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    Dodge Challenger To Get AWD Option, Widebody Hellcat for 2017

      Challenger to get AWD and other items to look forward at Dodge

    Last year at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas, FCA introduced the Challenger GT concept that featured AWD. The premise was you could have a four-seasons muscle car. It seems this idea got enough traction that FCA is going forward with it.

    Automotive News reports that Dodge will introduce Challenger GT AWD this fall. Unlike the concept that featured a 5.7L HEMI V8, the production model will only be available with the base V6. In 2017, a widebody Challenger with the supercharged Hellcat V8 will be introduced. It will be called the Challenger ADR.

    Other interesting tidbits from Automotive News concerning Dodge,

    • The Charger and Challenger will finally be redesigned in 2018. The models will swap the LX platform for the new Giorgio platform. This will cut a fair amount of weight out of both models - 400 lbs for Charger, 500 lbs for Challenger
    • Durango will get a SRT version with a 6.4L HEMI V8 for 2017
    • A convertible known as the Barracuda will debut in 2021. It will use the Giorgio platform that will underpin the new Charger and Challenger

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

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    I dunno about the Mustang.. but technically the Camaro's platform certainly has AWD in its repertoire with currently top rated 335HP. But if the Camaro gets something with more HP.. say coupled its V8.. the ATS-V and CTS VSport best get it too. Of course there is the Camaro getting a Vert before either

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    16 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    I thought they were making a widebody AWD Hellcat.

     

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    A lot of outlets were reporting that at the time because the story Automotive News published wasn't clear on which models would get AWD. I had to wait a few hours before someone at AN reworded that part of the story. Turned out to be right decision.

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    An AWD widebody Hellcat would have been $&^ing ridiculous in the best way possible. They should do it. They could charge whatever they wanted for it. Just throw everything at- ceramic brakes, lightweight forged wheels, active suspension, high grade leather, real premium audio system, the works. Charge 80-90K for it. They'd sell every one they built.

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    They really need to get the new platform in production and up to Challenge the others in the segment in all levels. These special cars are cool but the money is made on the volume models. 

    My worry is the Alfa platform has had it's issues when it became an Alfa. I hope they let Chrysler take it and do it right. My other worry has been the rumblings that the Hemi may die and they will only be going with the TTV6. While I am sure it will be a great engine the buyers of the Hemi will be disappointed. If this happens it will be FCA failing not Chrysler's. 

    I want them to make a better car because it make GM work that much harder. A strong three car segment will drive them harder to do better than if it is only a two horse race. 

    Coupes will continue to be a difficult sale moving forward as they will continue to get more expensive. and lower volume. 

    I expect the CUV and small SUV segment to get bit by the performance bug and we will see more options here. While it will not sit well with some it will add much more income to the company's that do go this path. Give a CUV a Raptor/BMW M  like treatment and you can slap on a hefty increase in price and people will buy them. Not saying I like it but just have that feeling it is over due now and they will be moving this way in the future. Chrysler has done it with the larger SUV models now the smaller ones may see similar upgrades. 
     

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    allpar says the LX lasts until the 2021 model year, when Charger and Challenger move to the Giorgio platform. It looks more and more like the 300 will be gone after the 2020 model year. allpar also says the Cherokee will probably eventually move to the Giorgio platform, and the CUSW platform will be history. 

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    On 9/6/2016 at 9:19 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

    Sad to see the LX platform go.  I really like the Chrysler 300 in Hemi form. 

    Agreed, but let's give them a chance and see what they can do.  I really love the Camaro on its new platform...maybe we can get the same kind of love out of Fiat/Chrysler.

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    13 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Agreed, but let's give them a chance and see what they can do.  I really love the Camaro on its new platform...maybe we can get the same kind of love out of Fiat/Chrysler.

    Sorry, I just don't trust Serg at this point.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Sorry, I just don't trust Serg at this point.

    I can appreciate that.  Went in to look at a Renegade at a local dealer, asked the sales person what they were going to do if the price of fuel went back up.  Sales person basically said the current thin king is that people would buy Ram and jeep products regardless of the fuel price and that passenger cars were not necessary.  I think this thinking may kind of bite them in the end....

    On 9/9/2016 at 10:35 PM, ehaase said:

    allpar says the LX lasts until the 2021 model year, when Charger and Challenger move to the Giorgio platform. It looks more and more like the 300 will be gone after the 2020 model year. allpar also says the Cherokee will probably eventually move to the Giorgio platform, and the CUSW platform will be history. 

    The 300 is a popular car round here, wonder what they will fill its shoes with...probably nothing, sadly.

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    On 9/12/2016 at 0:59 PM, A Horse With No Name said:

    The 300 is a popular car round here, wonder what they will fill its shoes with...probably nothing, sadly.

    Possibly a large crossover on the minivan platform. 

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It's not like they have to redesign anything. The parts are already on the shelf.

    Just seems like the AWD version would be pretty short lived, at least as far as the current generation...like a final year or two send off.   Though given FCA's current situation, 2018 seems optimistic for anything new..

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    6 hours ago, ehaase said:

    Allpar seems to say the next Charger and Challenger will debut in 2021 not 2018. 

    I'm skeptical that FCA and Dodge will still exist by 2021.  I can see Jeep and Ram continuing under new ownership, though. 

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      The Shaker sets itself apart from other Challenger models with the use of a ‘Shaker’ scoop that prominently pops up from the hood. There is also a blackout treatment on several trim pieces and wheels that make it look even more imposing on the road. Along with the scoop, the Shaker package does add a new cold-air intake seated right in front of the driver’s side corner. This addition should boost the output of the 5.7L HEMI V8 (372 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque when paired with the eight-speed automatic. But FCA’s spec sheet doesn’t say anything about the Shaker Package adding more oomph or not. When you first start up the R/T Shaker, it makes presence known with a deep and loud exhaust note. I had to do a double-take the first time as I was wondering if I was given either an R/T Scat Pack or a Hellcat by mistake. While it may lack the high power numbers of the 6.4 and supercharged 6.2 V8s, the 5.7 is no slouch. 60 mph comes in at just over five seconds and power is seemingly available at any speed. My tester came with the optional Performance Handling Group that adds upgraded springs, sway bars, and a set of Bilstein shocks. This does improve the handling by a fair amount with less body roll. But it doesn’t feel nimble due to a curb weight of around 4,158 pounds. The steering has a quick response, but there is a noticeable lack of road feedback. If you want your muscle car to have some handling, consider the Camaro or Mustang. Nothing new to report on the Challenger’s interior. It still has the angled center stack, retro-inspired gauges, and easy to use UConnect infotainment system. The seats are where the Challenger loses some points as it feels like you’re sitting on top of cinderblocks. The Shaker package is surprisingly good value, adding $2,500 to the base price of the R/T which begins at $34,295. But you’ll need to be careful on the option sheet, or you’ll end up with something quite expensive. My tester came with an as-tested price of $46,555, which is $300 more than an R/T Scat Pack Widebody with the 6.4 HEMI V8.  The Dodge Challenger is getting up there in age and sadly cannot compete with the likes of the Camaro and Mustang in terms of handling. But Dodge is still able to offer a lot of performance in the form of the R/T. With a potent V8 engine, old school styling, and different packages like the Shaker to make your Challenger stand out, the R/T is possibly the best value and well-rounded model in the lineup. Disclaimer: Dodge Provided the Challenger, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2019
      Make: Dodge
      Model: Challenger
      Trim: R/T
      Engine: 5.7 HEMI VVT V8 Engine
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, Rear-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 372 @ 5,200
      Torque @ RPM: 400 @ 4,400
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 16/25/19
      Curb Weight: 4,158 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Brampton, Ontario
      Base Price: $34,295
      As Tested Price: $46,555 (Includes $1,495.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      "Shaker" Package - $2,500.00
      TorqueFlite Eight-Speed Automatic Transmission - $1,595.00
      Performance Handling Group - $1,495.00
      Driver Convenience Group - $1,295.00
      Power Sunroof - $1,295.00
      UConnect 4C Nav with 8.4-inch Display - $1,095.00
      Alpine Sound Group with Subwoofer - $995.00
      Shakedown Graphics - $495.00

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    • By William Maley
      I’ve driven my fair share of Challengers on both extremes - from the standard V6 to the high-performance SRT and Hellcat models. But I never had any time behind the wheel of the R/T with its 5.7 V8. That changed in the summer when a bright orange Charger R/T Shaker was dropped off for a week. This allowed me to ask a question that has been sitting in my head for some time: Is the R/T the best bang for your buck in the Challenger family?
      The Shaker sets itself apart from other Challenger models with the use of a ‘Shaker’ scoop that prominently pops up from the hood. There is also a blackout treatment on several trim pieces and wheels that make it look even more imposing on the road. Along with the scoop, the Shaker package does add a new cold-air intake seated right in front of the driver’s side corner. This addition should boost the output of the 5.7L HEMI V8 (372 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque when paired with the eight-speed automatic. But FCA’s spec sheet doesn’t say anything about the Shaker Package adding more oomph or not. When you first start up the R/T Shaker, it makes presence known with a deep and loud exhaust note. I had to do a double-take the first time as I was wondering if I was given either an R/T Scat Pack or a Hellcat by mistake. While it may lack the high power numbers of the 6.4 and supercharged 6.2 V8s, the 5.7 is no slouch. 60 mph comes in at just over five seconds and power is seemingly available at any speed. My tester came with the optional Performance Handling Group that adds upgraded springs, sway bars, and a set of Bilstein shocks. This does improve the handling by a fair amount with less body roll. But it doesn’t feel nimble due to a curb weight of around 4,158 pounds. The steering has a quick response, but there is a noticeable lack of road feedback. If you want your muscle car to have some handling, consider the Camaro or Mustang. Nothing new to report on the Challenger’s interior. It still has the angled center stack, retro-inspired gauges, and easy to use UConnect infotainment system. The seats are where the Challenger loses some points as it feels like you’re sitting on top of cinderblocks. The Shaker package is surprisingly good value, adding $2,500 to the base price of the R/T which begins at $34,295. But you’ll need to be careful on the option sheet, or you’ll end up with something quite expensive. My tester came with an as-tested price of $46,555, which is $300 more than an R/T Scat Pack Widebody with the 6.4 HEMI V8.  The Dodge Challenger is getting up there in age and sadly cannot compete with the likes of the Camaro and Mustang in terms of handling. But Dodge is still able to offer a lot of performance in the form of the R/T. With a potent V8 engine, old school styling, and different packages like the Shaker to make your Challenger stand out, the R/T is possibly the best value and well-rounded model in the lineup. Disclaimer: Dodge Provided the Challenger, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2019
      Make: Dodge
      Model: Challenger
      Trim: R/T
      Engine: 5.7 HEMI VVT V8 Engine
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, Rear-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 372 @ 5,200
      Torque @ RPM: 400 @ 4,400
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 16/25/19
      Curb Weight: 4,158 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Brampton, Ontario
      Base Price: $34,295
      As Tested Price: $46,555 (Includes $1,495.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      "Shaker" Package - $2,500.00
      TorqueFlite Eight-Speed Automatic Transmission - $1,595.00
      Performance Handling Group - $1,495.00
      Driver Convenience Group - $1,295.00
      Power Sunroof - $1,295.00
      UConnect 4C Nav with 8.4-inch Display - $1,095.00
      Alpine Sound Group with Subwoofer - $995.00
      Shakedown Graphics - $495.00
    • By Drew Dowdell
      FCA US LLC Sales Summary Q4 2019


       
       

      Model

      Q4 Sales

      Vol %

      CYTD Sales

      Vol %

      Curr Yr            Pr Yr           Change

      Curr Yr            Pr Yr        Change

      Compass Patriot Wrangler Gladiator Cherokee

      Grand Cherokee

      Renegade

      JEEP BRAND

      33,263               38,493                -14%

      6                      22                   -73%

      52,012               49,081                  6%

      16,663                   0                    New

      42,048               59,694                -30%

      57,929               58,255                 -1%

      19,615               21,488                 -9%

      221,536        227,033             -2%

      143,934             171,167            -16%

      27                    621               -96%

      228,032             240,032             -5%

      40,047                   0                 New

      191,397             239,437            -20%

      242,969             224,908              8%

      76,885               97,062             -21%

      923,291        973,227          -5%

      Ram P/U ProMaster Van ProMaster City

      RAM BRAND

      172,579             161,397                 7%

      15,108               15,009                  1%

      2,968                 4,301                 -31%

      190,655        180,707              6%

      633,694             536,980             18%

      56,409               46,600              21%

      12,920               13,788              -6%

      703,023        597,368         18%

      200

      300

      Town & Country

      Pacifica

      CHRYSLER BRAND

      3                      43                   -93%

      5,520                12,038                -54%

      1                      0

      27,481               26,727                  3%

      33,005           38,808             -15%

      48                   1,043             -95%

      29,213               46,593             -37%

      5                      6                -17%

      97,705              118,322            -17%

      126,971        165,964        -23%

      Dart Avenger Charger Challenger Viper Journey Caravan Durango

      DODGE  BRAND

      2                      10                   -80%

      0                      0                    100%

      25,829               20,918                 23%

      14,298               14,403                 -1%

      0                      4                   -100%

      12,290               16,863                -27%

      23,245               30,992                -25%

      14,977               16,406                 -9%

      90,641           99,596              -9%

      15                    389               -96%

      1                      4                -75%

      96,935               80,226              21%

      60,997               66,716              -9%

      5                      19               -74%

      74,686               94,096             -21%

      122,648             151,927            -19%

      67,599               65,947               3%

      422,886        459,324          -8%

      500

      500L

      500X Spider

      FIAT BRAND

      699                  1,653                 -58%

      166                   182                   -9%

      442                  1,002                 -56%

      430                   600                  -28%

      1,737             3,437              -49%

      3,267                5,370              -39%

      771                  1,413             -45%

      2,518                5,223              -52%

      2,644                3,515              -25%

      9,200            15,521         -41%

      Giulia Alfa 4C Stelvio

      ALFA ROMEO

      2,328                 2,586                 -10%

      17                     55                   -69%

      2,600                 2,999                 -13%

      4,945             5,640              -12%

      8,704                11,519             -24%

      144                   238               -39%

      9,444                12,043             -22%

      18,292           23,800         -23%

      FCA US LLC

      542,519        555,221             -2%

      2,203,663     2,235,204       -1%

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