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder. Output is rated at 250 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque for the front-wheel drive Sportback. Opt for the Sportback AWD or TourX and torque rises to 295 pound-feet."

    So you're saying that this V6 powered regal will have 295 lb-ft of torque if they get the V6 compared to 260 on the turbo 4. Yet we know this Turbo 4 can also be had with 295 lb-ft of torque as they do it on the ATS.

    :scratchchin: I still wonder as the ATS Turbo 4 is way more fun to drive than the V6 ATS.

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    Yes, but the turbo four bumps up to 295 lb-ft on the Regal for the Sportback and AWD, which means it's more torque than the GS 3.6L... but horsepower seems to sell even though that's not what's moving the car.

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    It probably has the v6, maybe because the new GM crossovers with the fancy AWD and the lacrosse have the 3.6 mated to that new system.

    IMO don't call it a GS unless it has a TURBO VEE SIX.

    why not the 3.0 TT?

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    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Cool on one hand but :puke: on the other. 

    The Turbo 4 is a better engine as its torque is delivered lower, the V6 while having more HP, has only a smidge more torque than the 4 banger. They really need to stop the stupid design of high revving engines to create horsepower that is useless in most driving and give the torque that scoots off the line and up to speed and holds. 

    Yea, the my engine is bigger than yours fans will still pay a premium for the V6, but I honestly do not see it as much of an improvement over the Turbo 4.

    V6 will handle abuse better.....^_^

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    You know what would really make a better GS?

    You combine the two ideas of the turbo 4 and V6 and make the GS a turbo V6...and charge a premium for it making sure the interior is worthy of the premium price tag giving Buick some needed excitement while at the same time making sure there is some room and distance between the V6 Chevy Impala and the V6 Buick Lacrosse which all have the same V6 engine and not one of the three cars (Regal, Lacrosse, Impala) really making a solid case to buy either of them between them. All three in the same showroom all get lost with each other and not one standing tall against the other to shine or offer something.....DIFFERENT from each other!

    All three will probably have the same boring 3.6 V6 producing the same 300 or so horsepower output.

    The Impala will hold the price advantage with it being the least costly option while the Lacrosse over the Regal will be the bigger option while looking  very similar.

    With a turbo version of the V6 in GS Regal form, there is a different element to that trio. And it gives Buick a much needed spicier offering in their model line-up.

    A turbo V6 GS trim for Buick should also be an option on ALL of their CUVs as well!!!

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    53 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The regal is much smaller than the lacrosse and impala. The V6 version should be just about as quick as an ATS V6

    Not that much smaller Im presuming. The Regal is closer to the Malibu's underpinnings Im assuming which is smaller than the Impala, but not considerably smaller and Im guessing and assuming that the Regal will be a tad bigger than the Malibu itself making the Regal a tad smaller than either the Impala and Lacrosse. 

    And...OK.. the V6 Regal  will as quick as an ATS V6 which is great!

    Why not make the V6 Regal a turbo and make it that much quicker than an ATS V6?

    GM/Buick wants to use the GS name, why not go full on and make a REAL GS?

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    That Buick Skylark GS above was one of the fastest original muscle car era muscle cars.   (A Skylark could be argued that it eventually became a Regal....)

    So...why does GM still insist on under delivering when they bring on historical name plates?

    For me at least, they should leave out the GS bullshyte and give a V6 Regal a different trim name...

    GS, GSX, GN, GNX should either be revived ONLY with WORTHY successors which would REALLY give Buick a boost in image or just plain forget about that past and start with NEW nomenclature!

    a REGULAR 300 horse regular corporate V6 Regal sounds boring enough, maybe Regal V6 should just as well be its trim name and cut out the BS need to re-kindle any thoughts of excitement....

    The Sportsback  Χ  naming they are doing now seems to be pointing to the future. GREAT!

    OK....on with the future and forget the past if Buick is to sully the GS name as I think a corporate V6 engine option is not worthy of the GS name...

    So... I really have 2 issues with this...

    1. A corporate V6 option is not what I think the Regal and Buick needs to spice up their line-up and image.

    2. A corporate V6 option on the Regal is not worthy of the GS name.

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    On 4/8/2017 at 6:17 AM, oldshurst442 said:

    Not that much smaller Im presuming. The Regal is closer to the Malibu's underpinnings Im assuming which is smaller than the Impala, but not considerably smaller and Im guessing and assuming that the Regal will be a tad bigger than the Malibu itself making the Regal a tad smaller than either the Impala and Lacrosse. 

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    The new Regal and Malibu have the same wheelbase, more or less the same overall length (the Malibu is about 1/2 longer). 

     

    Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar

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    But....I did research on my own too....

    What I found out was:

    Regal will be 192.8" long

    Malibu is 193.8" long

    Lacrosse is 197.5" long (car&driver website)  or 198" long (Buick.ca website)

    Impala is 201" long.

    All have 73" of width but the Lacrosse is said to be 74"

    Between the Regal and the Lacrosse, we are looking at a 4.7/5.2 inch difference depending what source is correct and visually speaking even if comparing side by side, not at all a big difference...

    So...my rant through my though processes seems to hold water without trying to semantic the hell out of  my point of view...

    Which is:

    1. too many models (3) sharing the same more or less exterior dimensions give or take, sharing the same interior specs more or less give or take and sharing the same bloody corporate V6 in the same more or less give or take price range and more or less give or take market niche...

    2. A corporate V6 option is not what I think the Regal and Buick needs to spice up their line-up and image.

    3. A corporate V6 option on the Regal is not worthy of the GS name.

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    If the Regal is 73 x 193 and the LaCrosse is 74 x 198… I don't remotely get the point of having 2 models there.

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    Lag is little of a problem.

    also the 4 will take as much or more abuse as it is built to meet the same warranty standards.

    I own 3 HF V6 and one eco turbo and all do a nice job. I would love to see both in this car.

    Some of you need to get caught up and learn the Turbo is a very viable and fun engine. 

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    IMO...this  move will render 1 out of the 3 or even 2 out of the 3 obsolete, especially when big/biggish midsized sedans are falling victim to CUV and SUV sales!

    I also said earlier that a Buick CUV with a turbo V6 with a trim called a GS could benefit Buick...

    I think they should just nix the idea of a V6 Regal GS and just go the Envision GS route! The Envision is where Buick's money will come from.

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    2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    If the Regal is 73 x 193 and the LaCrosse is 74 x 198… I don't remotely get the point of having 2 models there.

    I suspect the LaCrosse is not for long. I get the feeling they just used it to fill a gap till a new larger replacement is ready. 

    I just get the feeling they changed direction on product when the White Space was announced.

    just call it a gut feeling.

    In the interim it will fill the need for those who want a trunk.

     

    I would not get worked up on the GS as it is not really a profit center like the up level luxury package will be. 

    Option make money and big profit. Just look at Denali. Low cost to fit them out and large mark up for profits and never has to really change the engineering.

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    Well...what Hyper mentions is that the Impala rendered the Lacrosse obsolete, and in turn the Malibu has rendered the Impala obsolete and not any of those 3 sell as much as their CUV/SUV counterparts and now, GM is introducing yet another 4rth model into the mix with the corporate V6 under the hood. OK, the Malibu does not and will not have it...

    And sure turbo engines can be fun...turbo the V6 and drop it into a Buick for some pizzazz!

    It worked for Cadillac to some degree with the TTV6 XTS....

    Drop the XTS all together and give some of that excitement back to Buick!

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    Mid size cars have grown and by designing them to be 4 cylinder only like a Sonata is, you need less hood space, you get more space in the cabin.  As they stretch out these wheelbases, you get something like a Malibu that has interior space close to an Impala and thus the Impala becomes pointless, just like Azera and Taurus become pointless.

    Regal is big enough to replace the Lacrosse, large sedans are shrinking and never coming back.  I don't see the need for a V6 Regal, it won't be any faster than a turbo 4.

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    5 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    Lag is little of a problem.

    also the 4 will take as much or more abuse as it is built to meet the same warranty standards.

    I own 3 HF V6 and one eco turbo and all do a nice job. I would love to see both in this car.

    Some of you need to get caught up and learn the Turbo is a very viable and fun engine. 

    Some of us have tried many turbo 4s.  I used to be sold on the technology.... Northstar like power from a 4 cylinder sounds great on paper, but in practice it is a much less satisfying drive.   And yes, I know that the Northstar is no longer the state of the art in V8s, but they do still provide a satisfactory power delivery.

     

    Even the old/current regal could have taken the HF V6, Buick just decided not to sell it that way.  The Insignia was sold with a Turbo 2.8 V6 that has the same external engine dimensions as the current HF V6. The engineering effort from GM would have effectively been zero.

     

    By that measure, the Malibu could have a V6 also. There are no platform constraints.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Some of us have tried many turbo 4s.  I used to be sold on the technology.... Northstar like power from a 4 cylinder sounds great on paper, but in practice it is a much less satisfying drive.   And yes, I know that the Northstar is no longer the state of the art in V8s, but they do still provide a satisfactory power delivery.

     

    Even the old/current regal could have taken the HF V6, Buick just decided not to sell it that way.  The Insignia was sold with a Turbo 2.8 V6 that has the same external engine dimensions as the current HF V6. The engineering effort from GM would have effectively been zero.

     

    By that measure, the Malibu could have a V6 also. There are no platform constraints.

    Some of own these and live with them daily.

    The Turbo will run circles around the V6 Bu all day. Yes I have a 3.6 Bu and while a nice car not that much fun to drive. Also the 3.6 is the one that needs oil while the turbo uses not a drop. 

    The reality is GM needs MPG and if it is even 1 gallon per mile they will take it. 

    This is not a matter of what they could do or really want to do but more of what they have to do.

    The cruel reality is they will sell 4 to 6 time the Malibu's vs the Buick models so they have toon to work with MPG.

    Yes there is a difference in mpg as the turbo does get more mpg. It also has more torque and a flatter diesel like torque curve. 

    You don't have to like it but it is what it is.

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    13 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The regal is much smaller than the lacrosse and impala. The V6 version should be just about as quick as an ATS V6

    Wrong. Sitting inside the new lacrosse, it doesn't have much room. When all is said and done, lacrossE only has a smudge more real space. Impala is going to have the edge in space on both. 

    8 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    Lag is little of a problem.

    also the 4 will take as much or more abuse as it is built to meet the same warranty standards.

    I own 3 HF V6 and one eco turbo and all do a nice job. I would love to see both in this car.

    Some of you need to get caught up and learn the Turbo is a very viable and fun engine. 

    It'd be much better with 2 more cylinders (turbo 4 Malibu driver speaking)

    8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Mid size cars have grown and by designing them to be 4 cylinder only like a Sonata is, you need less hood space, you get more space in the cabin.  As they stretch out these wheelbases, you get something like a Malibu that has interior space close to an Impala and thus the Impala becomes pointless, just like Azera and Taurus become pointless.

    Regal is big enough to replace the Lacrosse, large sedans are shrinking and never coming back.  I don't see the need for a V6 Regal, it won't be any faster than a turbo 4.

    Gm's six pot has no torque. Never has and in the new Acadia it doesn't either (I know the Acadia is still porky)

    v6 turbo option would lend some upmarket cred to buick

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    2 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    Some of own these and live with them daily.

    The Turbo will run circles around the V6 Bu all day. Yes I have a 3.6 Bu and while a nice car not that much fun to drive. Also the 3.6 is the one that needs oil while the turbo uses not a drop. 

    The reality is GM needs MPG and if it is even 1 gallon per mile they will take it. 

    This is not a matter of what they could do or really want to do but more of what they have to do.

    The cruel reality is they will sell 4 to 6 time the Malibu's vs the Buick models so they have toon to work with MPG.

    Yes there is a difference in mpg as the turbo does get more mpg. It also has more torque and a flatter diesel like torque curve. 

    You don't have to like it but it is what it is.

    ..... Once the torque kicks in....

    Like I said. I'd rather have the lag free version.

    NO turbo has no lag... It's physically impossible.

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    2 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    Some of own these and live with them daily.

    The Turbo will run circles around the V6 Bu all day. Yes I have a 3.6 Bu and while a nice car not that much fun to drive. Also the 3.6 is the one that needs oil while the turbo uses not a drop. 

    The reality is GM needs MPG and if it is even 1 gallon per mile they will take it. 

    This is not a matter of what they could do or really want to do but more of what they have to do.

    The cruel reality is they will sell 4 to 6 time the Malibu's vs the Buick models so they have toon to work with MPG.

    Yes there is a difference in mpg as the turbo does get more mpg. It also has more torque and a flatter diesel like torque curve. 

    You don't have to like it but it is what it is.

    Hopefully the insistence of ridiculous cafe increases will get beat back for awhile. 2.0 t 4 pot is a great choice but should only be the base mill in any Buick. 

     

    Gm's done well with 4t but the advantage of a 6 is smoother engine  

     

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    They aren't going to put a twin turbo V6 in a Buick, that is saved for top end Cadillacs.  And look at what they charge for an ATS or CTS with a twin turbo V6, they are into the $70k range, a twin turbo Regal would be like $50k, no one is buying a $50k Regal because they struggle to sell $29k Regals.  

    I would guess by 2022 the 3.6 V6 is dead, it is too thirsty to keep up with CAFE.  CAFE is calling for 4-5% per year increases until 2025.  Everyone is going to continue with engine down sizing and mild hybrids to get the numbers up. 

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      The company’s incentive spending as a percentage of average transaction price was 13 percent, down close to a full percentage point year over year, according to J.D Power PIN. GM’s per-unit incentive spending was down $175 year over year, as domestic competitors increased their spending in the quarter, according to J.D. Power PIN. Average transaction prices rose $938 to a first-quarter record of $35,881, according to J.D. Power PIN. Inventory is a healthy 818,967 units heading into the second quarter, which tends to be a strong quarter for industry sales.   QUARTER 1 (CALENDAR YEAR-TO-DATE) JANUARY - MARCH   2019 2018 %Change Volume   2019 2018 %Change Volume   Cascada 746 918 -18.7   746 918 -18.7   Enclave 12,580 9,869 27.5   12,580 9,869 27.5   Encore 24,606 25,468 -3.4   24,606 25,468 -3.4   Envision 7,623 9,696 -21.4   7,623 9,696 -21.4   LaCrosse 2,902 7,066 -58.9   2,902 7,066 -58.9   Regal 3,408 3,708 -8.1   3,408 3,708 -8.1   Buick Total 51,867 56,804 -8.7   51,867 56,804 -8.7   ATS 522 3,962 -86.8   522 3,962 -86.8   CT6 2,188 2,467 -11.3   2,188 2,467 -11.3   CTS 2,428 2,442 -0.6   2,428 2,442 -0.6   Escalade 6,819 8,111 -15.9   6,819 8,111 -15.9   XT4 7,026 0 ***.*   7,026 0 ***.*   XT5 13,278 14,845 -10.6   13,278 14,845 -10.6   XTS 3,734 4,898 -23.8   3,734 4,898 -23.8   Cadillac Total 35,995 36,727 -2.0   35,995 36,727 -2.0   Blazer 3,023 0 ***.*   3,023 0 ***.*   Bolt EV 4,316 4,375 -1.3   4,316 4,375 -1.3   Camaro 12,083 11,792 2.5   12,083 11,792 2.5   Colorado 33,494 28,859 16.1   33,494 28,859 16.1   Corvette 3,943 4,457 -11.5   3,943 4,457 -11.5   Cruze 23,311 39,855 -41.5   23,311 39,855 -41.5   Equinox 88,500 82,398 7.4   88,500 82,398 7.4   Express 17,215 19,774 -12.9   17,215 19,774 -12.9   Impala 13,259 14,067 -5.7   13,259 14,067 -5.7   LCF 559 530 5.5   559 530 5.5   Malibu 34,197 34,150 0.1   34,197 34,150 0.1   Silverado 114,313 135,545 -15.7   114,313 135,545 -15.7   Sonic 4,460 5,983 -25.5   4,460 5,983 -25.5   Spark 6,423 6,945 -7.5   6,423 6,945 -7.5   Suburban 11,029 14,725 -25.1   11,029 14,725 -25.1   Tahoe 20,853 23,643 -11.8   20,853 23,643 -11.8   Traverse 34,223 38,198 -10.4   34,223 38,198 -10.4   Trax 24,580 20,482 20.0   24,580 20,482 20.0   Volt 2,520 3,478 -27.5   2,520 3,478 -27.5   Chevrolet Total 452,401 490,919 -7.8   452,401 490,919 -7.8   Acadia 31,200 29,900 4.3   31,200 29,900 4.3   Canyon 6,954 7,213 -3.6   6,954 7,213 -3.6   Savana 6,566 4,797 36.9   6,566 4,797 36.9   Sierra 40,546 41,468 -2.2   40,546 41,468 -2.2   Terrain 25,364 32,964 -23.1   25,364 32,964 -23.1   Yukon 14,947 15,002 -0.4   14,947 15,002 -0.4   GMC Total 125,577 131,344 -4.4   125,577 131,344 -4.4   GM Vehicle Total* 665,840 715,794 -7.0   665,840 715,794 -7.0                     76 selling days for the QUARTER 1 this year and 77 for same QUARTER last year.  
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