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    Dodge Challenger To Get AWD Option, Widebody Hellcat for 2017

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      Challenger to get AWD and other items to look forward at Dodge

    Last year at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas, FCA introduced the Challenger GT concept that featured AWD. The premise was you could have a four-seasons muscle car. It seems this idea got enough traction that FCA is going forward with it.

    Automotive News reports that Dodge will introduce Challenger GT AWD this fall. Unlike the concept that featured a 5.7L HEMI V8, the production model will only be available with the base V6. In 2017, a widebody Challenger with the supercharged Hellcat V8 will be introduced. It will be called the Challenger ADR.

    Other interesting tidbits from Automotive News concerning Dodge,

    • The Charger and Challenger will finally be redesigned in 2018. The models will swap the LX platform for the new Giorgio platform. This will cut a fair amount of weight out of both models - 400 lbs for Charger, 500 lbs for Challenger
    • Durango will get a SRT version with a 6.4L HEMI V8 for 2017
    • A convertible known as the Barracuda will debut in 2021. It will use the Giorgio platform that will underpin the new Charger and Challenger

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    I dunno about the Mustang.. but technically the Camaro's platform certainly has AWD in its repertoire with currently top rated 335HP. But if the Camaro gets something with more HP.. say coupled its V8.. the ATS-V and CTS VSport best get it too. Of course there is the Camaro getting a Vert before either

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    "Unlike the concept that featured a 5.7L HEMI V8, the production model will only be available with the base V6"

    'nuff said.

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    I think all automakers need to look at offering AWD on all products. No reason to not engineer the platforms to handle this as an option.

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    A fitting farewell for the LX platform, which is long past the point of needing a replacement. A little weird that it will only be for the V6 and Hellcat but it is what it is.

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    6 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    They are making Dodges in 2017?  

    We'll see what next weeks 5yrs plan says. 

    With so many revisions, it should just be " Plan "

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    16 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    I thought they were making a widebody AWD Hellcat.

     

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    A lot of outlets were reporting that at the time because the story Automotive News published wasn't clear on which models would get AWD. I had to wait a few hours before someone at AN reworded that part of the story. Turned out to be right decision.

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    An AWD widebody Hellcat would have been $&^ing ridiculous in the best way possible. They should do it. They could charge whatever they wanted for it. Just throw everything at- ceramic brakes, lightweight forged wheels, active suspension, high grade leather, real premium audio system, the works. Charge 80-90K for it. They'd sell every one they built.

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    They really need to get the new platform in production and up to Challenge the others in the segment in all levels. These special cars are cool but the money is made on the volume models. 

    My worry is the Alfa platform has had it's issues when it became an Alfa. I hope they let Chrysler take it and do it right. My other worry has been the rumblings that the Hemi may die and they will only be going with the TTV6. While I am sure it will be a great engine the buyers of the Hemi will be disappointed. If this happens it will be FCA failing not Chrysler's. 

    I want them to make a better car because it make GM work that much harder. A strong three car segment will drive them harder to do better than if it is only a two horse race. 

    Coupes will continue to be a difficult sale moving forward as they will continue to get more expensive. and lower volume. 

    I expect the CUV and small SUV segment to get bit by the performance bug and we will see more options here. While it will not sit well with some it will add much more income to the company's that do go this path. Give a CUV a Raptor/BMW M  like treatment and you can slap on a hefty increase in price and people will buy them. Not saying I like it but just have that feeling it is over due now and they will be moving this way in the future. Chrysler has done it with the larger SUV models now the smaller ones may see similar upgrades. 
     

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    allpar says the LX lasts until the 2021 model year, when Charger and Challenger move to the Giorgio platform. It looks more and more like the 300 will be gone after the 2020 model year. allpar also says the Cherokee will probably eventually move to the Giorgio platform, and the CUSW platform will be history. 

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    On 9/6/2016 at 9:19 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

    Sad to see the LX platform go.  I really like the Chrysler 300 in Hemi form. 

    Agreed, but let's give them a chance and see what they can do.  I really love the Camaro on its new platform...maybe we can get the same kind of love out of Fiat/Chrysler.

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    13 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Agreed, but let's give them a chance and see what they can do.  I really love the Camaro on its new platform...maybe we can get the same kind of love out of Fiat/Chrysler.

    Sorry, I just don't trust Serg at this point.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Sorry, I just don't trust Serg at this point.

    I can appreciate that.  Went in to look at a Renegade at a local dealer, asked the sales person what they were going to do if the price of fuel went back up.  Sales person basically said the current thin king is that people would buy Ram and jeep products regardless of the fuel price and that passenger cars were not necessary.  I think this thinking may kind of bite them in the end....

    On 9/9/2016 at 10:35 PM, ehaase said:

    allpar says the LX lasts until the 2021 model year, when Charger and Challenger move to the Giorgio platform. It looks more and more like the 300 will be gone after the 2020 model year. allpar also says the Cherokee will probably eventually move to the Giorgio platform, and the CUSW platform will be history. 

    The 300 is a popular car round here, wonder what they will fill its shoes with...probably nothing, sadly.

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    On 9/12/2016 at 0:59 PM, A Horse With No Name said:

    The 300 is a popular car round here, wonder what they will fill its shoes with...probably nothing, sadly.

    Possibly a large crossover on the minivan platform. 

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    3 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Those timelines don't sound right..an AWD Challenger for '17 then a redesign in '18?   

    It's not like they have to redesign anything. The parts are already on the shelf.

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It's not like they have to redesign anything. The parts are already on the shelf.

    Just seems like the AWD version would be pretty short lived, at least as far as the current generation...like a final year or two send off.   Though given FCA's current situation, 2018 seems optimistic for anything new..

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    6 hours ago, ehaase said:

    Allpar seems to say the next Charger and Challenger will debut in 2021 not 2018. 

    I'm skeptical that FCA and Dodge will still exist by 2021.  I can see Jeep and Ram continuing under new ownership, though. 

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    51 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I'm skeptical that FCA and Dodge will still exist by 2021.  I can see Jeep and Ram continuing under new ownership, though. 

    I feel your pain...

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    6 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I'm skeptical that FCA and Dodge will still exist by 2021.  I can see Jeep and Ram continuing under new ownership, though. 

    ^^^^^ bing.  winner.

     

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      Autocar spoke to AMG boss Tobia Moers who said "Customers have given us the answer, and most want four-wheel drive. Back in the days when we had an AMG E-Class as rear-wheel drive and with four-wheel drive as an option, over 90% chose four-wheel drive."
      Even the AMG's flagship, the AMG GT  will move to all-wheel drive in the near future.  The current E63 AMG has an all-wheel drive system that uses clutches to send 100% of torque to whichever axle needs it, including a drift mode that will completely disengages the front axle if requested by the driver. 
    • By William Maley
      It was only eight weeks ago when Tesla finally announced that the $35,000 Model 3 would be available to order. This news caused the internet to go crazy on this news as it would become the most affordable model in Tesla's lineup. But late this week, the Californian automaker made some changes to the Model 3 ordering process to "simplify vehicle choices and make Autopilot more affordable."
      On Thursday, Tesla said in a blog post that the $35,000 Model 3 - known as the Standard Range - would not be available to order online. If you want one, then you need to either find Tesla store that is still open or call the company directly. Why is this happening?
      (Author's Note: A quick refresher; the Model 3 Standard Range gives you 220 miles, while the Standard Plus offers 240 miles. -WM)
      There is some dispute to the claim of the Standard Plus outselling the Standard. In late March, The Drive reported that a number of customers have gotten text messages from Tesla saying their deliveries have been pushed back without a new delivery date. Several have reported getting calls from Tesla trying to upsell them into the Standard Plus model.
      In Tesla's blog post, the off-menu version of the Model 3 will see its range decreased by 10 percent when compared to the Plus model, along with "several features will be disabled via software (including our onboard music streaming service, navigation with live traffic visualization, and heated seats)." Tesla also announced that Standard customers will have the option to upgrade to the Plus at any time, along with the option for Standard Plus owners to convert their model to the Standard and get a small refund "for the difference in cost." 
      As for pricing, the Standard Plus will now set you back $39,500 - up $2,000 over the previous Standard Plus. This is due to Tesla making Autopilot standard on all of their models. No pricing was given for the secret Model 3 Standard.
      “Tesla is now facing a reckoning. Between the cost cuts, waning demand for its vehicles and now making the $35,000 Model 3 much harder to buy, the company is now quietly realizing it has to play by the same rules as every other automaker,” said Jessica Caldwell, executive director of industry analysis at Edmunds.
      But wait, there's more!
      Tesla also announced that it would be offering a lease for Model 3. It is a 36-month lease with mileage options ranging from 10,000 to 15,000 miles per year. But there is a big caveat to this. Unlike most leases where you can buy the car at the end of the lease, Tesla is not allowing any Model 3 customer to buy their vehicle after the lease. The automaker is planning to use them in their upcoming ride-hailing network.
      Source: Tesla, Bloomberg (Subscription Required)
      Photo by Vlad Tchompalov on Unsplash

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